Why Do Liberals Defend Islam?

[ChloeTzang]

So you do things that give you more violent tendencies?

Oh, I wouldn't say I have any more violent tendencies as a result. I'm a bit in you face at the best of times. Try growing up part-asian when you're the only one in sight (except for my brothers) in a sea of white. And I'm not exactly your little Hello Kitty. I gave it as good as I got it right from pre-school, so I am led to understand. My ancestry and upbringing does not pre-dispose me to pacifism and meekly turning the other cheek. More likely to the low blow when you're not looking.

Actually, they're very good stress relievers, especially the Tae Kwon Do. All those endorphin's from the aggressive sparring. And part of the training is avoiding violent situations and backing away from conflict. More relevant to guys really, but I enjoy it. You should try it, really. Lot of fun.

 

[handysr]

Christians have Sundays set aside from schools so that they can pray. Saturdays are likewise non-school days to accommodate Jews.

Have you heard of labor unions? About a century ago they were popular and relevant, and at the time, the US was mainly a Christian nation. *Part* of the reason for a 40-hour work week was for the workers to spend time with their families, pursue a religion, relax, and take care of work around the house. Just because a trend started for 'reason x' doesn't mean it holds the same basis a century later.

Unless you are saying you'd rather work twelve hours a day, seven days a week, with no benefits, simply to protest what you call a Christian observance.

Do try to pay attention.

Don't let your abject hate of any religion get you down just because someone believes in an invisible being that you don't, while doing their best to be kind to others. Feel free to resist the ones who are truly active in torturing, enslaving, and murdering those who don't believe the same way.

 

[srgreene]

For the same reason they support Buddism and Taoism in their fullest extent, Ramone--because being a liberal means not being narrow-minded, mean-spirited, and hate- and ignorance-controlled as you are being.

In what way was Romone being " mean-spirited, and hate- and ignorance-controlled"? As you habitually do, by making scurrilous charges without a scintilla of justification for your claims, you reveal yourself to be a mean-spirited ignoramus. Have a look in mirror, someday, sir;.

Following a sermon I heard this morning in which the congregation was urged not to shrink from identifying evil, you sir, are a quintessentially repulsive individual with nothing to contribute to informed discourse. Romone did indeed pose a serious question worthy of a level of insight that is beyond your ken.

 

[phrodeau]

Have you heard of labor unions? About a century ago they were popular and relevant, and at the time, the US was mainly a Christian nation. *Part* of the reason for a 40-hour work week was for the workers to spend time with their families, pursue a religion, relax, and take care of work around the house. Just because a trend started for 'reason x' doesn't mean it holds the same basis a century later.

Unless you are saying you'd rather work twelve hours a day, seven days a week, with no benefits, simply to protest what you call a Christian observance.

Do try to pay attention.

Don't let your abject hate of any religion get you down just because someone believes in an invisible being that you don't, while doing their best to be kind to others. Feel free to resist the ones who are truly active in torturing, enslaving, and murdering those who don't believe the same way.

What does a 40-hour work week have to do with religious observances? (I don't adhere to either one, and sometimes work 65 hours a week.)

And how do you know that Christians won't someday soon start torturing, enslaving and murdering people in the name of Yahweh, like they did only a few hundred years ago?

 

[sr71plt]

In what way was Romone being " mean-spirited, and hate- and ignorance-controlled"? As you habitually do, by making scurrilous charges without a scintilla of justification for your claims, you reveal yourself to be a mean-spirited ignoramus. Have a look in mirror, someday, sir;.

Following a sermon I heard this morning in which the congregation was urged not to shrink from identifying evil, you sir, are a quintessentially repulsive individual with nothing to contribute to informed discourse. Romone did indeed pose a serious question worthy of a level of insight that is beyond your ken.

You certainly reveal yourself and your hate-filled life.

I'm happy to have helped you foam at the mouth and call forth your rotten inner demons impotently on a porn discussion board.

