Who Supports Mass Deportation?

[icanhelp1]

Biden’s doing pretty ok with what he inherited. Dems suck at self promotion and getting the word out on accomplishments while repubs excel at negative branding the Dems. Meanwhile, trump delivered a lot of promises and lies


95% of repubs think so, surprise surprise, and independents are probably going to think negatively of any current administration

Biden inherited a V type recovery, all Biden had to do was sit in his basement and let the recovery happen.

 

[rainsol]

That would require you to understand that those here for asylum claims are not here illegally. Once they go into the asylum system, they are allowed a trial. Those are the people he wants to deport, and those are the people he can't deport.

Wanting to be in the US simply for economic reasons is not enough to warrant asylum. They must fear for their lives and most are not that positioin and the ones claiming it should be getting it from mexico because the first country rules applies and you damned well that isnt happening

 

[ll74]

Wanting to be in the US simply for economic reasons is not enough to warrant asylum.

That sounds like you want to amend asylum laws to better determine how asylum status is granted.

They must fear for their lives and most are not that positioin and the ones claiming it should be getting it from mexico because the first country rules applies and you damned well that isnt happening

What specific law says this?

There is no "first country" requirement in the law.

 

[Bn2f]

So what exactly are you driving at? Huffington Post reports:
“Former President Donald Trump went after prosecutors in his legal cases before comparing President Joe Biden’s administration to the Gestapo, the secret police force of Nazi Germany, during a private Republican National Committee donor event at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, according to audio obtained by multiple outlets on Saturday.”

What do you want me to say or admit to? You may not be old enough to remember Dan Quayle, Vice President in the George H. W. Bush administration. It was reported by the main stream media (MSM) that Quayle had said “Phoenix is the capital of California”. This played into the hands of MSM and the Democratic Party’s talking points, who gleefully describe the members of the Republican Party and their supporters as stupid, idiots, not too bright, etc. That sentiment was confirmed by Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign where she labeled Trump supporters as a basket of deplorables and echoed in this thread by you who apparently thinks every American who votes for Trump is a shitty person including me I guess. Anyway, as it turns out what Quayle actually said, “It’s not like Phoenix is the capital of California.”

I think Trump would have been more accurate in referring to the prosecutors as imitating Stalinist tactics. The former Soviet dictator is noted for saying “Give me the man and I will give you the case against him.” As we are entering the fourth week of the ‘hush money’ trial, all of the testimony given by the prosecution so far has failed to identity a crime that Trump has supposedly committed.

Incidentally since you wondered, I do have two daughters. The older one retired from the Navy last year after 21 years service and is now in law school. The younger one is still in the Navy as a certified registered nurse anesthetist (CRNA), stationed in San Diego. She is currently pregnant and due in early June and that baby will be our fourth grandchild. In October, she will be deployed to Japan. And yes my two daughters do despise Trump and his perceived attitude towards women. However, I don’t believe they think of me as a shitty person; more like they believe I’m misguided in my political views.

Also incidentally, because of my daughters’ naval experience, one of the novels I’ve submitted in Literotica is titled simply “Navy Nurse” containing 27 chapters. Thus, the technical details concerning serving in the Navy are authentic and accurate. The graphic sex scenes in the novel spring from my imagination. You might like to look into it and find it entertaining.

Sigh.
I’m taking deep breaths here although you’ve been trying my patience. You seem as if you’re an intelligent person and I want to give you some measure of respect but you continue to deflect from what you well know I’m getting at. I asked of you ONE DAMN THING. You came here clutching your pearls complaining that comparing trump to Hitler offended your senses. I could’ve easily given numerous examples of why many here feel that’s a valid sentiment, but history shows that in doing so allows for trump supporters to pontificate down side alleyways even more.

IF comparing trump to hitler is so offensive to make you come here to complain and essentially ask for an apology then you must be offended as well that trump did the exact same thing to Biden pretty much to the day of your initial post. Explain, please, what appears to be a hypocrisy.


