Why do you hate Obama?

[LincolnDuncan]

Look what they’ve done to my thread, ma
Look what they’ve done to my thread, ma
Well they took my words and mixed up so now they sound all wrong ma
Look what they’ve done to my thread.

 

[Ramp1311]

OK Badbabysitter

I understand why you support abortion, and you have told me that birth is your marking point. So if say a fetus is 8 months old, if still inside the womb, it is ok to abort, even though they could survive outside if allowed, because they are just a bunch of cells...... ok I got it......

We have a very different view about life..... like I pointed out medical science allows younger and younger fetus a chance to survive, at some point we will have to make a decision based on that. It is not a political point with me, it is a moral one.......


But what I will agree with is more sex education. The schools give students access to birth control, at the middle school and up in Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, and Tennessee (the so called Bible Belt), and I know this for a fact. Sex education is taught at the 6th grade level (again I know this for a fact.) The only thing really not taught is how to correctly use the birth control.

The CDC has stats that show abortions are on a decline in the States and has been for some time, which is good.

While I do not like abortions (for birth control- since if you use other forms birth controls correctly, there should be no need for all of the abortions) I do understand the need to sometimes have an abortion.

I have 9 girl cousins, and a sister. I told them I would help them find other forms of birth control (buying it) but that if they ever got themselves into trouble, I would take them to the clinic without their (or my parents knowledge.) I even offered their friends the same deal. Even though I know they were active, not a one had to take me up on my offer for the clinic. Interesting don't you think....

oh in case you want to say "well they went and just did not tell you, several of them are married now, and I have asked them several times if they (or another one) ever did go without me. 10 females, and their friends all say they never did....

 

[The_Trouvere]

REALLY? IQ testing is at best in it's infancy and kinda subjective...but do tell which race has the highest IQ...meow don't forget to show/cite your research that doesn't exist except for on the KKK's home page or some study done by a car wash manager (prob a neoNazi) on 15 people back in 1961..... GOOD LUCK!

IQ testing was introduced in the beginning of the twentieth century. It was first used by the U.S. military during World War I to see which recruits could be trained in complex skills and which could not be. Since then the U.S. military has been dedicated to intelligence testing. Although there are different ways to test mental aptitude, each method results in basically the same results.

In The Bell Curve Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein demonstrated that a child's IQ test at the age of seven is a better predictor of adult earning than the income of the child's parents.

In February 1969 the Harvard Educational Review, ran an article by Berkeley Professor Archur Jensen, entitled, "How Much Can We Boost IQ and Scholastic Achievement?"

He argued that little can be done to boost IQ and scholastic achievement. Since then little has been done, despite considerable effort, and much money spent.

 

[The_Trouvere]

No Child Left Behind: What standardized test scores reveal about its legacy

No Child Left Behind left most black children behind because they lacked the native intelligence to keep up.

Proof?

Yea I didn't think so....more wild bullshit claims with nothing to back them up.

The Washington Post March 10, 2015

No Child Left Behind (NCLB) was signed into law in 2002, the latest version of the long-standing Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA). Its provisions, such as testing grades 3-8 annually in reading and math and punitive sanctions, took effect over the next several years...

Here are key findings, comparing the rate of progress pre- and post NCLB for NAEP and recent trends on SAT and ACT tests:

The rate of progress on NAEP at grades 4 and 8 was generally faster in the decade before NCLB took effect than since. That is a consistent trend both overall and for individual demographic groups, including blacks, English Language Learners (ELLs) and students with disabilities.

Score gaps in 2012 were no narrower and often wider than they were in 1998 and 1990.

The slowdown in math was pronounced, especially at grade 4.

In many cases, the rate of gain slowed even more after 2007.

Score gains slowed after NCLB for English language learners, while score gaps increased between ELLs and non-ELLs.

In three of four grades/tests, scores for students with disabilities flattened or declined, while gaps with whites remained unchanged or widened.

Scores for high school students have stagnated. NAEP scores were highest for blacks, and gaps the narrowest, in 1988. Hispanic scores and gaps have stagnated since NCLB.

