Why Don't We Focus on Wealth Distribution in America?

[Chris_Michael]

oh yes, you did.

Not sure, it was either when you were flipping out about religion or abortion, can't remember.

God how do I break this down for a person with the IQ of a breakfast burrito?

I have stated many many times that just because I vote for somebody, that doesn't mean I agree with them on all issues. I have also stated that my vote was an anti-Hillary vote, not a pro-Trump vote. I will grant you that I have said I would never had voted Trump IF WE HAD COMPETENT and DECENT options, which we did not. I have said that I considered voting Hillary based on her plans for the economy. I went back and forth on that many times in 2016. In the end, however, I was not confident that Hillary would actually be sucessful. (And just to cover all grounds, I also said I voted Trump to destroy America because we are seriously at the point of no return. We are trillions of dollars in debt and we are the Roman Empire all over again.)

I also remember stating many times that I was more worried about the fact that Hillary could make shit happen and I was more comfortable that Trump could never make anything happen.

When given the choice between a shit sandwich and shit-on-a-stick, it's not necessarily that you actually like your options. I made a vote and I have said on many occasions that I accept the consequences for that vote.

I have also, on at least 2 occasions, said that I'm very ignorant when it comes to the economy and politics in general. I mean, for fuck's sake... I spent my entire young adult life in organic and medicinal chemistry classrooms. I received a doctorate of pharmacy by the age of 24. I have literally had 5 years in the real world and I'm trying to figure it out as I go along. My first lesson in corporate came from the suits at CVS turning me into a telemarketer, calling patients and using my license as a professional to encourage them that they need to pick up their past due meds which they didn't want.

That was the point when I realized that my $130,000 salary was not because I was truly a professional, but rather because I was fucking my patients in the ass and hearing their stories about how they barely make it financially and are just so frustrated with the care that they are receiving.

These poor working people were CONFUSED and FRUSTRATED. I was literally making money by lying to them despite the fact that I took an oath to cause no harm.

"Guess what, Chris. That's the real world." Well, fuck the real world. How many old people do I have to fuck before I go insane from my own conscience?

So, when I say that I know Hillary is lying, I fucking KNOW IT. I know she's lying to the poor, the minorities, the elderly, the frustrated. She is so full of shit, and I'm using my own real life, professional experience to consider that.

And when you see me posting these Marxist ideas, it's not because I want a pure equal consequences economy. Equal opportunity, yes. Equal consequences aren't possible. But I'm certainly not happy with how things are now.

Finally, I'm not fucking tribalistic and I change my mind on issues. I don't just think something purely because I'm one side or the other. Guns, for example. I will give up my gun if you morons will finally come up with any reasonable plan to get rid of them. Do I think it will make America safer? No. Do I think it will help at all? No. But if it means that much to you idiots, I'll give up the gun if you'll compromise on Islam, which you wont.... because you're stupid. [Edit: the original compromise actually had nothing to do with Islam. So, I will take that back. But you need to compromise on something, anything.]

 

[Carnal_Flower]

How the FUCK do you get from anger at CVS to "knowing" Hillary Clinton is a liar? Is she the CEO? Does she personally run that corporation? Why is she to blame for all these problems you see?

It seems to me you're a miserable, fat fuck mired in your own helplessness and bitterness and confusion about your own life. All your own problems. You are latching onto "Politics," which you admit you know nothing about, because you can't take responsibility for YOURSELF. You're a self-pitying snowflake victim. Politicians give you something to blame.

You're a pathetic man-baby whimpering in a crib whining endlessly that Mommy and Daddy aren't taking care of you. Grow the fuck up. Politicians are not all-powerful parents. Stop thinking like a helpless child.

In the end, instead of growing up, you chose to just end it all, like a school shooter. Oh, waa waa waaa, life is so bad, parents are so full of shit, the world is so bad and unfair, I'm gonna just get rid of it all. I'm gonna take my gun and go mow down as many people as I can before I check out.

Fine, then own it. You chose to go full on school shooter. And you're still too much of a weak whining turd to take responsibility for it. It was Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, she's so all-mighty powerful she forced me to do it, she did!