‘Gestapo Administration’: Trump Likens Biden White House To Nazis In Wild Attack

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trum...ration-nazi-attack_n_663701c8e4b001bbb50fc79a

 

[Rightguide]

Welcome to the political board, n00b.

Your assertion is utter horseshit.

Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler were both aspiring politicians who desired to rule as authoritarians at the beginning of their respective careers.

The main difference is Hitler was a tad better at concealing his intentions a bit better.

Trump and Mussolini is probably a more apt comparison, Mussolini was a nationally famous newspaper editor famous for his overheated rhetoric. Trump was a nationally famous game show host famous for his overheated rhetoric (see: Kenyan Birth Certificate).

We're way past the point of civil discussion insofar as Trump is concerned. The 2024 election lines are the most clearly drawn lines you'll see in your lifetime.

You either support Team Red White and Blue Democracy and vote for Joe Biden
Or
You support Team Orange Fascism and vote for Donald J. Trump

Choose wisely.

How red white and blue is that foreign army that's being allowed to come over the border by a President compromised by the CCP?

 

[MajorRewrite]

How red white and blue is that foreign army that's being allowed to come over the border by a President compromised by the CCP?

Your delusional paranoia is always funny.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Biden inherited a V type recovery, all Biden had to do was sit in his basement and let the recovery happen.

Aren't you the guy who claimed Presidents don't inherit economies, they shape them....? Might take me a while to dig up the post...*chuckles* but I'll find it....

 

[Bodington]

Sigh.
I’m taking deep breaths here although you’ve been trying my patience. You seem as if you’re an intelligent person and I want to give you some measure of respect but you continue to deflect from what you well know I’m getting at. I asked of you ONE DAMN THING. You came here clutching your pearls complaining that comparing trump to Hitler offended your senses. I could’ve easily given numerous examples of why many here feel that’s a valid sentiment, but history shows that in doing so allows for trump supporters to pontificate down side alleyways even more.

IF comparing trump to hitler is so offensive to make you come here to complain and essentially ask for an apology then you must be offended as well that trump did the exact same thing to Biden pretty much to the day of your initial post. Explain, please, what appears to be a hypocrisy.


‘Gestapo Administration’: Trump Likens Biden White House To Nazis In Wild Attack

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trum...ration-nazi-attack_n_663701c8e4b001bbb50fc79a

All right I wave the white flag. I’ll admit I’m not really offended by the ubiquitous comparisons of Trump to Hitler. I equate it as a hyperbole of gargantuan proportions; simply an ad hominem attack on Trump’s personality. It has the added advantage that no real persuasive argument needs to be made to support the contention; just uttering it is sufficient. Your posting #53 is a case in point. First of all, one can never assume the quotes attributed to Trump are accurate. That is why I inserted the Dan Quayle anecdote. But even conceding that the Huffington Post article is accurate I fail to see how one can infer that Trump is like Hitler. Suggesting that Trump in comparing the Biden administration and the New York prosecutors to the Gestapo, the secret police force of Nazi Germany seems to be an equivalent hyperbole. My only reaction is that you and your ilk do not mind if Democrats hurl these kinds of insults at Trump but when he retaliates why then he’s the devil incarnate with horns no doubt.

Actually, what I’m truly annoyed about is the mantra that the Biden campaign, the Democrat party along with their sycophant lackeys, the MSM utter daily that the election of Donald Trump means that democracy as we know it will come to an end. That to my mind is the application of Goebbels big lie theory, a Nazi propaganda technique that survives to this day. Parodying the theory; Tell a lie, the bigger the better, tell it often enough and the lie becomes the truth and the truth becomes the lie. You probably believe that despite the nature of the checks and balance inherent in our constitution, the United States will lose its democratic form of government if indeed Trump were to be elected. Another big lie is that Jan 6 was an attempted insurrection. The events of that day came nowhere close to becoming a serious attempt to overthrow the US government.