SAT scores declined from 2006 to 2014 for all demographic groups except Asians.

ACT scores have been flat since 2010 for all demographic groups.
PISA scores have declined from 2002 to 2013.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...dardized-test-scores-reveal-about-its-legacy/

 

[badbabysitter]

I understand why you support abortion, and you have told me that birth is your marking point. So if say a fetus is 8 months old, if still inside the womb, it is ok to abort, even though they could survive outside if allowed, because they are just a bunch of cells...... ok I got it......

We have a very different view about life..... like I pointed out medical science allows younger and younger fetus a chance to survive, at some point we will have to make a decision based on that. It is not a political point with me, it is a moral one.......


But what I will agree with is more sex education. The schools give students access to birth control, at the middle school and up in Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, and Tennessee (the so called Bible Belt), and I know this for a fact. Sex education is taught at the 6th grade level (again I know this for a fact.) The only thing really not taught is how to correctly use the birth control.

The CDC has stats that show abortions are on a decline in the States and has been for some time, which is good.

While I do not like abortions (for birth control- since if you use other forms birth controls correctly, there should be no need for all of the abortions) I do understand the need to sometimes have an abortion.

I have 9 girl cousins, and a sister. I told them I would help them find other forms of birth control (buying it) but that if they ever got themselves into trouble, I would take them to the clinic without their (or my parents knowledge.) I even offered their friends the same deal. Even though I know they were active, not a one had to take me up on my offer for the clinic. Interesting don't you think....

oh in case you want to say "well they went and just did not tell you, several of them are married now, and I have asked them several times if they (or another one) ever did go without me. 10 females, and their friends all say they never did....

8 monts is not 19-22 weeks where the fetus is fully developed.. it is a developed human being.... do so me math and tell me how many weeks are in 8 months...I've already told you the legalities of when a fetus can be aborted... stop ignoring them


your idea of science differs form mine in the sense that you think something at 6 weeks is the same as a human being... because you have nt clarified when a person becomes a person./...by your own standard of science...cancer is a form of life....should we opposed to cancer because it is alive?

and congrats on your unrelated completely unverifiable personal antecdotes

 

[badbabysitter]

please stop it with the Bell Curve... the authors wont let their book be peer reviewed

they're frauds.. and they babble nothing but debunked pseudo science

 

[The_Trouvere]

please stop it with the Bell Curve... the authors wont let their book be peer reviewed

they're frauds.. and they babble nothing but debunked pseudo science

The problem with peer reviewing books that argue what The Bell Curve argues is that the consensus has been coerced.

Nevertheless, the basic assertions of The Bell Curve have been confirmed by the failure of No Child Left Behind.

The following chart provided by the U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2013) demonstrates that No Child Left Behind has done nothing to close the race gap between blacks and whites.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

The following information on ACT scores in 2003 reveals a corresponding race gap.

http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm

If that is not enough for you, get a job as a substitute teacher in an inner city school. You will soon learn that the illegitimate children of unmarried welfare mothers and their fly by night lovers (many of whom have felony convictions) cannot be educated.

 

[BotanyBoy]

IQ testing was introduced in the beginning of the twentieth century. It was first used by the U.S. military during World War I to see which recruits could be trained in complex skills and which could not be. Since then the U.S. military has been dedicated to intelligence testing. Although there are different ways to test mental aptitude, each method results in basically the same results.

In The Bell Curve Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein demonstrated that a child's IQ test at the age of seven is a better predictor of adult earning than the income of the child's parents.

In February 1969 the Harvard Educational Review, ran an article by Berkeley Professor Archur Jensen, entitled, "How Much Can We Boost IQ and Scholastic Achievement?"

He argued that little can be done to boost IQ and scholastic achievement. Since then little has been done, despite considerable effort, and much money spent.

Yea...pretty new and filled with controversial bullshit. I know.

In three of four grades/tests, scores for students with disabilities flattened or declined, while gaps with whites remained unchanged or widened.

That's not proof of genetically inferior intelligence LOL......

Is your hood/robes ironed up and pretty for tonight's Klan meeting???

