Why do you hate Obama?

[Ramp1311]

To Badbabysitter....

"so for the fourth time.. and maybe this will stick in your skull this time.... the fetus reaches a state at between 19- 22 weeks where it has full organ functionality and can survive outside the host in theory.. that's when.... and there is no hard set and fast rule.. each case has to be diagnosed on its own"


Youngest child born was about 23-24 weeks old, and a decade ago, that child would not have survived. The way medical science is going, one day a 10 week old child might be able to survive. You ignore the basic science by trying to input your personal views or when you get cornered.

But let us take your statement, "that the fetus reaches a state at between 19- 22 weeks where it has full organ functionality and can survive outside the host in theory."

So you know that at 19-22 weeks the fetus can be considered a baby..... and yet you still support abortion........ by going to a doctor and having a quantitative blood test (or the beta hCG test) measures the exact amount of hCG in your blood. So it can find even tiny amounts of hCG. This makes it very accurate. So if a female thinks she is pregnant, she can go and find out in the first 6 weeks.

You, by your own words, have proven my point. It is you that does not understand (or you want to ignore) the advancements in medical science.

A responsible person should do everything in their power to prevent an unwanted pregnancy (and the drug stores have them, even a day after pill). If an abortion is needed, then it should be performed in the first 2 months. This is not 50 years ago, but evidently you think it is.....

Which leads me back into big government. If big government does not protect and defend the weakest and most vulnerable among us, then it will have no problem allowing injury to, or enslaving, the population......

 

[BotanyBoy]

This is not 50 years ago, but evidently you think it is.....

Look here is the thing with BBS.....if women can't have an instantaneous miracle abortion with zero down time/discomfort/expense/inconvenience of any kind? Then #victimofuterus!! MISOGYNY!!! #endEnslavementofWomenbythePATRIARCHY!!!

And that tune is NEVER under any conditions going to change so give up now, talking abortion with her is like talking to a brick fuckin' wall of feminist crazybricks.

Which leads me back into big government. If big government does not protect and defend the weakest and most vulnerable among us, then it will have no problem allowing injury to, or enslaving, the population......

If big government wants to enslave the people (already has in a number of ways) it will and there wont be a fucking thing any of us are going to do about it.

Abortions or not....they already don't give 1 flying fuck about you, me or anyone with less than 9 digits in their bank account.

Now if you want to argue against abortion cool but take the tin foil hat off......we need at least a 10% increase on federal income taxes across the board for Orphanages. If the RW is willing to accept that they might get somewhere with the anti abortion campaign as it's a realistic alternative unlike their "Slash taxes! Personal responsibility combined with the awesome power of willful ignorance solves all issues I don't feel like dealing with!!" proposals.

 

[Ramp1311]

Now if you want to argue against abortion cool but take the tin foil hat off......we need at least a 10% increase on federal income taxes across the board for Orphanages. If the RW is willing to accept that they might get somewhere with the anti abortion campaign as it's a realistic alternative unlike their "Slash taxes! Personal responsibility combined with the awesome power of willful ignorance solves all issues I don't feel like dealing with!!" proposals.[/QUOTE]


I was born in New Orleans and partially raise in an orphanage. You have a good point about them, and I doubt it would take any tax increase to fund them. I was in one run by Volunteers of America, and most of them are run by donations.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I was born in New Orleans and partially raise in an orphanage. I was in one run by Volunteers of America, and most of them are run by donations.

Oh yea I bet that was special

You have a good point about them, and I doubt it would take any tax increase to fund them.

Now THAT is just RW delusional bull fucking shit, kinda like you all funded 2 war fronts on the other side of the planet by cutting taxes....that worked out great!! LMFAO

 

[badbabysitter]

Youngest child born was about 23-24 weeks old, and a decade ago, that child would not have survived.

But was a fully developed human being.. that is science...and a decade ago they could have survived easily... unless you live in a nation that has third world shithole conditions for medical care for average folk.. like the United States

The way medical science is going, one day a 10 week old child might be able to survive.

There is absolutely nothing to even remotely support this ridiculous claim.. the 10 week old fetus doesnt even have most of its organs, let alone have them fully functional

You ignore the basic science by trying to input your personal views or when you get cornered.

No, I'm using science.. you're using antecdotes and dreams about the future

But let us take your statement, "that the fetus reaches a state at between 19- 22 weeks where it has full organ functionality and can survive outside the host in theory."

