Why is Greenland Even a topic?

[Cogan]

Screw all of that. Here's my case for the European Union matching the United States’ defense spending percentage around 3.3% to 3.5% of GDP, rests fundamentally on two pillars: achieving genuine strategic autonomy and safeguarding the long-term viability of the transatlantic alliance. Europe’s current defense expenditures, averaging well below this benchmark, reflect a reliance on the United States to shoulder the majority of the collective security burden. To evolve from a dependent partner into a truly capable and independent actor on the global stage, the EU as a whole must invest significantly more in its military capabilities, infrastructure, and readiness. This increased investment would enable Europe to respond decisively to emerging threats, reduce vulnerabilities, and assert its interests with greater confidence.

Moreover, bridging the defense spending gap is essential to preserving the health of the NATO alliance itself. The United States has repeatedly expressed frustration with disproportionate burden-sharing, and without meaningful increases from Europe, the transatlantic partnership risks fraying under the weight of uneven commitment. By matching U.S. defense spending as a percentage of GDP, the EU would not only demonstrate its seriousness as a security partner but also strengthen the political and military ties that bind the alliance. This commitment is crucial for deterring adversaries, managing crises collaboratively, and ensuring a stable, rules-based international order well into the future.

Matching the United States’ defense spending level of approximately 3.3% to 3.5% of GDP would represent a monumental shift for the European Union, translating into an estimated additional $300 to $400 billion annually in defense expenditures across member states. Currently, the EU collectively spends around 1.5% of GDP on defense, so doubling this investment would significantly bolster Europe’s military capabilities, infrastructure, and readiness. The result would be a military force unmatched by anything the Russians or the Chinese could muster.

The numbers for 2025 for the total EU was 2,1% of GDP and rising.

I still wonder witch country is shrinking its defense spending?

 

[Wilson23]

And it is not that we disagree.
- We know that we need invest more in our defense.

Which we already are. But even though we stood with money ready in our hands - we cannot buy the military equipment on the spot.

Also, if we really wanted to be equal partners, then we should produce the equipment ourselves, making sure that we got the critical infrastructure up and running, becoming more independent and able to protect ourselves.

So, that is what we are doing.

What, building an armaments industry?

 

[Cat]

What, building an armaments industry?

Well.. yeah?

Working together with the other nations, it is not that difficult in the EU. And among us Nordic countries it is even easier.

Was that not the intention? That we should become independent?
That would obviously also include producing and owning the rights to our own material.

Also, we are talking about a lot of money - it is better for our economy that we spend the money here.

 

[Cat]

The numbers for 2025 for the total EU was 2,1% of GDP and rising.

I still wonder witch country is shrinking its defense spending?

Heldigvis bliver der også produceret mere og mere materiale her i Europa.

Jeg ved at vi i Danmark er frygtelig frustrerede over at vi nedlagde vores skibsværfter, eftersom som at vi mangler skibe i stor stil, og de tager så lang tid at få produceret.

Men vi er begyndt at producere ammunition igen, plus Ukraine er ved at bygge en fabrik her også: de skal lave brændstof!

Hvor pudsigt det end lyder, så er det en ting der gør mig glad: at vi bliver selvstændige og uafhængige.

Så mangler vi blot at begynde at producere medicin og vacciner selv igen!

 

[Cogan]

Also, if we really wanted to be equal partners, then we should produce the equipment ourselves, making sure that we got the critical infrastructure up and running, becoming more independent and able to protect ourselves.

So, that is what we are doing.

I've said this for a long time. Germany was still sort of occupied by USA until Trump got elected. Then all of a sudden Europe were a bunch of stupid lazy freeloaders!

And now when we are supposed to gear up we have to buy from USA instead of building our own stuff.

 

[Cat]

I've said this for a long time. Germany was still sort of occupied by USA until Trump got elected. Then all of a sudden Europe were a bunch of stupid lazy freeloaders!

And now when we are supposed to gear up we have to buy from USA instead of building our own stuff.

Well the problems just keep knocking on our door:

Gear up!
Faster!
But buy from us.. we dictate the price, and when you can have it.

- if we buy aircrafts from the US... Then we are only allowed to lease the software..

We need our own production line.

And we are getting it. It is ridiculous expensive.. but, even the Germans are going to come around.

Spain, Portugal, France and Italy.. sigh. They need to become stable first and foremost.
Italy.. I am surprised, but in a very good way: Meloni is doing a pretty decent job!

 

[Cogan]

Heldigvis bliver der også produceret mere og mere materiale her i Europa.

Jeg ved at vi i Danmark er frygtelig frustrerede over at vi nedlagde vores skibsværfter, eftersom som at vi mangler skibe i stor stil, og de tager så lang tid at få produceret.

Men vi er begyndt at producere ammunition igen, plus Ukraine er ved at bygge en fabrik her også: de skal lave brændstof!

Hvor pudsigt det end lyder, så er det en ting der gør mig glad: at vi bliver selvstændige og uafhængige.

Så mangler vi blot at begynde at producere medicin og vacciner selv igen!