SAT scores declined from 2006 to 2014 for all demographic groups except Asians.

ACT scores have been flat since 2010 for all demographic groups.
PISA scores have declined from 2002 to 2013.

OH look proof Asians are clearly the genetically superior race!! LMFAO

Trouvere, there is no scientific evidence for any of the racial genetic inferiority/superiority structuring bullshit you push......you're just racist as fuck.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

IQ Testing ... kind of funny as you are still poor

IQ testing was introduced in the beginning of the twentieth century. It was first used by the U.S. military during World War I to see which recruits could be trained in complex skills and which could not be. Since then the U.S. military has been dedicated to intelligence testing. Although there are different ways to test mental aptitude, each method results in basically the same results.

In The Bell Curve Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein demonstrated that a child's IQ test at the age of seven is a better predictor of adult earning than the income of the child's parents.

In February 1969 the Harvard Educational Review, ran an article by Berkeley Professor Archur Jensen, entitled, "How Much Can We Boost IQ and Scholastic Achievement?"

He argued that little can be done to boost IQ and scholastic achievement. Since then little has been done, despite considerable effort, and much money spent.

 

[The_Trouvere]

OH look proof Asians are clearly the genetically superior race!! LMFAO

Trouvere, there is no scientific evidence for any of the racial genetic inferiority/superiority structuring bullshit you push......you're just racist as fuck.

I readily acknowledge that Orientals are more intelligent on the average than white Gentiles (of whom I am one) and that Ashkenazi Jews are on the average more intelligent than Orientals.

What you call my racism is my willingness to acknowledge that some races on the average conform more readily than other races to the demands of modern civilization.

Everywhere Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese move they perform and behave well, even when they are poor. Everywhere Negroes go they create what are appropriately called "asphalt jungles."

 

[The_Trouvere]

That's not proof of genetically inferior intelligence LOL......

If persistent differences in test scores and academic performance do not demonstrate that some races are more intelligent than others, what would? What evidence would you accept?

During the civil right movement one could argue that racial discrimination was the reason for high rates of black crime and illegitimacy, and low average Negro intelligence. Two generations after the civil right legislation was passed and since vast sums of money has been spent on anti poverty programs that argument is harder to maintain.

 

[The_Trouvere]

IQ Testing ... kind of funny as you are still poor

I have taken low paying jobs when I needed to. I have also worked as a newspaper reporter and a computer programmer.

What have you ever done for a living? How much education do you have?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I readily acknowledge that Orientals are more intelligent on the average than white Gentiles (of whom I am one) and that Ashkenazi Jews are on the average more intelligent than Orientals.

1) Oriental is a decor/furniture style...not a race of people.

2) Not they aren't...they just have hard ass parents that make them study and work like fuckin' slaves to be doctors and lawyers. They aren't allowed to do ANYTHING but school and school related/supported shit. They aren't more intelligent....

What you call my racism is my willingness to acknowledge that some races on the average conform more readily than other races to the demands of modern civilization.

No...it's just racism. Modern civilization and it's demands are relative to the individual and their culture.

Everywhere Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese move they perform and behave well, even when they are poor. Everywhere Negroes go they create what are appropriately called "asphalt jungles."

You apparently have not traveled very much....get out more. BTW there are more poor performing Chinese than there are Americans. That doesn't even touch on the other types of Asian culture/nationalities.

If persistent differences in test scores and academic performance do not demonstrate that some races are more intelligent than others, what would? What evidence would you accept?

Academic performance and test scores are not all their is to intelligence.....do you not understand that?

What is considered "intelligence" is a semi vague/subjective term.......

During the civil right movement one could argue that racial discrimination was the reason for high rates of black crime and illegitimacy, and low average Negro intelligence. Two generations after the civil right legislation was passed and since vast sums of money has been spent on anti poverty programs that argument is harder to maintain.

It's not harder to maintain.....you can't undo 200 years of some of the harsher institutionalized oppression in history in 40.....it just doesn't work like that. That's going to take SEVERAL generations to work out at a minimum. I still have habits my great grand parents taught me because they grew up starving during the great depression. And that was just an economic rough patch....