God how do I break this down for a person with the IQ of a breakfast burrito?

I have stated many many times that just because I vote for somebody, that doesn't mean I agree with them on all issues. I have also stated that my vote was an anti-Hillary vote, not a pro-Trump vote. I will grant you that I have said I would never had voted Trump IF WE HAD COMPETENT and DECENT options, which we did not. I have said that I considered voting Hillary based on her plans for the economy. I went back and forth on that many times in 2016. In the end, however, I was not confident that Hillary would actually be sucessful. (And just to cover all grounds, I also said I voted Trump to destroy America because we are seriously at the point of no return. We are trillions of dollars in debt and we are the Roman Empire all over again.)

I also remember stating many times that I was more worried about the fact that Hillary could make shit happen and I was more comfortable that Trump could never make anything happen.

When given the choice between a shit sandwich and shit-on-a-stick, it's not necessarily that you actually like your options. I made a vote and I have said on many occasions that I accept the consequences for that vote.

I have also, on at least 2 occasions, said that I'm very ignorant when it comes to the economy and politics in general. I mean, for fuck's sake... I spent my entire young adult life in organic and medicinal chemistry classrooms. I received a doctorate of pharmacy by the age of 24. I have literally had 5 years in the real world and I'm trying to figure it out as I go along. My first lesson in corporate came from the suits at CVS turning me into a telemarketer, calling patients and using my license as a professional to encourage them that they need to pick up their past due meds which they didn't want.

That was the point when I realized that my $130,000 salary was not because I was truly a professional, but rather because I was fucking my patients in the ass and hearing their stories about how they barely make it financially and are just so frustrated with the care that they are receiving.

These poor working people were CONFUSED and FRUSTRATED. I was literally making money by lying to them despite the fact that I took an oath to cause no harm.

"Guess what, Chris. That's the real world." Well, fuck the real world. How many old people do I have to fuck before I go insane from my own conscience?

So, when I say that I know Hillary is lying, I fucking KNOW IT. I know she's lying to the poor, the minorities, the elderly, the frustrated. She is so full of shit, and I'm using my own real life, professional experience to consider that.

And when you see me posting these Marxist ideas, it's not because I want a pure equal consequences economy. Equal opportunity, yes. Equal consequences aren't possible. But I'm certainly not happy with how things are now.

Finally, I'm not fucking tribalistic and I change my mind on issues. I don't just think something purely because I'm one side or the other. Guns, for example. I will give up my gun if you morons will finally come up with any reasonable plan to get rid of them. Do I think it will make America safer? No. Do I think it will help at all? No. But if it means that much to you idiots, I'll give up the gun if you'll compromise on Islam, which you wont.... because you're stupid. [Edit: the original compromise actually had nothing to do with Islam. So, I will take that back. But you need to compromise on something, anything.]

 

[EmpressJosephine]

History shows that systems based on artificial redistribution of wealth ultimately fail.

As a very smart woman said:

http://christinprophecyblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/margaret-thatcher-on-socialism-730x376.jpg

Here is the best sort of wealth distribution: People work hard, earn money, and buy things.

The problem has become that people with the confused ideas expressed by the originator of this thread have created whole sectors of society that believe they are entitled to money without having to work. Thus:

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-socialist-governments-traditionally-do-make-a-financial-mess-they-always-run-out-of-other-people-s-margaret-thatcher-272108.jpg

 

[dan_c00000]

Stop blaming everyone but yourself.

Hillary said many times, "I'm going to raise taxes on the wealthiest." Over and over. Said it right out loud in the debates. That is the PRIMARY reason they convinced all you Dumb Fucks she's the Devil. You have your head up your ass.

He didn't hear that. All he heard was Trump say brown people are the problem and creamed his pants.

I've been absolutely ruining his asshole in a bunch of other threads.

I mean chris refuses to go fight ISIS and he refuses to offer any actual solution to any problem. In other words: he's a typical racist republican coward.

 

[DeYaKen]

History shows that systems based on artificial redistribution of wealth ultimately fail.