So you know that at 19-22 weeks the fetus can be considered a baby.....

Yes, I've stated that multiple times, I'm glad it finally registered in that thick skull of yours

and yet you still support abortion........

yes, because before 19 - 22 weeks it is not a person..

by going to a doctor and having a quantitative blood test (or the beta hCG test) measures the exact amount of hCG in your blood. So it can find even tiny amounts of hCG. This makes it very accurate. So if a female thinks she is pregnant, she can go and find out in the first 6 weeks.

at 6 weeks it's still not a person.. scinece will even tell you that.. so get an abortion if you like

You, by your own words, have proven my point. It is you that does not understand (or you want to ignore) the advancements in medical science.

how? it proves you are still trying to spin that a 6 week old fetus or something that hasnt developde into a person is suddenly magically a person.. because.. reasons?

and what advancements in science.. oh yeah, the fictional ones you keep talking about.. that sill dont exist

A responsible person should do everything in their power to prevent an unwanted pregnancy (and the drug stores have them, even a day after pill). If an abortion is needed, then it should be performed in the first 2 months. This is not 50 years ago, but evidently you think it is.....

dumbass... that is exactly what I've been saying ... 2 months is not 19 to 22 weeks, neither is three.. hell it could be pushed to 4 or 5.... and if its under 19-22 weeks ( and ona case by case basis) then its still not a person..... just fucking deal with it.. and therefore should be allowed to be aborted

and my science is based on what is known now and what can be done now... untill that magic day in the future when a 10 week old without functioning organs can survive outside the womb unaided due to magic science... it still stands

Which leads me back into big government. If big government does not protect and defend the weakest and most vulnerable among us, then it will have no problem allowing injury to, or enslaving, the population......

if a government tells a person what they can or can't do something to something intheir body that isnt a human being...then it will have no problem telling everyone what to do with any part of their body

big government is only good when it comes to telling women what to do right?

 

[badbabysitter]

Look here is the thing with BBS.....if women can't have an instantaneous miracle abortion with zero down time/discomfort/expense/inconvenience of any kind? Then #victimofuterus!! MISOGYNY!!! #endEnslavementofWomenbythePATRIARCHY!!!

and that's the thing about BotanyBoy... if a woman needs lega consent from anyone other then herself to get an abortion, has to cross state lines to get an abortion. has to sit through factually incorrect claims about abortion in "informed consent" sessions, needs permission by their partner or parents to have an abortion, that even when they're finally allowed to have an abortion have to wait 3 to 5 days after their scheduled abortion to actually get the abortion, or if they can get abortion but can't find a hospital that is allowed to perfomr an abortion due to coproate polices of the company, or have to go through protestors to get the abortion who may stalk you to your home or kill your doctor....well then its ABORTION ON DEMAND!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE ANY SURGICAL PROCEDURE!!! IT'S ON DEMAND!!!!! MMMMUUURRRIIICAAAHHH!#womenwantingsurgeryarewhoreswhojust likemycar!!!!!!!!!!

And that tune is NEVER under any conditions going to change so give up now, talking abortion with her is like talking to a brick fuckin' wall of feminist crazybricks.

And that tune is never underany conditions going to change so give up now, because his understanding of women begins and ends with the infamous Cash For Vaginas Act

 

[Sean Renaud]

He signed the Freedom Act on Tuesday.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I don't hate Obama. I just don't agree with some of his policies. However, I disagree with him less than I used to, which is an interesting development.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Oh, for the love of the Gods, people, is it really our place to judge a situation that isn't in our hands? Do we really know when the fetus is sentient, or whether or not it is a person or when it is, during the pregnancy? We know that up to a certain point it can't be, and after that point, it only might be. In which case, best to give the mother the benefit of the doubt regarding something in her own body, right?

 

[kimber22]

cant say much about what has been said here before, haven't read all the stuff.

All I can say is - from a European perspective - that social insurance for all members of a society is absolute basics for everyone in all European countries.

So, frankly, no one here can can really understand why some guys in US might be against social insurance for the poor...

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

cant say much about what has been said here before, haven't read all the stuff.

All I can say is - from a European perspective - that social insurance for all members of a society is absolute basics for everyone in all European countries.

So, frankly, no one here can can really understand why some guys in US might be against social insurance for the poor...