Your problem is you take the slightest bit of suggestive data, the furthest thing from empirical evidence or the most basic statistics you can find to support your racism then you weave wild tails and make shit up about how one race is superior to the other......like a racist does.

I mean you still insist on using racial slurs against Asian folks.....what are you stuck in 1820??

 

[Ramp1311]

Badbabysitter

8 monts is not 19-22 weeks where the fetus is fully developed.. it is a developed human being.... do so me math and tell me how many weeks are in 8 months...I've already told you the legalities of when a fetus can be aborted... stop ignoring them


your idea of science differs form mine in the sense that you think something at 6 weeks is the same as a human being... because you have nt clarified when a person becomes a person./...by your own standard of science...cancer is a form of life....should we opposed to cancer because it is alive?

and congrats on your unrelated completely unverifiable personal antecdotes

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I never said that something at 6 weeks was human. However you have said (or implied) that an abortion can be done anytime before birth, so 8 months fits. OK, were do you draw the line between a clump of cells that can be aborted, and a fetus that can not be aborted?

Right now, at the 24th week the fetus (baby) could be viable (according to medical science), so I would say that could be the marking point (for now- as medical science advances, it could be earlier, possibly as early as 10 weeks.)

When the law(s) for abortions was written, many pre-term babies died. Medical science has advanced along way since then. Many people are making abortion political, instead of following the science. It is about life....... if you want to prevent it, use birth control available at any drug store (or school nurse)

By the way, are you comparing a baby to cancer? Really? So until a baby is born, it is just tissue in your eyes......

 

[badbabysitter]

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I never said that something at 6 weeks was human. However you have said (or implied) that an abortion can be done anytime before birth, so 8 months fits. OK, were do you draw the line between a clump of cells that can be aborted, and a fetus that can not be aborted?

I never once implied that.. you read something into what I said when I was very clear about it.. in fact I said as much on three seperate occasions

so for the fourth time.. and maybe this will stick in your skull this time.... the fetus reaches a state at between 19- 22 weeks where it has full organ functionality and can survive outside the host in theory.. that's when.... and there is no hard set and fast rule.. each case has to be diagnosed on its own

so... before full growth = not a person

after full growth = person

Right now, at the 24th week the fetus (baby) could be viable (according to medical science), so I would say that could be the marking point (for now- as medical science advances, it could be earlier, possibly as early as 10 weeks.)

which I already said.. and no, in absolutely zero cases could a fetus survive outside the womb at 10 weeks..unless teleported into some space age technology... because the science simply does not exist

When the law(s) for abortions was written, many pre-term babies died.

And they still do...

Medical science has advanced along way since then.

Not to the point of 10 week olds survivng

Many people are making abortion political, instead of following the science. It is about life....... if you want to prevent it, use birth control available at any drug store (or school nurse)

which I agree with, no argument.... but as I can see, you dont actually know the science

By the way, are you comparing a baby to cancer? Really? So until a baby is born, it is just tissue in your eyes......

yes, because it at the begining is a clump of cells... and I never said till born... you're giving me that position and then criticizing me for having the opinion you gave me

 

[badbabysitter]

The problem with peer reviewing books that argue what The Bell Curve argues is that the consensus has been coerced.

not submitting something for review isn't coercion..it's called the authors knowing they wrote a book that was a turd sandwich that they know wouldnt stand serious scrutiny

Nevertheless, the basic assertions of The Bell Curve have been confirmed by the failure of No Child Left Behind.

Yet, in other countries with large minority populations where education programs have not failed......or does the magic genetics only affect the US

The following chart provided by the U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2013) demonstrates that No Child Left Behind has done nothing to close the race gap between blacks and whites.

see above

The following information on ACT scores in 2003 reveals a corresponding race gap.

http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm

once again, only the US

If that is not enough for you, get a job as a substitute teacher in an inner city school.