The only event that ever came close to an insurrection of any jurisdiction in North America was the FLQ crisis in Canada occurring in 1970. I was a single young adult then living in Canada and so I remember this crisis vividly. The FLQ (the Front de libération du Québec) was a terrorist organization that advocated the separation of the province of Québec from the rest of Canada and used violence in furtherance of their cause; blowing up mailboxes was their specialty. This terrorist group kidnapped the provincial Labour Minister Pierre Laporte and British diplomat James Cross from his Montreal residence. They murdered the former and held the latter as hostage in negotiating resolutions of their demands. The Prime Minister at the time was Pierre Trudeau, the father of Justin Trudeau, the current Prime Minister of Canada. He invoked the War Measures Act placing Canada under martial law. He declared the FLQ to be an outlaw organization and every member was subject to arrest and held in jail for thirty days before they were allowed a court appearance. Apparently almost 500 persons were detained including a popular female French Canadian singer whose record I possessed.

The crisis was resolved when the FLQ leaders released Cross in exchange for being exiled from Canada and transported to Cuba. Some of them ended up living in Algeria. It seems like Canada has since become much more liberal, though, and had since allowed the exiles to return to Canada and serving minimal jail time; apparently Cuba and Algeria were not to the liking of these exiles. There is in Canada a political party whose goal is to separate. The leader of that party in 2020, being the 50th anniversary of the crisis petitioned Justin Trudeau that Canada officially issue an apology for the invocation of the War Measures Act, but I guess that didn’t go anywhere.

Sorry for that last digression, I trust it wasn’t too boring.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

All right I wave the white flag. I’ll admit I’m not really offended by the ubiquitous comparisons of Trump to Hitler. I equate it as a hyperbole of gargantuan proportions; simply an ad hominem attack on Trump’s personality. It has the added advantage that no real persuasive argument needs to be made to support the contention; just uttering it is sufficient. Your posting #53 is a case in point. First of all, one can never assume the quotes attributed to Trump are accurate. That is why I inserted the Dan Quayle anecdote. But even conceding that the Huffington Post article is accurate I fail to see how one can infer that Trump is like Hitler. Suggesting that Trump in comparing the Biden administration and the New York prosecutors to the Gestapo, the secret police force of Nazi Germany seems to be an equivalent hyperbole. My only reaction is that you and your ilk do not mind if Democrats hurl these kinds of insults at Trump but when he retaliates why then he’s the devil incarnate with horns no doubt.

Actually, what I’m truly annoyed about is the mantra that the Biden campaign, the Democrat party along with their sycophant lackeys, the MSM utter daily that the election of Donald Trump means that democracy as we know it will come to an end. That to my mind is the application of Goebbels big lie theory, a Nazi propaganda technique that survives to this day. Parodying the theory; Tell a lie, the bigger the better, tell it often enough and the lie becomes the truth and the truth becomes the lie. You probably believe that despite the nature of the checks and balance inherent in our constitution, the United States will lose its democratic form of government if indeed Trump were to be elected. Another big lie is that Jan 6 was an attempted insurrection. The events of that day came nowhere close to becoming a serious attempt to overthrow the US government.

The only event that ever came close to an insurrection of any jurisdiction in North America was the FLQ crisis in Canada occurring in 1970. I was a single young adult then living in Canada and so I remember this crisis vividly. The FLQ (the Front de libération du Québec) was a terrorist organization that advocated the separation of the province of Québec from the rest of Canada and used violence in furtherance of their cause; blowing up mailboxes was their specialty. This terrorist group kidnapped the provincial Labour Minister Pierre Laporte and British diplomat James Cross from his Montreal residence. They murdered the former and held the latter as hostage in negotiating resolutions of their demands. The Prime Minister at the time was Pierre Trudeau, the father of Justin Trudeau, the current Prime Minister of Canada. He invoked the War Measures Act placing Canada under martial law. He declared the FLQ to be an outlaw organization and every member was subject to arrest and held in jail for thirty days before they were allowed a court appearance. Apparently almost 500 persons were detained including a popular female French Canadian singer whose record I possessed.