In any sane society, a living wage and a necessary social safety net helps preserve the working poor from complete destitution and protect the middle class. Trouble is a message that keeps being tossed around in our culture that treats those who use assistance as lazy parasites rather than people who just need a little help getting back on their feet. People also don't know what our government is actually doing with our tax money. Media is busy distracting folks with social issues that our clergy has pushed and thundered from the pulpits. I swear, American culture is great in many ways, but the fundamentalists are a definite blight on it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

and that's the thing about BotanyBoy... if a woman needs lega consent from anyone other then herself to get an abortion, has to cross state lines to get an abortion.

Let's just start here since you seem to be stuck in the 50's....

Name the state that forces women to cross state lines to get a legal abortion.....

.....just one....


Or one that requires legal consent from a 3rd party.....

Right....you're full of bat shit crazy from the get go, sort your facts out and get back to me.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If you're a minor there are states where consent is needed. And when you have states where more than 90% of counties don't have an abortion clinic you may not legally have to cross state lines but it's a difference without distinction. It's like telling a person in Nevada they don't have to cross state lines to have a Disneyland Adventure.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If you're a minor there are states where consent is needed.

She said woman, not child. That interacts and becomes a whole different ball of legal shit in most states. But with a long time precedence that kids are for all intents and purposes property of their parents in every other aspect of the law unless specifically decreed by a judge I don't see how parental consent laws are really all that out of line.

Point being minors are not the same legally or medically and women do not need any 3rd party consent anywhere in the US as far as I know. If you do I'd gladly be corrected and join in the /rage against it because that's buuushit.

Gotta tell the rents ya fucked up before you volunteer yourself for a medical operation? Shitty but it's not exactly the sweeping prohibition forcing all women into back ally abortion butcher houses at the hands of the evil patriarchy BBS likes to make it out to be.

And when you have states where more than 90% of counties don't have an abortion clinic you may not legally have to cross state lines but it's a difference without distinction.

Live closer to your medical care, pay the nice doc a fortune to come over and do it at your house or make the fucking drive. I hate to destroy BBS's world but that's about as good as it god damn gets.

But there isn't a SINGLE state in the whole union you have to cross state lines to obtain a legal abortion....not ONE. You can even get one in crazy ass Kansas.

She's a hysterical whackadoodle on the issue and frequently either makes up shit or thinks she's back in the 60's.

It's like telling a person in Nevada they don't have to cross state lines to have a Disneyland Adventure.

No it's like telling a person if you want to have speedy convenient medical care within your state lines don't move 200 miles out into the fucking sticks and 120 miles closer to another states resources like a fucking retard.

If not crossing state lines to visit Disneyland is that fucking important move the fuck to SoCal. That comparison doesn't even really work as there isn't a Disneyland in every state. Every state has a doc that can do abortions...even BFE uber Republican Alaska.

Point is every woman in America has access to legal abortion services in their state and BBS is full of hysterical femrage bullshit.

 

[phrodeau]

She said woman, not child. That interacts and becomes a whole different ball of legal shit in most states. But with a long time precedence that kids are for all intents and purposes property of their parents in every other aspect of the law unless specifically decreed by a judge I don't see how parental consent laws are really all that out of line.

Point being minors are not the same legally or medically and women do not need any 3rd party consent anywhere in the US as far as I know. If you do I'd gladly be corrected and join in the /rage against it because that's buuushit.

Gotta tell the rents ya fucked up before you volunteer yourself for a medical operation? Shitty but it's not exactly the sweeping prohibition forcing all women into back ally abortion butcher houses at the hands of the evil patriarchy BBS likes to make it out to be.



Live closer to your medical care, pay the nice doc a fortune to come over and do it at your house or make the fucking drive. I hate to destroy BBS's world but that's about as good as it god damn gets.

But there isn't a SINGLE state in the whole union you have to cross state lines to obtain a legal abortion....not ONE. You can even get one in crazy ass Kansas.

She's a hysterical whackadoodle on the issue and frequently either makes up shit or thinks she's back in the 60's.



No it's like telling a person if you want to have speedy convenient medical care within your state lines don't move 200 miles out into the fucking sticks and 120 miles closer to another states resources like a fucking retard.

If not crossing state lines to visit Disneyland is that fucking important move the fuck to SoCal. That comparison doesn't even really work as there isn't a Disneyland in every state. Every state has a doc that can do abortions...even BFE uber Republican Alaska.

