Why is Greenland Even a topic?

[Cat]

This whole post needs to be delivered to every MAGA drum-beater. Soooo well put

I am not so sure.

We all see the world from where we are.
And what we see gets filtered through our assumptions, our experiences and our knowledge.

On top of that we are all equipped with a very different set of values, hopes, dreams and aspirations.

Sprinkled some cultural differences and religious beliefs.

It is not as if I do not get it, I do. Which pains me.

Who am I to tell people that they are wrong?

Because, seen from their perspective: the world may burn, it has never done anything for them anyway.

And can I really disagree with that?

I am just seeing the world from my perspective.

 

[deft]

I am just seeing the world from my perspective.

 

[Wilson23]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5685118-fine-introduces-greenland-bill/
Republican introduces bill seeking to make Greenland 51st state

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Trump wants Greenland because it’s “psychologically important” to him.

 

[VerbalAbuse]

I would like to contribute to this thread, decisively if possible.

 

[Cat]

Well, ours and Greenland's foreign minister have a meeting with J.D Vance tomorrow.
That Vance asked for, he changed the meeting from being a semi casual meeting between equal foreign ministers, to a very official meeting in the WH.
Geez... That is going to be constructive and beneficial for the whole situation.
Vance, for some reason, fucking hates Denmark.

 

[Cat]

Greenland: "We choose Denmark".

USA: "We do not care, we want Greenland".

 

[Philthy_Phil]

"He", not "we".

You are American. The system you support elected him. You are also the problem. Every American is the problem and don't you ever fucking forget it.

 

[Treeview]

The simple answer to the OP is:

Its not Epstein Files.

Everything else is a diversion of attention from THE most important issue.

 

[deft]

You are American. The system you support elected him. You are also the problem. Every American is the problem and don't you ever fucking forget it.

I'm pretty far from American

 

[ll74]

Not sure I've been clear about this-
Negotiating for our security interests with our NATO ally is the best path forward.

If we invade Greenland, the President should be impeached.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

If Trump acts towards acquiring Greenland "by any means," he needs to have the 25th amendment thrown at him.

 

[ll74]

If Trump acts towards acquiring Greenland "by any means," he needs to have the 25th amendment thrown at him.

That's not how it works.
And JD Vance would have to act.
Take a civics class

 

[John_von_Neumann]

That's not how it works.
And JD Vance would have to act.
Take a civics class

To the extent that undermining national standing in such a gross way is a signal of mental infirmity, the 25th amendment could, in principle, be used against him.

Take a civics class.

 

[ll74]

To the extent that undermining national standing in such a gross way is a signal of mental infirmity, the 25th amendment could, in principle, be used against him.

Take a civics class.

How is the 25th Amendment invoked?

Get a fucking clue.

Our VP is loyal to the autocrat.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

How is the 25th Amendment invoked?

Get a fucking clue.

Our VP is loyal to the autocrat.

I never made a claim about plausibility. The statement was normative.

Take a fucking reading comprehension class.

 

[ll74]

I never made a claim about plausibility. The statement was normative.

Aah, so hypothetically.

Got it.
We have JD.

Take a fucking reading comprehension class.

Perhaps comprehend that I'm discussing what is possible rather than theoretical.
There are difficult paths forward and there are impossible paths forward.
An autocratic administration does not allow the 25th amendment to be invoked.

Hell, the last administration didn't even do so.

 

[Cogan]

Not sure I've been clear about this-
Negotiating for our security interests with our NATO ally is the best path forward.

If we invade Greenland, the President should be impeached.

May I ask what the army thinks about this? That is not heard over here.

I'm playing with the thought that Vance does a Zelenskyj to the foreign minsters. I don't think it will work since Lars Løkke Rasmusen is quite an experienced politician and I think he just keep calm and let Vance do the screaming, say thanks but no thank you and leave.
What happens next if Trump decide to keep his position? Can he just tell the army to march in the direction of the cold weather or does it have to pass some more thoughtful people that says "it's not worth the risk since we are getting all we want without getting killed or have to kill our allies".

And another question, is there any legal way to stop Trump if he decides to send troops? Can the army say "You are nuts! This is crazy. We are not attacking allies!"?

 

[ll74]

May I ask what the army thinks about this? That is not heard over here.

He is the commander in chief. They follow orders.

I'm playing with the thought that Vance does a Zelenskyj to the foreign minsters.

We don't have foreign ministers. We have a cabinet.
Overall we have a current autocracy. The administration is loyal to the President.