As a very smart woman said:

http://christinprophecyblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/margaret-thatcher-on-socialism-730x376.jpg

Here is the best sort of wealth distribution: People work hard, earn money, and buy things.

The problem has become that people with the confused ideas expressed by the originator of this thread have created whole sectors of society that believe they are entitled to money without having to work. Thus:

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-socialist-governments-traditionally-do-make-a-financial-mess-they-always-run-out-of-other-people-s-margaret-thatcher-272108.jpg

A very Smart woman? Really?
This is the person who thought that trickle down worked.
The same woman who quoted Milton Freedman only to have him say "my work cannot be interpreted that way"

The same woman said "a country's economy is the same as a family budget" Oh yeah, show me the family that has the power to change the value of the money in their pocket. Show me a family where buying less increases your overall costs.

If it really is as simple as Margret Thatcher tried to pretend it is, we wouldn't need really smart people. You could put Forest Gump in the white house.

If wealth cannot be artificially redistributed when are the governments of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and yes even Germany going to fall.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

He didn't hear that. All he heard was Trump say brown people are the problem and creamed his pants.

I've been absolutely ruining his asshole in a bunch of other threads.

I mean chris refuses to go fight ISIS and he refuses to offer any actual solution to any problem. In other words: he's a typical racist republican coward.

"Ruining his asshole" huh? Funny that I thought all of your responses to his statements were, well, not responses at all.

Also I find it interesting that you accuse him of being scared of brown people when he just created a thread specifically covering the fact that white people are terrorists too.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

How the FUCK do you get from anger at CVS to "knowing" Hillary Clinton is a liar? Is she the CEO? Does she personally run that corporation? Why is she to blame for all these problems you see?

It seems to me you're a miserable, fat fuck mired in your own helplessness and bitterness and confusion about your own life. All your own problems. You are latching onto "Politics," which you admit you know nothing about, because you can't take responsibility for YOURSELF. You're a self-pitying snowflake victim. Politicians give you something to blame.

You're a pathetic man-baby whimpering in a crib whining endlessly that Mommy and Daddy aren't taking care of you. Grow the fuck up. Politicians are not all-powerful parents. Stop thinking like a helpless child.

In the end, instead of growing up, you chose to just end it all, like a school shooter. Oh, waa waa waaa, life is so bad, parents are so full of shit, the world is so bad and unfair, I'm gonna just get rid of it all. I'm gonna take my gun and go mow down as many people as I can before I check out.

Fine, then own it. You chose to go full on school shooter. And you're still too much of a weak whining turd to take responsibility for it. It was Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, she's so all-mighty powerful she forced me to do it, she did!

Whoa! First: he just said several times that he accepts the consequences of his actions and understands that they suck. So to say he needs to do that is just pointless.

 

[Yeomin]

The underlying message here is wealth distribution is not the result of policy (taxes or otherwise), but culture. The culture in the US, regardless of income, is "I gotta get mine."

Ayn Rand argues the advantages of focusing on what you want, and the results in the US (even the poor are in the richest 10% of the world) are hard to argue against. The argument that we have an unfair economy becuase of the 80/20 rule, which exists everywhere, is disingenuous at best and self-defeating at most realistic.

Equality of opportunity is the best we can hope for. Having said that, there is a very dangerous collusion between the corporate world and congress. Working immigration visa's (H1-B, H2-B) serve to depress wages while earning corporations more money. The same can be said of the trade policies that allow virtually unlimited access to the US consumer, while limiting the access to foreign economies. The documented collusion between political parties and the media is also a serious threat to the the US. The exposure of these collusions is likely the greatest accomplishment of Preisdent Trump.

To answer the original question. Governments don't talk about redistribution of wealth because we put wealthy people in power. Their campaigns are financed by wealthy people. Neither the people we elect nor those who sponsor them want to give up any of their wealth. It is almost as bad in Britain as it is in the USA.

