Why do you hate Sarah Palin?

[Shankara20]

But if it's not enough she can join the U.S.Army.

and get killed or shot all to hell....

 

[bambikiller]

So what now I'm a raceist.
Did you listen to the pod cast or just read it.

I lived with black people, And by the way Jessie came up with that African American B.S. while I was living with a black room mate I came home and gave him a bunch of shit he thought it was a joke too.
I've worked with them and I have all sorts of nationalities as my friends.
Now here's a little somthing that will blow your mine. My child is darker then Obama. When she ask's about her heritage I tell her she's an American.
Just like me and Damn proud of it.

 

[bambikiller]

If thats the price to pay to be a free American.
Better have her die in a fight then get blown up while working at your desk by some ass hole in an air plain flying into your building or did you forget about those 3,000 people.

 

[Netzach]

You get a public health care system in the country and you'll die in the waiting room waiting to see someone.

Bullshit. Bullshit Bullshit and more Bullshit.

They don't die in Europe. They don't die in Canada. They don't die in Australia or New Zealand. You know how we detest Cuba? Their infant mortality rate beats out some US cities. How on earth is "die, who cares" not where we're at NOW?

 

[Netzach]

If thats the price to pay to be a free American.
Better have her die in a fight then get blown up while working at your desk by some ass hole in an air plain flying into your building or did you forget about those 3,000 people.

Or blown up by Tim McVeigh who thinks that the government is too invasive. Just sayin'. Or did you forget about THOSE people?

 

[bambikiller]

What are you talking about they don't die.
Europe doesn't have terrorisim?
What exactly is B.S.

 

[bambikiller]

Tim Mc Vay he got the death penalty.
One of the best things we did, So what are you saying we got nut jobs here so we shouldn't punish the nut jobs that attack us

 

[Netzach]

What are you talking about they don't die.
Europe doesn't have terrorisim?
What exactly is B.S.

That if we had some kind of national system to cover the health of the uninsured and underinsured they would die in waiting rooms of Govt' neglect. That's what I'm saying isn't the case.

The feds aren't perfect, but you know. They manage to collect taxes and generally have roads and things, it's not like there's NO WAY we could cover the people left out to dry now.

 

[Netzach]

Tim Mc Vay he got the death penalty.
One of the best things we did, So what are you saying we got nut jobs here so we shouldn't punish the nut jobs that attack us

No, we should.

How many Iraqis on that plane, or just the one who tried to assassinate Bush the elder is the problem?

 

[Netzach]

It's funny. I somehow feel more likely to die because my meds are 350 a month than because of foreign terrorist attack.

Maybe it's the same people who play Lotto heavily who are making their voices heard.

 

[bambikiller]

I wasn't being litteral when I said "die in the waiting room" I meant that it would take along time to see a doctor and if you have the government paying the doctors wage then becoming a doctor won't be as great as it was before.
Now you won't have kids going to medical schools because the pay will suck. Instead those kids will become lawyers and we realy need more of them, don't we.

 

[bambikiller]

How come everyone was agenst Saddam regeim when he was torturing people and gasseing Kurds. Let alone not following the terms of surrender.
Bush said comply or we are going to fuck you in the ass Im paraphraseing here.
Saddam didn't and we did.
I don't care if you don't like Bush or not. One thing you have to give him credit for is when he say's somthing he means it and follows through.

I thought this was a Palin thread

 

[bambikiller]

Are your meds really $350.00 a month do you pay it all out of pocket or do you have assistance I.E. medicare, Insurance?

 

[Shankara20]

If thats the price to pay to be a free American.
Better have her die in a fight then get blown up while working at your desk by some ass hole in an air plain flying into your building or did you forget about those 3,000 people.

nope - I did not forget about them at all - the only thing is we have sacrificed to death over 4000 US military, wounded over 30,000 and killed hundred of thousands civilians in a war that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attack.

I suppose you are fine having your daughter die so we can have cheap gas - you may not care, but I do. Fight if we must, but not for cheap gas.