I don't think it will work since Lars Løkke Rasmusen is quite an experienced politician and I think he just keep calm and let Vance do the screaming, say thanks but no thank you and leave.

It doesn't work.

What happens next if Trump decide to keep his position?

It's up to Congress to proceed and complete impeachment and removal. If it doesn't, nothing changes.

Can he just tell the army to march in the direction of the cold weather or does it have to pass some more thoughtful people that says "it's not worth the risk since we are getting all we want without getting killed or have to kill our allies".

Theoretically, Congress votes to oppose actions by the President.
The only branch who has opposed him is the Judiciary, but the branch that needs to is the legislature.

And another question, is there any legal way to stop Trump if he decides to send troops? Can the army say "You are nuts! This is crazy. We are not attacking allies!"?

Not really. That would end up being a coup....which is much more difficult here based on our Constitution.

 

[Cat]

He is the commander in chief. They follow orders.


We don't have foreign ministers. We have a cabinet.
Overall we have a current autocracy. The administration is loyal to the President.


It doesn't work.


It's up to Congress to proceed and complete impeachment and removal. If it doesn't, nothing changes.


Theoretically, Congress votes to oppose actions by the President.
The only branch who has opposed him is the Judiciary, but the branch that needs to is the legislature.

Not really. That would end up being a coup....which is much more difficult here based on our Constitution.

Thank you. I think both Cogan and I are feeling a bit nervous right now.

So, thank you for your calm and sober replies.

 

[ll74]

Thank you. I think both Cogan and I are feeling a bit nervous right now.

So, thank you for your calm and sober replies.

I wish I could be more comforting. At this point, I'm afraid the only way forward is one where we invade Greenland.

So many in the US don't realize the precipice of history we are in right now. And actually seeing the result manifest itself might be the only way for them to understand.

I support the people of Denmark and Greenland to act in their own interests and am against any aggressive action towards either by our autocratic President.

 

[Cat]

@Cogan hvis jeg kunne tænke klart.. så, ved du hvad.. jeg ved ikke hvad jeg ville.

Det her ligner noget vi har set før, det er hans sædvanlige modus operandi, vi har tabt, ikke kun Danmark. Vi har alle tabt.

Og ingen vil gøre noget, Rutte mindst af alt.. Von Leyen har haft for mange mistillidsvoti imod sig.

Pis.

Det ser sort ud.

 

[VerbalAbuse]

@Cogan hvis jeg kunne tænke klart.. så, ved du hvad.. jeg ved ikke hvad jeg ville.

Det her ligner noget vi har set før, det er hans sædvanlige modus operandi, vi har tabt, ikke kun Danmark. Vi har alle tabt.

Og ingen vil gøre noget, Rutte mindst af alt.. Von Leyen har haft for mange mistillidsvoti imod sig.

Pis.

Det ser sort ud.

yea... yea...

no idea what you say, but I totally agree. get them, kid.

 

[Cat]

I wish I could be more comforting. At this point, I'm afraid the only way forward is one where we invade Greenland.

So many in the US don't realize the precipice of history we are in right now. And actually seeing the result manifest itself might be the only way for them to understand.

I support the people of Denmark and Greenland to act in their own interests and am against any aggressive action towards either by our autocratic President.

I agree.

Something needs to happen, I am just really sorry that it needs to be done like this.

But with so few people realising the severity of these actions, I.. sorry, it is a bit difficult to be in the middle of it.

What ever happens, happens.

And I fear that we have reached the point of no return.

 

[Cogan]

@Cogan hvis jeg kunne tænke klart.. så, ved du hvad.. jeg ved ikke hvad jeg ville.

Det her ligner noget vi har set før, det er hans sædvanlige modus operandi, vi har tabt, ikke kun Danmark. Vi har alle tabt.

Og ingen vil gøre noget, Rutte mindst af alt.. Von Leyen har haft for mange mistillidsvoti imod sig.

Pis.

Det ser sort ud.

Jag skickar massor av kramar! Det är trots allt mer nervöst för dig än för mig, även om vi också kommer att bli inblandade om det går åt helvete.
Men jag har stort förtroende för Lars Løkke Rasmusen. Vance kommer inte åt honom. Han är för erfaren för det.

Och ja, det ser ganska mörkt ut. Det enda jag ser som kan stoppa Trump är det Amerikanska folket som förhoppningsvis inte tycker det är värt att förlora militärer för.