Talk about wealth distribution and you are branded a communist, yet Japan has the lowest income gap in the world. Do we think of Japan as a communist country?
This book should be compulsory reading in all schools. It highlights the damage done to a country by inequality of income.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product...bb_uk-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=6738

Many great comparisons of US states.

BTW it doesn't have to be about taxation. Places like Sweden use the tax system but in places like Japan, the equality is endemic in their society.

 

[dan_c00000]

"Ruining his asshole" huh? Funny that I thought all of your responses to his statements were, well, not responses at all.

Also I find it interesting that you accuse him of being scared of brown people when he just created a thread specifically covering the fact that white people are terrorists too.

I ruined your asshole too don't forget.

Wow really? One thread where said white people MAYBE, MIGHT have committed terrorist acts. What a truth telling hero.

Perhaps, you'd also like to sign up to battle the enemies of the United States instead of just bitching about it on the internet. Or are you too chicken shit to do that?

See that. I just ruined your asshole again. It's Monday and you're already having a shitty week.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

I ruined your asshole too don't forget.

Wow really? One thread where said white people MAYBE, MIGHT have committed terrorist acts. What a truth telling hero.

Perhaps, you'd also like to sign up to battle the enemies of the United States instead of just bitching about it on the internet. Or are you too chicken shit to do that?

See that. I just ruined your asshole again. It's Monday and you're already having a shitty week.

It wasn't a maybe, it was a definite attempt and he stated it as such and has had numerous posts mentioning the harmful conflating of both Muslims and terrorists with brown skin.

I am a currently serving member of our armed forces so I pretty much did. What's your next "zinger" or do I need to remind you how your last "ruining" of my asshole was me linking to his anti-christian threads/posts which you said didn't exist?

 

[Libsam]

To answer the original question. Governments don't talk about redistribution of wealth because we put wealthy people in power. Their campaigns are financed by wealthy people. Neither the people we elect nor those who sponsor them want to give up any of their wealth. It is almost as bad in Britain as it is in the USA.

In the USA, Citizens United allowed private campaign donations. Before this 2010 ruling labor unions were allowed to donate, but corporations were not. Our Supreme Court ruled that campaign donations are a form of free speech.

Also, incumbent reelections are high but congressional approval is low. So why do incumbents often win reelection? Because they get free publicity from their station, and a staff, funded by tax payers, to focus on reelection. Citizens United should help break-up that consolidation of power.

Talk about wealth distribution and you are branded a communist, yet Japan has the lowest income gap in the world. Do we think of Japan as a communist country?

Places like Sweden use the tax system but in places like Japan, the equality is endemic in their society.

One thing you must take in to consideration when looking at Japan is their High Trust Homogeneous Society and their geographical location.

Thomas Sowell is in the Milton Freedman school of economics, and he often talks about income inequality. Sowell says to understand income equality you must also look at other influencing factors like Geography and Society. Geography on earth is not equal, so it is impossible to make people equal.

"a country's economy is the same as a family budget"

When a country's GDP growth rate increases, all economic classes in that country benefit, too. Well, it used to before Western Societies adopted these redistribution policies. We've learned that the return on redistribution efforts are not as good as the intellectual elites said it would be. So, their answer was "we have to do more". More taxation of the wealthy. Also, these overly generous welfare programs have effectively monetized a country's population, and that is why we are seeing all these refugee efforts. People=$$$$

The OP talked about the shrinking middle class. This is true, welfare states subsidize dependency on the government, and upward mobility through the social classes has stalled.

(Read my two previous posts in this thread)

If wealth cannot be artificially redistributed when are the governments of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and yes even Germany going to fall.

It is too early to know the consequences the refugees will have on their economy.

Thomas Sowell has many thoughts about the negative effects of multiculturalism. A lot of the stuff he was talking about years ago, demonized as an Uncle Tom for espousing, have come true.

 

[DeYaKen]

One thing you must take in to consideration when looking at Japan is their High Trust Homogeneous Society and their geographical location.


Thomas Sowell is in the Milton Freedman school of economics, and he often talks about income inequality. Sowell says to understand income equality you must also look at other influencing factors like Geography and Society. Geography on earth is not equal, so it is impossible to make people equal.

