Why should candidates be expected to release their tax returns?

[Real_American17]

Disagree with me?

Yes. You are wrong.

I am qualified to vote, & have done so. That may be true, but not proper.

Agreed.

He was born in the US...

Wrong. Kenya.

It is a fact, & on-topic. I understand your inability to recognize them, since it is rare (if ever) I see you post them.

Wrong.

One word, & you may actually be correct.

I know I'm correct.

Hence you cancelling them out.

How is it me cancelling them out? If they died, they are not eligible to vote. Dead people can't vote you fucking moron!

(Like that needless "s" in a verb in your question. You will no doubt respond calling me a "spelling Nazi", which is neither true nor on-topic, or an idiot for what you will claim is a question you posed without any errors.)

Faggot.

Insanity? Wrong. Deranged? Wrong. Festered? Wrong. Again, however, I don't expect you to recognize or understand sane, correctly-working minds, since you have repeatedly proven to lack one of your own.

You're completely wrong.

You continue to claim such a person doesn't deserve a say while being one & attempting to.

I am not such a person, that is why I support not allowing those people like yourself to be unable to vote.

You are the cancer to humanity...

I would if I saw a reason. You seem to be requesting I do so b/c you don't comprehend its meaning. In this same post, I have already mentioned things you fail to recognize &/or comprehend due to problems that have nothing to do with me, & that many others do not have. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few," so I'll refrain, & you go sit on it.

More gibberish from a deranged piece of shit.

Where those "equal" (according to you, not reality) men get sent to other countries after being "informed" of weapons in that country that would prove quite fatal if they actually existed. Those American men who then find themselves in that country fight there for a reason they were told that was not true. Perhaps when (& maybe even at the precise same second) a relative of theirs learns of this falsehood, that person also loses this aforementioned family member.

What the fuck does you anti-Iraq invasion rant have to do with anything?

You're a fucking moron!

I'm not scum or someone that has ever wanted that. However, I'm busy mid-week, so I don't have time to list all the things you've been proven wrong about.

I haven't been proven wrong once, you sick degenerate piece of shit!

I am not saying it being fiction has any bearing on it. However, that refers to the bearing in either direction. While I am not going to start believing quotes from Whitman or Voltaire any less, I am also not going to try to travel to Neverland. You cannot possibly argue it is fiction, & that (which we seem to agree is factual) is all I am stating.

You're a fucking moron, you wanted to reject the quote merely because it was from a work of fiction. Go fuck yourself you moron...

I phrased it fine. It is more irony that you see me as calling myself stupid because you are.

It's sad the way you keep clinging to this. You chose, option "2", option "2" is that you are stupid.

"All or nothing..." I am wrong the latter in this instance, just as what you wrote about me is correct the latter.

Wrong again.

Do you see how this is repetitive?! You claim I made a "non-point" (or failed to make one), when in fact it is what you do often in this thread. Also, you seem to be mockingly celebrating it as though it is an achievement, since you fail(ed) to recognize the majority (if not all) of the points I have made/stated, as well as the fact that conversely, I would recognize your points if you made any. (You seem to prefer to waste much of your posts' space making false claims about what I think/want/say.)

Jeez a dump truck full of non-points...

I'd be happy to, but I prefer my replies to make sense, which means I have to leave your lies, false claims, misunderstandings, utter nonsense, & the like the way you wrote them.

What a total faggot you are.

Here is your mistake for everyone to see...

A bunch of pointless crap from a fictional American film that has no claim of being factual even in the fictional world in which it is set, let alone the American portion of that fictional world.

No. They are not intertwined in the real world. In the real world Capitalism always leads to oligarchies and the like and it always boils down to be people being born better.

Meritocracies don't even truly exist on any large scale because creating a true Meritocracy is absurdly difficult.

Totally wrong.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No, I am not totally wrong. In reality Donald Trump is not ultra smart. He may be above average, he may not but he's not some paragon. He's not winning because of meritocracy (at least not alone.)

He is a man who recieved a million dollars to start his businesses. And that's on top of the top notch education he received and the connections that money can't buy. He's on top because of capitalism. Be born rich, die rich. It's really quite simple.

 

[Real_American17]

No, I am not totally wrong. In reality Donald Trump is not ultra smart. He may be above average, he may not but he's not some paragon. He's not winning because of meritocracy (at least not alone.)

Because our election process has devoled into demagoguery... the American People are fucking morons that care more about the shit nuggets in Nicki Minaj's ass than they do taxes, unemployment, government surveillance, etc.

He is a man who recieved a million dollars to start his businesses. And that's on top of the top notch education he received and the connections that money can't buy. He's on top because of capitalism. Be born rich, die rich. It's really quite simple.