The crisis was resolved when the FLQ leaders released Cross in exchange for being exiled from Canada and transported to Cuba. Some of them ended up living in Algeria. It seems like Canada has since become much more liberal, though, and had since allowed the exiles to return to Canada and serving minimal jail time; apparently Cuba and Algeria were not to the liking of these exiles. There is in Canada a political party whose goal is to separate. The leader of that party in 2020, being the 50th anniversary of the crisis petitioned Justin Trudeau that Canada officially issue an apology for the invocation of the War Measures Act, but I guess that didn’t go anywhere.

Sorry for that last digression, I trust it wasn’t too boring.

In January 2021, Trump supporters staged an insurrection to stop the official count of the 2020 Presidential election in the House of Representatives. As part of this scheme to illegally install Trump in office, fake electors were put forward to take the place of the real electors who were committed to vote for Joe Biden.

The crisis was resolved when the Capitol police protected Congress long enough for the National Guard to arrive and secure the Capitol. Congress reconvened and certified Joe Biden as the legal President a little after 3am.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The president has broad powers re. immigration. He can declare ANY class of people persona non grata, deny them entry and expel those already here.

No he doesn't. He can make broad "executive orders", like Trump prohibiting anyone OF ASIAN DESCENT from visiting the USA during the initial outbreak of Covid (Asians, of course, are "dirtier" than European (white) folks), but these flights of vitriolic fancy are usually struck down by the courts.

 

[Bn2f]

All right I wave the white flag. I’ll admit I’m not really offended by the ubiquitous comparisons of Trump to Hitler. I equate it as a hyperbole of gargantuan proportions; simply an ad hominem attack on Trump’s personality. It has the added advantage that no real persuasive argument needs to be made to support the contention; just uttering it is sufficient. Your posting #53 is a case in point. First of all, one can never assume the quotes attributed to Trump are accurate. That is why I inserted the Dan Quayle anecdote. But even conceding that the Huffington Post article is accurate I fail to see how one can infer that Trump is like Hitler. Suggesting that Trump in comparing the Biden administration and the New York prosecutors to the Gestapo, the secret police force of Nazi Germany seems to be an equivalent hyperbole. My only reaction is that you and your ilk do not mind if Democrats hurl these kinds of insults at Trump but when he retaliates why then he’s the devil incarnate with horns no doubt.

Actually, what I’m truly annoyed about is the mantra that the Biden campaign, the Democrat party along with their sycophant lackeys, the MSM utter daily that the election of Donald Trump means that democracy as we know it will come to an end. That to my mind is the application of Goebbels big lie theory, a Nazi propaganda technique that survives to this day. Parodying the theory; Tell a lie, the bigger the better, tell it often enough and the lie becomes the truth and the truth becomes the lie. You probably believe that despite the nature of the checks and balance inherent in our constitution, the United States will lose its democratic form of government if indeed Trump were to be elected. Another big lie is that Jan 6 was an attempted insurrection. The events of that day came nowhere close to becoming a serious attempt to overthrow the US government.

The only event that ever came close to an insurrection of any jurisdiction in North America was the FLQ crisis in Canada occurring in 1970. I was a single young adult then living in Canada and so I remember this crisis vividly. The FLQ (the Front de libération du Québec) was a terrorist organization that advocated the separation of the province of Québec from the rest of Canada and used violence in furtherance of their cause; blowing up mailboxes was their specialty. This terrorist group kidnapped the provincial Labour Minister Pierre Laporte and British diplomat James Cross from his Montreal residence. They murdered the former and held the latter as hostage in negotiating resolutions of their demands. The Prime Minister at the time was Pierre Trudeau, the father of Justin Trudeau, the current Prime Minister of Canada. He invoked the War Measures Act placing Canada under martial law. He declared the FLQ to be an outlaw organization and every member was subject to arrest and held in jail for thirty days before they were allowed a court appearance. Apparently almost 500 persons were detained including a popular female French Canadian singer whose record I possessed.