If you read The Spirit Level you will find many comaparisons from within the same country this rules out the Geographical argument.

When a country's GDP growth rate increases, all economic classes in that country benefit, too. Well, it used to before Western Societies adopted these redistribution policies. We've learned that the return on redistribution efforts are not as good as the intellectual elites said it would be. So, their answer was "we have to do more". More taxation of the wealthy. Also, these overly generous welfare programs have effectively monetized a country's population, and that is why we are seeing all these refugee efforts.

A study of the USA over the last fifty years shows that this is not true. While those people at the top of the food chain have seen their living standards skyrocket to such an extent that they can't spend the money as fast as it comes in. Those at the bottom have actually seen a decline in living standards.

The OP talked about the shrinking middle class. This is true, welfare states subsidize dependency on the government, and upward mobility through the social classes has stalled.

The middle classes that were, are not the people affected by welfare. These were the so-called blue collar workers. Those with skills that used to guarantee them a good income. In the interest of maximising profits, those jobs have either been moved abroad or automated. The profits gave an increase in GDP but a loss of jobs for the middle classes.

It is too early to know the consequences the refugees will have on their economy.

Thomas Sowell has many thoughts about the negative effects of multiculturalism. A lot of the stuff he was talking about years ago, demonized as an Uncle Tom for espousing, have come true.

The thread is about inequality of income not multiculturism.

 

[dan_c00000]

I am a currently serving member of our armed forces

Prove it.

 

[Libsam]

If you read The Spirit Level you will find many comaparisons from within the same country this rules out the Geographical argument.

I have not read The Spirit Level.

Japan is an island, this means they have a natural border, it is harder for people to migrate there, and Japan is able to implement their immigration policy more effectively because of those natural borders. They are able to control assimilation.

Also, because of the where their island is located, they have really awesome ports. All around the world, cities close to good ports have the highest population and a higher concentration of wealth.

You can not dismiss the geography of Japan.

A study of the USA over the last fifty years shows that this is not true. While those people at the top of the food chain have seen their living standards skyrocket to such an extent that they can't spend the money as fast as it comes in. Those at the bottom have actually seen a decline in living standards.

Yes. Over the last 50 years the USA has moved further away from Free Market Capitalism, and the results have been negative. It is not working and we can't keep doubling down on these bad policies.

The middle classes that were, are not the people affected by welfare. These were the so-called blue collar workers. Those with skills that used to guarantee them a good income. In the interest of maximising profits, those jobs have either been moved abroad or automated. The profits gave an increase in GDP but a loss of jobs for the middle classes.

Exactly, manufacturing jobs, good blue collar jobs that allow for upward mobility, have left the USA because we are taxing the shit out of the corporations. The USA's GDP Growth Rate has fallen over the past 50 years, and India and China's growth rate has increased- where the industry has gone.

The thread is about inequality of income not multiculturism.

Like I said, to understand income inequality you must understand other factors, like Society. Multiculturalism is a type of Society.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Prove it.

Gladly, in private. I try not to post too much personal info out in the open but I'm game. Especially since this is the most you could manage to come back with. You didn't even attempt to address anything else I've said, which speaks volumes to your character and the character of your arguments.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Whoa! First: he just said several times that he accepts the consequences of his actions and understands that they suck. So to say he needs to do that is just pointless.

Dude this bitch is a lunatic, a complete psychopath. She is just such an anomaly. I really don't even think most people here actually even want to associate themselves with her.

Not even talking politics here, Carnal Flower is either an amazing troll or she is just absolutely insane.

When people say "Typical Trump supporter," I just remember there are people like Carnal Flower and know that she evens out the playing field quite a bit.

 

[Chris_Michael]

History shows that systems based on artificial redistribution of wealth ultimately fail.

As a very smart woman said:


Here is the best sort of wealth distribution: People work hard, earn money, and buy things.

The problem has become that people with the confused ideas expressed by the originator of this thread have created whole sectors of society that believe they are entitled to money without having to work. Thus:

What exactly would you call THIS? Because THIS is what we have. You think this is ideal? You think trillions of dollars in debt is successful?