Både Tyskland, Frankrike, Sverige och Finland gör bra försvarsmateriel. SÅ vi kan stå på egna ben. Men det förbannade landet i väster skäller på oss men tvingar ändå på oss saker för annars är det slut på samarbetet.
Antingen får vi bestämma oss för att be dom dra åt helvete eller låta oss bli överkörda.

Jag vet var jag står iallafall.

 

[Cogan]

Well the problems just keep knocking on our door:

Gear up!
Faster!
But buy from us.. we dictate the price, and when you can have it.

- if we buy aircrafts from the US... Then we are only allowed to lease the software..

We need our own production line.

And we are getting it. It is ridiculous expensive.. but, even the Germans are going to come around.

Spain, Portugal, France and Italy.. sigh. They need to become stable first and foremost.
Italy.. I am surprised, but in a very good way: Meloni is doing a pretty decent job!

I can only agree to this.

America first and then yell at others for not keeping up with them even though the reason is them that is holding us back.

But we are at least lucky enough to have SAAB and Bofors.
So we have somethings that USA wants that isn't a very cold island.

 

[Cat]

Både Tyskland, Frankrike, Sverige och Finland gör bra försvarsmateriel. SÅ vi kan stå på egna ben. Men det förbannade landet i väster skäller på oss men tvingar ändå på oss saker för annars är det slut på samarbetet.
Antingen får vi bestämma oss för att be dom dra åt helvete eller låta oss bli överkörda.

Jag vet var jag står iallafall.

Jeg er så enig, vi havde desværre nogle gamle købsaftaler på fly fra landet i vest.
Det er så frustrerende at tænke på, at vi er nødt til at købe dem.

Og at de bevidst forsænker leveringen, for at kunne stå og udskamme os, og sige at vi skal tage os sammen og komme med trusler.

Jeg er fuldkommen enig med dig, jeg er af den klare overbevisning at vi skal købe hos vores venner, og at vi på den måde kan gøre os selv stærkere.

Underligt nok, så er jeg begyndt helt seriøst at overveje: er de så vige for os? Hvad er det at de gør for os?
Hvis EU var lidt modigere, hvis Tyskland ikke bremsede os hele tiden, så kunne vi slå tilbage med nogle ret skrappe økonomiske konsekvenser.

Men, Tyskland er bange for at det vil gå ud over deres bilproduktion.. hvad med resten af unionen?

Jeg ved også hvad min holdning er, pænt meget det samme som din.

De kan rende mig.

 

[Wilson23]

Well.. yeah?

Working together with the other nations, it is not that difficult in the EU. And among us Nordic countries it is even easier.

Was that not the intention? That we should become independent?
That would obviously also include producing and owning the rights to our own material.

Also, we are talking about a lot of money - it is better for our economy that we spend the money here.

It's just that there seems something . . . counterintuitive about the concept of Danish-made armaments. What, Danish pastries?! No, ARMAMENTS!

 

[Cat]

Både Tyskland, Frankrike, Sverige och Finland gör bra försvarsmateriel. SÅ vi kan stå på egna ben. Men det förbannade landet i väster skäller på oss men tvingar ändå på oss saker för annars är det slut på samarbetet.
Antingen får vi bestämma oss för att be dom dra åt helvete eller låta oss bli överkörda.

Jag vet var jag står iallafall.

Og Ukraine!!
Deres produktion af droner og pansrede køretøjer, det er næsten ikke til at forstå.

Vi kunne så hurtigt blive uafhængige. Uden at sende vores penge ud af unionen.

 

[Cat]

It's just that there seems something . . . counterintuitive about the concept of Danish-made armaments. What, Danish pastries?! No, ARMAMENTS!

Ehh... We can make the ammunition cute and pink? Would that work for you?

I think you are confusing us with a cartoon version of the Nordics.

.... We are not really that sweet.

Polite? Yes!! Absolutely.

Sweet... Eh.. no?

 

[Cogan]

Ehh... We can make the ammunition cute and pink? Would that work for you?

I think you are confusing us with a cartoon version of the Nordics.

.... We are not really that sweet.

Polite? Yes!! Absolutely.

Sweet... Eh.. no?

Denmarks brand new U-boat strait out of Odenses shipyard! HC Anderson would be so proud! (The American flag is instead of cammoflage)

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZTM4NzFjYWEtMDkxYS00ZGJlLWFjODAtNjM0M2UzNzk5MjgyXkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_.jpg

 

[Wilson23]

Ehh... We can make the ammunition cute and pink? Would that work for you?

I think you are confusing us with a cartoon version of the Nordics.

.... We are not really that sweet.

Polite? Yes!! Absolutely.

Sweet... Eh.. no?

I must have been thinking of the Swedes.

 

[Cat]

Denmarks brand new U-boat strait out of Odenses shipyard! HC Anderson would be so proud! (The American flag is instead of cammoflage)

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZTM4NzFjYWEtMDkxYS00ZGJlLWFjODAtNjM0M2UzNzk5MjgyXkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_.jpg

The pink colour makes it so fluffy and cute!! I think I want one for myself!