 

[srgreene]

I don't understand. They stand against everything liberals stand for. Anti-gay, Anti-woman, Pro-life, etc. A substatial part of the religion has become radicalized and committed the greatest atrocities in history. I really don't hear the same criticism of Islam as I do of Christianity, and I wonder how liberals rationalize this. I was also wondering abou a hypothetical issue. I know that Muslims are required to pray multiple times during the day. I think it is part of their faith and culture. As Muslim communities grow, what if they ask for prayer time accommodations at school. That would seem to be a reasonable request, but we have had a policy against school prayer. Would liberals say that denying Muslims the right to pray represents religious and cultural discrimination?

Ramone, you have indeed put your finger on some important conundrums of our day. I will give the best immediate, brief response that I can, but first I would like to re-frame your inquiry. First, I would not want to sully the honorable term "liberal" with much of what you identify it with- I would prefer the word "left", which is not at all liberal in the historical sense of the word.

Second, I would not say that "a substantial part of the religion has become radicalized." The left frequently claims that ISIS type atrocities "have nothing to do with Islam, even though those who commit the horrible acts they do frequently cite the Koran and the hadiths when they do so. I think there is rather strong evidence that ISIS types do indeed reflect the underpinnings of Islam. For example, the poobahs at Al Ahzhar University in Cairo, the "keepers" of Sunni Islamic doctrine, declined to criticize ISIS atrocities when challenged to do so. Not that they encourage their faithful to behave as ISIS does, but they cannot criticize ISIS on Islamic theological grounds. They may have practical or aesthetic aversion to ISIS or Al Qaeda, but they cannot come out against them as a matter of doctrine without risking running athwart of the entire Islamic ideology and tradition. ISIS behaves in a manner very similar to the the way the "prophet" Mohammad did (tell me, w hat did he prophesy?). Islam was conceived as a "religion" of the sword, and has never ceased to be one.

In answer to your question, though, I think the Left has come to an accord with Islam because the Left detests their own civilization, so they share the contempt that Islam has for other traditions. Rather short-sightedly (as a number of gay people in the West are beginning to realize) they forge an alliance of sorts against what they perceive as a common enemy: Western culture.

I hope you will continue to ask the questions you have, and I'd be interested in what answers you might come up with. But as you can see from some of the responses you have gotten here, if you go down that path, you can expect to be dragged into the mud, so to speak.

Far better, and more knowledgeable, reflections than I can offer are routinely posted on a variety of web sites. I will mention two of my favorites:

www.jamieglazov.com
www.elderofziyon.com

 

[srgreene]

You certainly reveal yourself and your hate-filled life.

Nope- not hate filled. I simply refuse to kowtow to your miserable, ignorant rants. As our visiting pastor said today, one should not shrink from identifying evel.

Have a nice day.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Nope- not hate filled. I simply refuse to kowtow to your miserable, ignorant rants. As our visiting pastor said today, one should not shrink from identifying evel.

Have a nice day.

When you go to church, do you see really hot women you'd love to just bend over and pull their dresses up? I always did. There was always those hot milfs who wore the modest dress but we all knew she was a complete freak in the bedroom.

 

[sr71plt]

Nope- not hate filled. I simply refuse to kowtow to your miserable, ignorant rants. As our visiting pastor said today, one should not shrink from identifying evel.

Have a nice day.

Umm, OK, I don't care whose rants you kowtow to. Having read your posts at one time (not recently, of course, as I think you are one of the crazies), I'm not surprised that you're a Trumpette.

 

[handysr]

What does a 40-hour work week have to do with religious observances? (I don't adhere to either one, and sometimes work 65 hours a week.)

And how do you know that Christians won't someday soon start torturing, enslaving and murdering people in the name of Yahweh, like they did only a few hundred years ago?

I think you spend too much time at work. You should take a weekend off and say it's for religious reasons.

And yeah, the odds of a Christian "jihad" style bullshit like this are astronomical. Dream on dipshit.

 

[phrodeau]

I think you spend too much time at work. You should take a weekend off and say it's for religious reasons.