The crisis was resolved when the FLQ leaders released Cross in exchange for being exiled from Canada and transported to Cuba. Some of them ended up living in Algeria. It seems like Canada has since become much more liberal, though, and had since allowed the exiles to return to Canada and serving minimal jail time; apparently Cuba and Algeria were not to the liking of these exiles. There is in Canada a political party whose goal is to separate. The leader of that party in 2020, being the 50th anniversary of the crisis petitioned Justin Trudeau that Canada officially issue an apology for the invocation of the War Measures Act, but I guess that didn’t go anywhere.

Sorry for that last digression, I trust it wasn’t too boring.

A kind and sincere thank you.

This is one of the very, very, very few instances a trump supporter has given a mea culpa here and I can only hope that this serves as a measure of what integrity looks like to others on the right. I won’t beat you over the head or do any sort of gloating dance. But, I have to say, dear sir, why?
You’re obviously a person who wants his words respected and is very proud of the family that you have raised. You, as a person and a conservative republican, IMO deserve better than Donald trump as your candidate for president. The man has always been a liar. You acknowledge so by admitting he did not ‘lock her up’ in addition to the 30k other ones he amassed in his 4 years in office. It is not MSM Nazi hyperbole that he claimed equivalency to the antisemitism displayed in Charlottesville. Nor is it in dispute him inviting Nick Fuentes to his home for dinner. No politician has ever entertained the anti democratic act of inviting his supporters to attack his critics. He has taken over the RNC with his continued embrace of nepotism. He may not, to your belief, have gotten rid of the free press, but him granting interviews only to friendly sources, not holding press briefings, and calling opposing media ‘fake’ is just as devastating to the Fourth Estate. The use of the word vermin in describing of a people, if it had been spoken in today’s Germany, would have subjected that person to arrest for disseminating Nazi hate speech.

But don’t listen to me.

Maybe, next time you’re around your family, sit down and ask them to explain themselves calmly their opposition to trump. I ask that you try to earnestly listen. I hope they point out the numerous instances of his disrespect to their service and the sacrifices of other military members. Despite your previous desire to re-litigate the E Jean Carroll case, trump has lost that appeal. I say again, you and I both as Americans deserve better than having a person found to have sexually assaulted a woman representing our country in the highest office.

Finally, I love history, but I’m ignorant sometimes of the events in other countries. You did not bore me with your recounting of the FLQ in Canada. I do invite you to read the trump team’s collaboration with the Heritage Foundation and their desire in Project 2025 to reshape government in addition to weaponizing the DOJ. I think you will find the comparisons chilling.

 

[Bn2f]

Biden inherited a V type recovery, all Biden had to do was sit in his basement and let the recovery happen.

So glad you decided to save face and deleted that reply post to BSG.

 

[icanhelp1]

In January 2021, Trump supporters staged an insurrection to stop the official count of the 2020 Presidential election in the House of Representatives. As part of this scheme to illegally install Trump in office, fake electors were put forward to take the place of the real electors who were committed to vote for Joe Biden.

The crisis was resolved when the Capitol police protected Congress long enough for the National Guard to arrive and secure the Capitol. Congress reconvened and certified Joe Biden as the legal President a little after 3am.

They weren't fake electors they were a second set of electors.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6351905797112

 

[ll74]

They weren't fake electors they are a second set of electors.

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Incorrect. The fake electors provided a fake certificate to Mike Pence. Only two alternate set of electors (New Mexico and Pennsylvania) provided a certificate which indicated they would only be valid if a challenge by Congress was successful for that state.