 

[Shankara20]

I thought this was a Palin thread

it was, but some posts like this...

1) The economy, I want someone that is Fiscaly conservitive.

2) The big one here and they are tied together. I don't want my taxes to go up more so because I don't like what they go to and thats to grow the goverment.
Obama was given 100 million dollars when he was a comunity organizer to help the Chicago school system and he blew the money. Didn't help the program. Chicago is a great example the school system is tied in with the city they spend like $10,000.00 per student and somthing like only half of them graduate and only half of those are properly prepared to go to collage.
I bet your local school system spends less money per student and does a better job. Mine does. Taxes for a good school system no problem. Taxes for big government that doesn't work I got a problem with that.

3) Abortion, I not for it. But if you want to kill your kid Ok by me.
But the way the law was, letting doctors preform partial birth abortions thats wrong. When the kid can live out side the womb but you kill it anyways that bad.

4) Which brings up the death penalty. I believe in evil, I believe there are people who are just evil. Kill them.

5) Social security, Pay the old people off and get rid of it. I'll work to the day I die I'm not asking for a free meal ticket. They didn't have it in Teddy Rosivelts day

6) health care leave it alone and deminish it. It doesn't work in other countries it's not going to work here.

7) The WARs Suport the troops win them!



sorta got some of us excited....

 

[Netzach]

Are your meds really $350.00 a month do you pay it all out of pocket or do you have assistance I.E. medicare, Insurance?

While I was slammed with the pre-existing coverage, it was all out of pocket. Now, after meeting a 2000 dollar per person deductable it goes down to 60 a month. This is a pretty tight situation and I'm better situated than a lot of people. However it sure would have been nice not to go 20 grand in the hole simply for getting diagnosed with a chronic disease at the wrong time - I'm much better able to work than I am a drain on the social system, I thought and if the debt climbs high enough and the stress gets bad enough, my ability to stay healthy and my ability to maintain remission will be challenged. I'd really like to keep working.

The thing that makes me sick is that there's more respect for people who are carrying 20K in debt because they put it up their nose, got a flat screen TV and more car than they need, bought houses they can't afford than there is for someone with crap luck in the genetic lotto. I didn't make shitty choices. I made responsible ones. I just finished paying 10 K in student loans.

Recently the husband's employer has ditched paying into HSA's OR premiums and cut pay by 10 percent. I'm luckier than a lot of people in this position in that I have more control over my income than most (I'm self employed so my own income isn't capped)

One could say "get a job" but I make much more money this way than I ever have working for others.

 

[FurryFury]

Have you been following John Ridley's Guide to Palinguage at the Huffington Post? Here are some of my favorites.


If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "token hire." If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "game changer."

Black teen pregnancies? A "crisis" in black America. White teen pregnancies? A "blessed event."

If you grow up in Hawaii you're "exotic." Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're the quintessential "American story."

If you say that for the "first time in my adult lifetime I'm really proud of my country" it makes you "unfit" to be First Lady. If you are a registered member of a fringe political group that advocates secession that makes you "First Dude."

If you get 18 million people to vote for you in a national presidential primary, you're a "phoney." Get 100,000+ people to vote you governor of the 47th most populous state in the Union, you're "well loved."

If you are biracial and born in a state not connected to the lower 48, America needs darn near 2 years and 3 major speeches to "get to know you." If you're white and from a state not connected to the lower 48, America needs 36 minutes and 38 seconds worth of an acceptance speech to know you're "one of us."

If your pastor rails against inequality in the United States of America, you're an "extremist." If your pastor welcomes a sermon by a member of Jews for Jesus who preaches that the killing of Jews by terrorists is a lesson to Jews that they must convert to Christianity, you're a "fundamentalist."

If you spend 18 months building a campaign around the theme of "Change," it's just "empty rhetoric." If one week before your party's national convention you SUDDENLY make your candidacy about "Change," that's "red meat."