Also, let me explain something. There's a REASON it's called the fucking WORKING POOR. They WORK. God, you act like these people just sit around doing nothing except smoking weed all day. I bet that's what you imagine, too. I bet you think everybody who's poor is just uneducated and worthless to society.

The middle class is shrinking. The money is in the pockets of the rich. HOW DO WE FIX THAT? Because ignoring it is stupid and you're not helping yourself unless you are in the top 20%.

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/557ef766ecad04fe50a257cd-960/screen%20shot%202015-06-15%20at%2011.28.56%20am.png

 

[TheWhiteBull]

The middle class is shrinking. The money is in the pockets of the rich. HOW DO WE FIX THAT? Because ignoring it is stupid and you're not helping yourself unless you are in the top 20%

How we fix that is actually different depending upon your philosophical approach. For instance, you and I are in favor of creating a system based upon equality of opportunity whereas others are more focused on equality of outcome. Both are capable of fixing the problem if used as the goal of a complete overhaul and a conolete overhaul is indeed what is needed.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Bullcrap

What "radical" views do I espouse, except calling you on your bullshit?

I'm not a Bernie supporter, I DON'T think government can solve all my problems (Chris) and I think Trump is a dangerous bully. Whoo, better lock me up

Dude this bitch is a lunatic, a complete psychopath. She is just such an anomaly. I really don't even think most people here actually even want to associate themselves with her.

Not even talking politics here, Carnal Flower is either an amazing troll or she is just absolutely insane.

When people say "Typical Trump supporter," I just remember there are people like Carnal Flower and know that she evens out the playing field quite a bit.

 

[clistenovena]

You can not dismiss the geography of Japan.

Dismissing geography as it relates to economic trade is akin to burying one's head in the sand because one doesn't appreciate the view. Asinine.

Gladly, in private. I try not to post too much personal info out in the open but I'm game.

Why?!? Why would you be game for that?? Don't feel the need to prove yourself to anyone. Exercise in futility right there.

I bet you think everybody who's poor is just uneducated and worthless to society.

I don't normally speak for others (as they can do it for themselves), but I imagine Josephine doesn't think that. But if that is the case for anyone reading this, shame. Everyone, let me repeat, e v e r y o n e, has worth.

The middle class is shrinking. The money is in the pockets of the rich. HOW DO WE FIX THAT?

Well, yelling about it won't fix it. That's for sure.

Creating jobs that positively cultivate the middle class will help. More training programs that create workers for skilled labor careers will help. And one thing that will certainly help this mess is to stop using terms like "wealth distribution." It pisses off one half and riles up the other half. All that does is mire everyone down in an epic battle of wasted effort. Totally useless. Besides, socialistic policies are not the answers for long-term, viable progress here in the U.S. Or anywhere, in my opinion. I will never be of the mind that getting something for nothing is a positive idea for any society. That only creates an unhealthy dependency. Can it help for the short-term? Sure. Nothing more, though.

The biggest issue I see with this discussion, however, is that there will be no fix for this economic gap in wealth until we view poverty in a new light. The reason I say this is because here in the U.S., people define poverty with such a greatly skewed perspective, it's ridiculous. Here in the middle of North America, people cloak themselves with the mantle of "I'm poor" because they don't have the latest cell phone, or because they can't have satellite tv and high-speed internet, or because their car is 10 years old and, "Dammit, I deserve a new one!" The entitlement factor for many in this country is out of control. I see it and hear it every single day in my workplace. I actually had someone tell me that because I didn't have student debt, I should have to contribute to a fund to help pay off student debt for those who do. I didn't know whether to laugh in his face or punch him in the throat.

Back to topic, are there true cases of extreme poverty in the States? YES! Way too many for a country such as ours. And we the people need to do a better job of helping those who are truly in need. Definitely we the people do.

'Cause Lord knows, the government won't. Why? Because one half needs the welfare state to continue so they can keep their voters, and the other half needs the wealthy to stay wealthy so they can keep their voters.