I work in the inner city, in an agency that places, manages, houses, trains and help educates people struggling with economic burdens, criminal records, etcetera

in short... I do the very thing you're try to lecture me about so as to scare me about " those people"

and guess what.. the vast majority of my clients are white.. and I live in a city where " white" makes up less then 50% of the population

You will soon learn that the illegitimate children

no such thing as illegtimate children, grampa

of unmarried welfare mothers and their fly by night lovers

speaking from experience are you?... because that's the only way you'd know

(many of whom have felony convictions)

so you have a felony conviction?

cannot be educated.

neither can you

 

[KingOrfeo]

In The Bell Curve Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein . . .

Haven't you learned by now never to cite that bullshit as an actual source?

 

[nakedboater69]

Because he is a dumb ass SOB

 

[MrRandyWatson]

If persistent differences in test scores and academic performance do not demonstrate that some races are more intelligent than others, what would? What evidence would you accept?

During the civil right movement one could argue that racial discrimination was the reason for high rates of black crime and illegitimacy, and low average Negro intelligence. Two generations after the civil right legislation was passed and since vast sums of money has been spent on anti poverty programs that argument is harder to maintain.

Ask a poor black person if he/she feels equal to white folks. Hell, ask a well-off black person the same thing. Even if the law recognizes people as equals, the law is only as good as the people enforcing it. That feeling of inferiority is not gone, by and large. And it's harder to fight because people don't want to admit it's there.

Fix the education for poor kids of all races, and stop the prison-industrial complex that has its boot on people's throats, and give out a real opportunity to escape poverty that a large number of people can and will benefit from. Then we'll see if your theory about race and intelligence holds true.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Haven't you learned by now never to cite that bullshit as an actual source?

The Bell Curve says what is obviously true.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Bell Curve says what is obviously true.

It is not even "obviously true" that IQ measures anything definable.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Ask a poor black person if he/she feels equal to white folks. Hell, ask a well-off black person the same thing. Even if the law recognizes people as equals, the law is only as good as the people enforcing it. That feeling of inferiority is not gone, by and large. And it's harder to fight because people don't want to admit it's there.

Fix the education for poor kids of all races, and stop the prison-industrial complex that has its boot on people's throats, and give out a real opportunity to escape poverty that a large number of people can and will benefit from. Then we'll see if your theory about race and intelligence holds true.

There is little relationship between the amount of money spent on public schools and the results. One of the most expensive public schools systems is that of Washington, DC. The results are still dismal, because most of the students are black.

Because blacks tend to be less intelligent than whites, few of them should go to college, and few should be placed in jobs that require superior intelligence. Because blacks have a sky high crime rate, we need more, longer, and harsher prison sentences for them at forced labor.

In the two generations since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, blacks have substantiated arguments Southern segregationists presented against the legislation.

 

[The_Trouvere]

It is not even "obviously true" that IQ measures anything definable.

Do you really believe that, or are you saying it because it makes you feel virtuous?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Do you really believe that, or are you saying it because it makes you feel virtuous?

I believe it because I have studied the subject. There is no consensus among psychologists, any more, that there exists any general intelligence factor g. See Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences.

 

[The_Trouvere]

I believe it because I have studied the subject. There is no consensus among psychologists, any more, that there exists any general intelligence factor g. See Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences.

If intelligence testing does not yield useful results, why has it become so widespread?

The dean of admissions of a university can pretend that intelligence tests do not mean anything, and that blacks have abilities that do not register on the SAT and the ACT. Under qualified blacks still pay tuition. When they find that they cannot keep up and drop out or flunk out the university keeps the tuition money.

Employers know that if they do not hire the best available candidates their rivals will. They cannot afford to indulge in nonsense about "multiple intelligence," "emotional intelligence," and so on.

Emotional intelligence scores do not predict performance. It there is any truth to multiple intelligence, it correlates. Those who score well on the mathematics part of the SAT also score well on the reading part. Those who score well on both, also score well on other mental aptitude tests.

One of the most sucessful corporations in the world is Microsoft. In the following article Charles Murray discusses the importance Bill Gates attributes to IQ.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...th-about-income-inequality-in-america/252892/