Point is every woman in America has access to legal abortion services in their state and BBS is full of hysterical femrage bullshit.

Rapid City in South Dakota is not exactly the sticks. The metro area is home to 140,000 people.

They are all 350 miles away from the only abortion clinic in South Dakota, at Sioux Falls. The nearest abortion clinic is in Billings MT, 320 miles away.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Rapid City in South Dakota is not exactly the sticks. The metro area is home to 140,000 people.

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They are all 350 miles away from the only abortion clinic in South Dakota, at Sioux Falls.

But they can get one in SD, like I said they could.

The nearest abortion clinic is in Billings MT, 320 miles away.

Sux for the women of Rapid City, maybe they should vote to have one built closer, get the fuck in the car and go the fuck to Sioux Falls or FIRE THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS. OR they can get together and build one for their community if their community wants one....but they don't they like it that way in SD. If they don't they can fuckin' leave any time they want.

But congrats on finding an example of a legit inconvenience in one of the least populated and most RW areas of the country, still don't have to cross state lines to get a legal abortion. It's legal in EVERY SINGLE STATE...may not be 'want fries with that?' convenient, but you can get one.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Having to drive over 300 miles is simply unnaceptable. Even if you don't have to cross state lines. (It wouldn't shock me in the least to find out that for at least some of these locations crossing state lines might not be necessary but it's quicker to drive 50 miles out of state than 300 miles in state. But that's just a guess at the moment.

 

[MrBates2]

Having to drive over 300 miles is simply unnaceptable. Even if you don't have to cross state lines. (It wouldn't shock me in the least to find out that for at least some of these locations crossing state lines might not be necessary but it's quicker to drive 50 miles out of state than 300 miles in state. But that's just a guess at the moment.

You forgot the other )

 

[BotanyBoy]

Having to drive over 300 miles is simply unnaceptable.

To you....Mr.LosFontana.

But not to the people of South Dakota. Remember your county alone has almost 3 times the population of their whole fucking state and is an order of magnitudes more liberal.

These people chose to live in ultra republican BFE who the fuck is anyone outside of SD to tell them otherwise? God damn you already imposed your liberal hippie bullshit on them as it is....how fucking far down are you going to micromanage these fucking hicks? How important is abortion convenience in tea party South Dakota, population L oh L, to you REALLY?

Even if you don't have to cross state lines. (It wouldn't shock me in the least to find out that for at least some of these locations crossing state lines might not be necessary but it's quicker to drive 50 miles out of state than 300 miles in state. But that's just a guess at the moment.

Oh I'm sure there are some, esp out in big country where a pissant town = metro area and there simply isn't a tax base that can support extra bullshit like abortion clinics.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Rapid City in South Dakota is not exactly the sticks. The metro area is home to 140,000 people.

They are all 350 miles away from the only abortion clinic in South Dakota, at Sioux Falls. The nearest abortion clinic is in Billings MT, 320 miles away.

There are clinics in Rapid City. http://www.yellowpages.com/rapid-city-sd/abortion-clinics

 

[BotanyBoy]

There are clinics in Rapid City. http://www.yellowpages.com/rapid-city-sd/abortion-clinics

Boom....even the Repoh hicks in SD have a local clinic.

I wonder if BBS is ever going to show up and point out which state prohibits women from having an abortion.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

oh Nancy Pelosi just bitch slap the cunt obama!

that is awesome.

 

[phrodeau]

There are clinics in Rapid City. http://www.yellowpages.com/rapid-city-sd/abortion-clinics

Your link lists zero results that are actually near Rapid City. Try again.

 

[Sean Renaud]

oh Nancy Pelosi just bitch slap the cunt obama!

that is awesome.

Wait. . .you didn't side with the Republicans on free trade and against the Union "thugs" robbing America? I mean I know your an idiot. I know you have no standards but i honestly expected you to have the integrity to stand with the Republicans even if they did support Obama just this one time. But no, as we've said plenty of times over the years and you basically just proved it beyond any doubt your hatred of Obama isn't about who he is or what he does. It's about what he is.

 

[kimber22]

and this is the stuff about the Obama Administration? Distances and state-borders to find a doctor to conduct an abortion? We have almost the same problem here in Europe - but hardly anyone would drop a note about that. Really, you must be some lucky folks, if that's all you don't like about your government...