 

[Sean Renaud]

They weren't fake electors they were a second set of electors.

Were they intending to vote the same as the first set? Was there something physically preventing the first set from fulfilling their duties?

 

[Bn2f]

They weren't fake electors they were a second set of electors.

Ooops. Nope. There it is again cleaned up and somewhat more concise.
Now any other person would be laughed at for doing this display of semantic jiu-jitsu, but you and I both know you’re just dumb.

Psssst: I’d advise you to delete this. Again.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

They weren't fake electors they were a second set of electors.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6351905797112

What part of Levin's 13-minute rant did you think was germane to your point?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

All right I wave the white flag.

Sorry for that last digression, I trust it wasn’t too boring.

AS a Canadian who also lived through the FLQ "crisis" and lived through Jan 6th. There is no comparison. The FLQ never stormed Parliament Hill, nor the National Assembly. They kidnapped and murdered. PET said "just watch me" and we did. Why the fuck didn't Trump say "just watch me" on Jan 6th??? No he sat and watched it live, until he was prodded by his cadre, blew four takes on a prepared statement, until finally they had to go with the best of the takes because Trump had enough and left back to the Executive Residence.

You're a Deplorable, at least have the ball to live up to it.

 

[HisArpy]

In January 2021, Trump supporters staged an insurrection to stop the official count of the 2020 Presidential election in the House of Representatives. As part of this scheme to illegally install Trump in office, fake electors were put forward to take the place of the real electors who were committed to vote for Joe Biden.

The crisis was resolved when the Capitol police protected Congress long enough for the National Guard to arrive and secure the Capitol. Congress reconvened and certified Joe Biden as the legal President a little after 3am.

Opinion, not fact.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Opinion, not fact.

Yes, and some of those supporters are now in jail because it was opinion....

 

[HisArpy]

Yes, and some of those supporters are now in jail because it was opinion....

You mean all 3 of them?

Worst attendance for an insurrection I've ever heard of.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You mean all 3 of them?

Worst attendance for an insurrection I've ever heard of.

More like 476 to date, but who's counting? Obviously not you.

 

[MajorRewrite]

In January 2021, Trump supporters staged an insurrection to stop the official count of the 2020 Presidential election in the House of Representatives. As part of this scheme to illegally install Trump in office, fake electors were put forward to take the place of the real electors who were committed to vote for Joe Biden.

The crisis was resolved when the Capitol police protected Congress long enough for the National Guard to arrive and secure the Capitol. Congress reconvened and certified Joe Biden as the legal President a little after 3am.

You left out the construction of a gallows and the “hang Mike Pence” chant.

Threatening the life of the Vice President is just another thing the loons pretend to forget.

 

[MajorRewrite]

You mean all 3 of them?

Worst attendance for an insurrection I've ever heard of.

More than 1,200 people have been charged with federal crimes relating to the attack. As of December 2023, 728 defendants had pleaded guilty, while another 166 defendants were convicted at trial; a total of 745 defendants have been sentenced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

 

[Rightguide]

Actually you're full of shit. A proposal was made to base immigration based on merit, very much like Australia's law. That proposal has nothing to do with race or any other superficial en-dice. But in your blind hatred of Trump you are advocating that just anyone should be allowed in this nation regardless of motive or history. If that is the case I advocate that YOU be forced to house, feed, and pay for their medical care. In a very real sense you are anyway so we might as well make it personal. I'm sure you can cleverly find a way to bilk the other taxpayers out of their hard earned money to your own profit, the various NGO's are, it's a Godsend to them. YOU seem to be willing to make any sacrifice as long as someone else is paying for it.

In a perfect world all nations and the citizens therein would be equal. Borders would become nothing more than administrative districts, no different than the US. But that's not reality, not even close.

So what do you want? Open borders or not?

We need to find out who is running those NGOs and prosecute them as well. They are all operating in absolute violation of existing federal law.