If you supported a war that is costing $2.4 billion a day, you're a patriot who wants smaller government. If you oppose the war, you're a defeatist who wants big government.

If you chant 'Drill, Baby, Drill" you are positing an effective and responsible energy plan, science and logic be damned. If you chant "Yes, We Can" you are a mindless automaton.

If you're a Democrat and you prefer wine over beer, you are an "elitist." If you're a Republican and you prefer a beer heiress over your first wife, you are a "committed family man."

If you are Sarah Palin, you have no idea what the Bush Doctrine is. If you are an Iraqi, you know exactly what the Bush Doctrine is.

Great stuff! Thank you JM!

 

[Homburg]

And if we kill a few innocent folks because the system screwed up, "oh well"?

just asking...

I missed this when he said it originally.

One of the great lessons I learned studying the penal system was that the death penalty is largely pointless. There' sno real deterrent in it, short of making the bad ones incapable of doing it again. Life in prison sans parole does the same thing, and is VASTLY less expensive to the taxpayer. Killing somebody to satisfy public bloodlust is stupendously expensive (as it frikken should be).

While there are evil people that need killin, the govt should not be the one doing it.

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I wasn't being litteral when I said "die in the waiting room" I meant that it would take along time to see a doctor and if you have the government paying the doctors wage then becoming a doctor won't be as great as it was before.
Now you won't have kids going to medical schools because the pay will suck. Instead those kids will become lawyers and we realy need more of them, don't we.

Do you actually know anyone from the UK, Canada, etc that has a national healthcare system? Have you ever travelled seriously in any country that does? NHS in the UK has its' foibles, but, by and large, their health is better than ours. And take a look at how much of the GDP the UK spends on healthcare. Try Canada. Then a few other places. And then go back and look at what we pay.

And, honestly, do you really think that kids in the UK aren't going to medical school?

 

[JMohegan]

Great stuff! Thank you JM!

You're welcome, Fury. Glad you enjoyed it.

 

[graceanne]

Aside from the fact that she's a proven liar, ...

They're all liars. Some are more proven than others, but they are ALL liars. You don't make it that far in politics by being honest. Anyone who thinks that their party doesn't lie is naive and not to bright.

 

[Netzach]

They're all liars. Some are more proven than others, but they are ALL liars. You don't make it that far in politics by being honest. Anyone who thinks that their party doesn't lie is naive and not to bright.

Some lies are "no you don't look fat" and "80,000, oh I'm sorry, 8 people were there."

Some lies take down every market on the globe.

Some lies kill people. Thousands of people.

Not all lies are equally as damaging.

Yes it's good to assume lies. Yes it's good to dig in and see what the scope of the lie is as much as you are able. Yes, it's especially good to be clearheaded about it and not naive. But they're not all identical scoundrels. You are picking a certain KIND of poison and there's a disadvantage to every iteration of politician, a different one.

The problems of Jesse Ventura are not the same as those of Tim Pawlenty. And I miss the former, actually. If you're going to be freaked out and anti-government you could do worse.

 

[graceanne]

Some lies are "no you don't look fat" and "80,000, oh I'm sorry, 8 people were there."

Some lies take down every market on the globe.

Some lies kill people. Thousands of people.

Not all lies are equally as damaging.

They're are ALL flat out liars. ALL OF THEM. Being a democrat doesn't make you a good person any more than being a christian makes you a good person. It's a label, not a proof of honesty or goodwill. To be a politician you have to be a good liar. Why? Cause people don't want to know the truth, they WANT to hear lies that make them feel good about themselves and the future. Politicians who tell the truth DON'T GET VOTED FOR.

 

[Netzach]

They're are ALL flat out liars. ALL OF THEM. Being a democrat doesn't make you a good person any more than being a christian makes you a good person. It's a label, not a proof of honesty or goodwill. To be a politician you have to be a good liar. Why? Cause people don't want to know the truth, they WANT to hear lies that make them feel good about themselves and the future. Politicians who tell the truth DON'T GET VOTED FOR.