And yeah, the odds of a Christian "jihad" style bullshit like this are astronomical. Dream on dipshit.

You're probably right. Social changes take decades and centuries to happen.

 

[handysr]

You're probably right. Social changes take decades and centuries to happen.

The funny thing about islam is that it hasn't changed much in about 1500 years. They have firearms, cell phones, explosives, and vehicles, it other than that its SSDD.

Sad really

 

[about_average]

Why a room? They can just do what everyone else does.

What does "everyone else" do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgy_of_the_Hours
Matins (during the night, at midnight with some); also called Vigils or Nocturns or, in monastic usage, the Night Office
Lauds or Dawn Prayer (at Dawn, or 3 a.m.)
Prime or Early Morning Prayer (First Hour = approximately 6 a.m.)
Terce or Mid-Morning Prayer (Third Hour = approximately 9 a.m.)
Sext or Midday Prayer (Sixth Hour = approximately 12 noon)
None or Mid-Afternoon Prayer (Ninth Hour = approximately 3 p.m.)
Vespers or Evening Prayer ("at the lighting of the lamps", generally at 6 p.m.)
Compline or Night Prayer (before retiring, generally at 9 p.m.)

Well, there're only maybe 3 of those that fall during school hours and even then there's this

Celebration of the Liturgy of the Hours is an obligation undertaken by priests and deacons intending to become priests

I doubt there are many priests and deacons attending K-12 schools. Maybe in Utah since Morman's can be deacons at quite an early age if I remember correctly.

In what way was Romone being " mean-spirited, and hate- and ignorance-controlled"?

Yeah, he pretty much was.
Ignorant because "liberals" only defend Islam only in the sense that there are so many out there who defend Christianity against imaginary attacks. Not many liberals I've talked to over the years defend any religion at the expense of another.
The premise that "liberals defend Islam" is mean spirited because it's meant as an attack on liberals because "everyone knows" Islam is evil.

Then there's this amazingly ignorant statement "we have had a policy against school prayer".
There's not a single school in the US where prayer is prohibited.

So yeah, the OP is ignorant.

 

[ishtat]

Without disagreeing with you, that should be informed consent. I can't imagine any woman agreeing to be governed by the decisions of a Sharia Court in any matter involving a man, especially a husband or member of his or even her family.

I can. Women have had property rights under Sharia law for more than 1300 years and they are applied pretty strictly in the case of divorce for example.

 

[ishtat]

Following a sermon I heard this morning in which the congregation was urged not to shrink from identifying evil, you sir, are a quintessentially repulsive individual with nothing to contribute to informed discourse.

Haven't seen any of your posts before. Please keep posting, I haven't read such a wonderfully pompous ass in ages.

 

[Chris_Michael]

I can. Women have had property rights under Sharia law for more than 1300 years and they are applied pretty strictly in the case of divorce for example.

Oh yeah, that really makes up for all the other shit that happens. Hey, let's impliment Sharia Law in America right now and see how many women love their rights to own property.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why a room? They can just do what everyone else does.

No, they need special new rooms because (D) contractors need money.

I can. Women have had property rights under Sharia law for more than 1300 years and they are applied pretty strictly in the case of divorce for example.

LOL and they are pretty far from equal, so much so it would totally beyond unconstitutional even if you ignored the fact that it's religious law.

If people want Sharia law they need to fuck off to Iraq or Syria.

 

[phrodeau]

What does "everyone else" do?

Well, there're only maybe 3 of those that fall during school hours and even then there's thisI doubt there are many priests and deacons attending K-12 schools. Maybe in Utah since Morman's can be deacons at quite an early age if I remember correctly.


Yeah, he pretty much was.
Ignorant because "liberals" only defend Islam only in the sense that there are so many out there who defend Christianity against imaginary attacks. Not many liberals I've talked to over the years defend any religion at the expense of another.
The premise that "liberals defend Islam" is mean spirited because it's meant as an attack on liberals because "everyone knows" Islam is evil.