Him getting a boost has nothing to do it being a meritocracy or not.

What do you want, every child to be taken from their parents and raised in a government orphanage? Have them all go to the same public school? If one is born with superior genes, should he be hobbled or lobotomized to make things more "fair"?

Everyone is born with advantages and disadvantages compared to everyone else, whether or not it is where they were raised, where they went to school, how much money their parent had, etc.

That is life, everyone starts out at different places in the race, all that matters is where you finish.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes is does. If you think him getting millions has nothing to do with a meritocracy you need to learn what one is. I don't believe in superior genes, I believe Stephen Hawking is brilliant. But regardless once you buy into superior genes meritocracy is a thing of the past.

No I don't want kids taken from their parents. I simply accept that meritocracy is impossible and seek to alter reality to make it closer to real.

 

[Real_American17]

Yes is does. If you think him getting millions has nothing to do with a meritocracy you need to learn what one is.

You are wrong.

Answer my question or fuck off.

"What do you want, every child to be taken from their parents and raised in a government orphanage? Have them all go to the same public school? If one is born with superior genes, should he be hobbled or lobotomized to make things more "fair"?"

I don't believe in superior genes

You are an idiot then.

You fucking liberals are all the same, anti-science ding-bats. Gender is a construct, race is a construct, etc.

Explain Brock Lesnar, if there isn't such a thing as superior genes.

I believe Stephen Hawking is brilliant.

But he got the short end of the stick when it came to his body.

But regardless once you buy into superior genes meritocracy is a thing of the past.

Wrong you brain-dead nigger.

It is not about where you start, but where you finish. Are you saying because some people are born geniuses, rich, or prime physical specimens, that they still don't have to compete?

News flash, the world is full of strong/fast, beautiful, intelligent/creative, determined, rich, etc. people and they have to compete against each other just like the poor, dumb, ugly, lazy, losers.

No I don't want kids taken from their parents. I simply accept that meritocracy is impossible and seek to alter reality to make it closer to real.

Because you are a degenerate progressive and deserve to be executed slowly!

I hope your mother dies of tumors!

 

[Sean Renaud]

No I don't want children taken from their parents. But unless you do that you don't have a meritocracy. Some kids will be born better and it's not because of genes it's because of class. After that we're just working out the details and the details here are vital. But still.

 

[Gwanji16]

Not a Real American at all

Folks,

No amount of facts will convince Mr. Real American 17 that his pretty fucked up world view is not at all close to reality. His views are much closer to Stalin's and maybe even Hitler's than to any real American. Don't waste your time or energy on this bigoted creep. It will lead to no good end.

Peace out

 

[Real_American17]

No I don't want children taken from their parents. But unless you do that you don't have a meritocracy. Some kids will be born better and it's not because of genes it's because of class. After that we're just working out the details and the details here are vital. But still.

You're an ignorant nigger, I'm wasting my time talking to you. Monkeys at the zoo have a better chance than you of processing these basic concepts.

No amount of facts will convince Mr. Real American 17 that his pretty fucked up world view is not at all close to reality. His views are much closer to Stalin's and maybe even Hitler's than to any real American. Don't waste your time or energy on this bigoted creep. It will lead to no good end.

You are just another progressive, communist, fascist, piece of shit.

You are the opposite of a real American like myself, if I meet you on the battlefield in the coming war I will take my time skinning you!

 

[sr71plt]

Folks,

No amount of facts will convince Mr. Real American 17 that his pretty fucked up world view is not at all close to reality. His views are much closer to Stalin's and maybe even Hitler's than to any real American. Don't waste your time or energy on this bigoted creep. It will lead to no good end.

Peace out

Probably just putting folks on. I've stopped reading the posts.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

No. They are not intertwined in the real world. In the real world Capitalism always leads to oligarchies and the like and it always boils down to be people being born better.

It never boils down to that.

1] I have no children, but my sole sibling has 4, all born the same exact way.

2] If you are talking about being born better meaning raised as a better-class person, that too is complete BS: This same sibling & a few other relatives are "homeschooling" their children. As I understand it, that means you can't teach your children what you want, but what books you buy online (or other ways) say. This means they will likely be taught Pluto is a planet, which I was also taught in public school, but was believed true then & is not (believed or actually) true now. Also, these same people may teach their children they are better/higher-class than others, but when people cannot get regardless of where/how you were born or if you have any level of college degree, this is the same level of BS as Pluto's planetary status.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It cannot boil down to anything else. Given time the rich will provide better educations, better connections and better tools for their children who will in all likelihood grow the family fortune. Eventually the rich win. They did before, they are now, they will again.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

It cannot boil down to anything else. Given time the rich will provide better educations, better connections and better tools for their children who will in all likelihood grow the family fortune. Eventually the rich win. They did before, they are now, they will again.