But hey, fix that, and maybe the rest will follow. One can hope.

Or we can keep yelling insults and blaming others and chasing our own silly tails. There's that.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Pay close attention. Because this should make both sides of you angry as well.

People are dying in debt. I posted an article about it, stating that on average, Americans are dying with ~$65,000 in debt.

Try to put 2 and 2 together here. If somebody dies, and they are in debt, they cannot pay it back. Whatever debt they have literally gets wiped off the books. This is a huge problem, and what worse...

Here it is.... this is it... Wait for it.

IT'S SOCIALISM... just backwards.

Who's paying that money back? YOU!

"OH MY GOD, well I don't want to live under free healthcare. People from Canada have to come to the US because they have to wait so long for emergency surgeries that they die."

Welcome to Natural Selection. Welcome to the way nature works. We live to ungodly ages. Never in the history of life have humans ever lived to the ages we do now. But that's not necessarily good. We're supposed to die. We have 7.5 billion people on this planet. What about when we have 10 billion? Or 15 billion? What then?

To be quite honest, not all lives matter. Actually, no lives matter. From an evolutionary standpoint, we're fucking up our gene pools by trying to save all of the people who should die.

Oh my god, how sadistic can Chris be?! Well, I hate to tell you this, but if you believe in god, he's not doing a damn thing for this world except fucking it up. It's like he's playing a game of Sims and he's killing all the people in the world.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Why?!? Why would you be game for that?? Don't feel the need to prove yourself to anyone. Exercise in futility right there.

Because calling annoying little bluffs like that is fun.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

To be quite honest, not all lives matter. Actually, no lives matter. From an evolutionary standpoint, we're fucking up our gene pools by trying to save all of the people who should die.

Oh my god, how sadistic can Chris be?! Well, I hate to tell you this, but if you believe in god, he's not doing a damn thing for this world except fucking it up. It's like he's playing a game of Sims and he's killing all the people in the world.

If you really believed that no lives matter you wouldnt be interested in solutions to economic inequality or religious extremism.

 

[DeYaKen]

I have not read The Spirit Level.

Japan is an island, this means they have a natural border, it is harder for people to migrate there, and Japan is able to implement their immigration policy more effectively because of those natural borders. They are able to control assimilation.

The USA is pretty self-contained yet there are vast differences in the income equality throughout the states of America. You can't argue that away with Geography. It's interesting to note the differences in things like the crime rate in the more equal states.

You can not dismiss the geography of Japan.

I didn't dismiss the geography of Japan I said there were other studies like the one mentioned above which give the lie to the geographical argument.

Yes. Over the last 50 years, the USA has moved further away from Free Market Capitalism, and the results have been negative. It is not working and we can't keep doubling down on these bad policies.

The USA is still the most unregulated Free Market economy in the western world, yet it also has the most income inequality. This would seem to indicate that the less regulation the greater the inequality.

Exactly, manufacturing jobs, good blue collar jobs that allow for upward mobility, have left the USA because we are taxing the shit out of the corporations. The USA's GDP Growth Rate has fallen over the past 50 years, and India and China's growth rate has increased- where the industry has gone.
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Since the companies are taxed on their profits not on how many Americans they employ this argument doesn't hold water. The free market globalisation drove those jobs abroad. An Indian programmer is less than half the price of an American Programmer. That is the reason the jobs moved abroad. Tax had nothing to do with it. In fact, they pay more tax by shifting the jobs abroad. The difference in labour costs far outway the increase in tax. Corporate greed is what moved the jobs abroad.

In the UK we are bringing some of the jobs we lost during the Thatcher era, back to Britain. However, the number of jobs are greatly reduced because the only way we can compete is to have more automation so fewer people are needed. The flexibility and speed at which you can change is greater if your production facility is on your doorstep and under your control. This offsets the difference in labour costs.

 

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Because calling annoying little bluffs like that is fun.

Okay. I can support you in that.

If you really believed that no lives matter you wouldnt be interested in solutions to economic inequality or religious extremism.

Nailed that one to the wall.