Actually, Ventura at the debate was about as close to truth telling as I've ever heard anyone get and he won hugely.
Being really really honest in a charismatic way doesn't necessarily mean you know how to run a state really well either. But again, could have been worse.

I see a lot of similarities actually with the Obama campaign, the new fresh feeling is a great one, then if Obama's actually elected people will discover that in fact, no he does not shit rainbows. Mediocre would be pretty good if that's the way it winds up.

Independent, but that makes sense. It really was out of the norm.

I don't think being a Dem makes you a good person for a minute. (cough garycondit)

There are leaders on both sides of the aisle. Chuck Hegel seems principled to me in an old school Wellstone style from a R seat.

 

[graceanne]

In a speech to a Selma, Alabama crowd meant to pump up his civil-rights movement authenticity and his Kennedy Camelot image, Barack Obama claimed that the Kennedy administration paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and therefore was responsible for his “very existence”. However, the first march on Selma took place on March 7, 1965. Obama would have been about three and half years old at that time. For some reason the media never did the math on this.

More lies:

... there was the Rezko lies, with Obama saying his association with Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who is currently facing federal charges of attempted extortion, money laundering, and fraud, wasn't a close association.

That was proven to be a lie very publicly. Obama also lied about the amount of money he received from Tony Rezko... again, proven to be a lie because it was far more than what Obama admitted to.

Then Obama admitted to having poor judgment regarding Rezko.

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Obama's next set of lies were in relation to some harsh comments he made regarding NAFTA, and it was revealed later that Obama's campaign had secretly told Canada officials not to take the political positioning too seriously.

Once again, Barack Obama denied that his campaign spoke to the Canadian officials, but oooops, a memo was later circulated showing that Obama's senior economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, did indeed meet with them and did assure them not to pay attention to Obama's rhetoric about NAFTA.


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Jeremiah Wright has been Barack Obama's pastor for the better part of 20 years and recently videos of some of Wright's sermons made headlines and were shown from one end of the globe to another. His more infamous sermon where he says "God Damn America" as well as many other racial, Anti-American comments, can be found at YouTube or on WUA's previous piece here.

Immediately after those videos hit the airwaves, blogs, media and video sites, Barack Obama wrote a long piece for Huffington Post, denying that he had ever heard Wright's rhetoric.

Obama:

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments...​

Now lets look at the words Barack Obama said in his speech to try to counter the questions his long association with Wright brought up.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

I think those two statements, made within 4 days of each other, make a valid point of a direct lie told, yet again, by Barack Obama.

Which brings us to Barack Obama today in the news. He spoke about Jeremiah Wright on ABC's The View and he said, "Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church."

After almost 20 years of listening to what Jeremiah Wright was preaching, Obama would have left the church?

Was Wright on the edge of retirement for 20 years? Or would Obama have left only because those controversial words from the pastor came to light publicly?

That isn't the lie though, at least not the big one for today... the lie is that Jeremiah Wright never "acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate."

When did Wright apologize? When did Wright admit his words were inappropriate? Where is the news coverage?

It all comes down to something Wright himself admitted to, reported by the New York Times:

Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. Obama’s audition for the ultimate establishment job.

“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”



Had Obama not been running for the presidency, he would have probably still been sitting in that church, listening to Jeremiah Wright, and the only reason he s distancing himself now, or trying to, is because of his desire to become president.

The kicker here for me though, after laying out lie after lie from Barack Obama, is the audacity ohe shows when he says, "You know, I’m a pretty tough – I’m skinny but I’m tough. (Laughter.) I think that the way to handle attacks, wherever they’re coming from – and, you know, there’ve been some tough punches thrown in this Democratic primary; it’s not like, you know, I’ve been just kinda takin’ a cakewalk through this primary – the way I like to handle attacks is to answer honestly, swiftly, forcefully and truthfully. I think the truth is a powerful weapon.”

(Found here.)

 

[Homburg]

Sarah Palin most blatant crime isn't being liar. It's being a bad liar.