Then there's this amazingly ignorant statement "we have had a policy against school prayer".
There's not a single school in the US where prayer is prohibited.

So yeah, the OP is ignorant.

There's only two Islam prayer times that fall during school hours.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I attempted to correct them on the Jewish thing, but it didnt take. It was the weirdest thing, I was gone one day in the 8th grade to go to the dentist and somebody said that it was a Jewish holiday so they connected me being gone with the holiday and just decided not to believe me. Even stranger than that is when I went off to college one day I was sitting outside a counselor's office, and there was this guy and girl there as well. The guy was telling the girl about his experiences as a Jewish person in the Bible Belt. Then he turned to me and said "But you know how that feels." I replied that I wasnt Jewish and he got a shocked look and said "Oh! Sorry.

Yeesh. People are weird.

Oh, I wouldn't say I have any more violent tendencies as a result. I'm a bit in you face at the best of times. Try growing up part-asian when you're the only one in sight (except for my brothers) in a sea of white. And I'm not exactly your little Hello Kitty. I gave it as good as I got it right from pre-school, so I am led to understand. My ancestry and upbringing does not pre-dispose me to pacifism and meekly turning the other cheek. More likely to the low blow when you're not looking.

Actually, they're very good stress relievers, especially the Tae Kwon Do. All those endorphin's from the aggressive sparring. And part of the training is avoiding violent situations and backing away from conflict. More relevant to guys really, but I enjoy it. You should try it, really. Lot of fun.

Is this some of that "genetic propensity towards violence" stuff you subscribe to perking up, or...?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Is this some of that "genetic propensity towards violence" stuff you subscribe to perking up, or...?

Nope, that's socialization in my case. I was brought up to look after myself. The " tough shit, don't be a crybaby" school of granddad(s).

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Nope, that's socialization in my case. I was brought up to look after myself. The " tough shit, don't be a crybaby" school of granddad(s).

That's how it was for me too. The whole "Don't go 'startin fights but don't back down from one neither." thing.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Nope, that's socialization in my case. I was brought up to look after myself. The " tough shit, don't be a crybaby" school of granddad(s).

That's how it was for me too. The whole "Don't go 'startin fights but don't back down from one neither." thing.

This is good, but it's also good to know how to recognize the fights you can win. And even when you do win, some people don't take losing as a learning experience, either.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

This is good, but it's also good to know how to recognize the fights you can win. And even when you do win, some people don't take losing as a learning experience, either.

Well people who don't take losing as a learning experience are just stupid. Besides, you can make most people back down first by successfully convincing them that you're crazy.

 

[nowisthetime]

It's not so much defending Islam, it's more of pointing out the hypocrisy of rightwing Christians and their bigotry.

Right wingers believe ALL Muslims are malevolent creatures out to get them and force their religion upon their 'pure' population. This accords with their natural paranoia of every one who is different from them.

They live in their sheltered, tiny bubbles and have not been exposed to different types of people beyond what they have read on Breitbart 'news'.


Every thing is black and white with right wingers. Right wingers do not possess the critical thinking skills to come to the conclusion that indeed there are some followers in EVERY RELIGION who twist the words of their holy books to quench their own sociopathic thirst, not just in Islam.


Right wing Christians continue to harp about Islam, YET ignore or SUPPORT some of their very own American lawmakers who wish to force their twisted version of fundamentalism on their own citizens such as limiting birth control for women, outlawing sexual education, and encouraging homophobia.

Wear your religion in YOUR HEART and not on your sleeves.

 

[sr71plt]

It's not so much defending Islam, it's more of pointing out the hypocrisy of rightwing Christians and their bigotry.

Right wingers believe ALL Muslims are malevolent creatures out to get them and force their religion upon their 'pure' population. This accords with their natural paranoia of every one who is different from them.

Bingo. There are posters here who are that shallow and who are afraid of anyone who isn't exactly like them--narrow-minded bigots.