Jeg elsker det!!
Det er dog ved at være ret sent. - Sov godt kære.

 

[Cat]

I must have been thinking of the Swedes.

@Cogan
Did you hear that dear?! He was thinking of you guys!!

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

greenland is a topic because of the wwe hall of famer donnie j trump

 

[jomar]

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I still wonder though why the US needs to take such a harsh stance without negotiating in good faith, which seems like we don't want to do.

Because, as has been so aptly observed, trump punches you in the face then starts negotiating.

 

[Rightguide]

Hey, Einstein:

Canada JOINED us going up Normandy Beaches and much more

So what? That was Europe's war. We stepped in to help them win. At great cost, I might add. Today Canada is destroying itself. Its provinces are vying for American statehood.

BTW u notice Trump has no friends?

No, I haven't noticed that. Of course, our enemies hate us. Leftists all over the World hate us, but do we care or shrink from it?

 

[Rightguide]

Witch Europe country is shrinking its defense spending? Not the Nordic once I can tell you.

Denmark raised from 2,4 to 3% of GDP last year
Sweden raised to 2,8 and will reach 3% of GDP in 2026
Norway was 3,3% of GDP in 2025
Finland went from 2 to 2,4% of GDP in 2025.
USA was between 3,1 and 3,4% of GDP in 2025 as a reference.

And just for information:
Poland: 4,5% of GDP
Lithuania: 4,0% of GDP
Estonia: 3,8% of GDP

What a bunch of freeloaders!

How big of an army do any of those countries have? You could put the British Army in a football stadium.

 

[Cogan]

How big of an army do any of those countries have? You could put the British Army in a football stadium.

You haven't answered my question yet. Witch European country is shrinking its defense budget? That was what you started this argument with.

We are getting there. Every year more and more soldiers are trained again. At least in the Nordic countries.

And if you are going to turn this into a pissing contest, I suggest Trump against King Frederik X. king against King! The contest should be held at Greenland so the yellow would be a great contrast to the snow. I suggest Trump to wear Wellingtons.

 

[nowisthetime]

What a goddamn time line.

This country has got to get it's shit together. This old orange Jabba the Hut looking demented thing gonna try to start WW3 under Pootin's orders. He doesn't joke he says what he wants to do.

That's not the first time he won't take no for an answer.

This is all on the lazy couch potato dimwits, as well as the maggots (who enjoy chaos btw cause they are miserable).

 

[ll74]

Fairly simple and I'll say it again - the US can have as many bases or as many mineral rights as it wants to have. No military force is needed.

Military force will end NATO.

And as much as MAGA fucks like this, the result would be catastrophic.

 

[Cat]

Fairly simple and I'll say it again - the US can have as many bases or as many mineral rights as it wants to have. No military force is needed.

Military force will end NATO.

And as much as MAGA fucks like this, the result would be catastrophic.

That is just it, the precedent it creates would have unimaginable consequences.

Something that will not change with a "simple" presidential change in the US.

Ending NATO.. for what? For a psychological need of a single man?

I am not going to claim that so far, the US have not been carrying the biggest burden in NATO.
Yes, you guys have been spending more money on your military than we did, for decades.

But we get it, and we have changed. The numbers do not lie.

Also, it is not as if the US have not benefited from their spending; it is the size of your military that gives you the power to bully all other countries.
It is the accumulated strength over the years that made the US a super power.

So forgive me that I am not bowing and cowering in awe, I know that the US spent a lot on their military, but I also know that they got their pay back with interests.

But that will all be obsolete the moment NATO ends.

Who is going to stop China?
Who can protect Taiwan?
What about Russia?
The Baltic countries?
The Danish island Bornholm?
What about Denmark.. our geographical location is frustrating to Russia.

Xi and Putin are playing go, a long and patient game of go.
The American president? ... Eh... He threatens people while playing Texas hold'em.

War never made the world a better place, it never made the common citizen better off.
But it might have kept some people from going to jail.

 

[deft]

That is just it, the precedent it creates would have unimaginable consequences.

Something that will not change with a "simple" presidential change in the US.

Ending NATO.. for what? For a psychological need of a single man?

I am not going to claim that so far, the US have not been carrying the biggest burden in NATO.
Yes, you guys have been spending more money on your military than we did, for decades.

But we get it, and we have changed. The numbers does not lie.

Also, it is not as if the US have not benefited from their spending, it is the size of your military that gives you the power to bully all other countries.
It is the accumulated strength over the years that made the US a super power.

So forgive me that I am not bowing and cowering in awe, I know that the US spent a lot on their military, but I also know that they got their pay back with interests.

But that will all be obsolete the moment NATO ends.

Who is going to stop China?
Who can protect Taiwan?
What about Russia?
The Baltic countries?
The Danish island Bornholm?
What about Denmark.. our geographical location is frustrating to Russia.

Xi and Putin are playing go, a long and patient game of go.
The American president? ... Eh... He threatens people while playing Texas hold'em.

War never made the world a better place, it never made the common citizen better off.
But it might have kept some people from going to jail.

This whole post needs to be delivered to every MAGA drum-beater. Soooo well put