Unless people who realize that vote for people like Sanders who are saying they plan to do things to make less money available to the rich, etc.

Also, your first comment claims "It cannot boil down to anything else," which I may not possibly disagree more with.

1] The world has words like "choice" &/or "option" for a reason... Just look at how many more channels we have on TV vs. what our parents did, & half the movie theaters in my area have the # of different "rooms" (most showing different movies) in their name.

2] There is the chance "it cannot boil down to anything else", but who says it has to boil down to anything period?!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Unless people who realize that vote for people like Sanders who are saying they plan to do things to make less money available to the rich, etc.

Also, your first comment claims "It cannot boil down to anything else," which I may not possibly disagree more with.

1] The world has words like "choice" &/or "option" for a reason... Just look at how many more channels we have on TV vs. what our parents did, & half the movie theaters in my area have the # of different "rooms" (most showing different movies) in their name.

2] There is the chance "it cannot boil down to anything else", but who says it has to boil down to anything period?!

Sanders didn't say anythign about making less money available to the rich. Sorry that's not accurate.

1) Ignoring that choice and option are quite often illusions in the real world that's not the point. You talk about how many different channels we have six companies control most of those channels.

2) Reality says it has to boil down. People buy out competitors all the time. Or they start making so much money that other companies simply cannot do what they do.

 

[Iceprincess12]

Sanders didn't say anythign about making less money available to the rich. Sorry that's not accurate.

1) Ignoring that choice and option are quite often illusions in the real world that's not the point. You talk about how many different channels we have six companies control most of those channels.

2) Reality says it has to boil down. People buy out competitors all the time. Or they start making so much money that other companies simply cannot do what they do.

*wave*

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hiya je'taime.

 

[Real_American17]

Hiya je'taime.

A meritocracy does not require that all people start out in the exact same position...

Just watch Rocky or the Karate Kid!

This is impossible, wealth, parenting, environment, personal drive, genes, talent, education, etc. will all be different for different INDIVIDUALS... all that matters is how hard they try, how god they are, and how best they compete and navigate the world round them.

Is Brock Lesnar not a great wrestler because he was born with drastic genetic superiority for his sport?

Is Michael Phelps not a great swimmer because he was born with drastic genetic superiority for his sport?

Is Usain Bolt not a great sprinter because he was born with drastic genetic superiority for his sport?

They all trained very hard, but genetics still play a role, so does nutrition and the environment they grew-up in, and the activity level they displayed as developing children, etc.

I don't think you understand what a meritocracy is, you've been brainwashed into the progressive delusion on inter-sectional oppression, and equality of outcome nonsense spewed by the commie left.

 

[Sean Renaud]

IF everybody doesn't start out equal it's not really a true meritocracy. That's why we don't actually want a meritocracy in the United States, we just want to approximate one to the best of our ability.

It's been years since I watched the Karate Kid but nothing in the Rocky franchise suggests that Rocky didn't start out the same as all the others. We know Apollo's kid grew up okay but I doubt Apollo was upper class, or Clubbber Lang and after that Rocky was no longer the underdog in anyway shape or form.

Exactly, glad you realized meritocracies do not exist based on your own logic.

It's impossible to know if any of those guys are. Brock isn't better than Rock, Austin, Jericho or Hogan just off the top of my head. In ring skill he's could never touch Chris Benoit.

As for the other two I don't know.

I think you know exactly what a meritocracy is, that it doesn't exist in any real form and disagree that we should strive to give people a fair shot because much like Hitler your belief in genetic superiority gets shot to hell the moment a nigger succeeds.

 

[phrodeau]

The IRS is part of The People's government, so if we say that it should release a candidate's tax returns, it should do so.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Sanders didn't say anythign about making less money available to the rich. Sorry that's not accurate.

1) Ignoring that choice and option are quite often illusions in the real world that's not the point. You talk about how many different channels we have six companies control most of those channels.

2) Reality says it has to boil down. People buy out competitors all the time. Or they start making so much money that other companies simply cannot do what they do.

I never said precisely what he referred to. However, I know he referred to taxing the rich as much as the poor, if not more... That is accurate & the way it ought to be. (Trump for one would never OK that, since he is one of "the rich".)

Saying it's not the point is as correct as saying it in 2 sentences you chose to write as one, not to mention ironic since I can't count the number of times you've posted things that aren't true or on-topic or the point, to say nothing of posting something that only fits one of those. Also, nobody said anything about who owns anything (once again, you going off-topic b/c if forced to stay on it, you'd be forced to say things that were wrong or admit you know little-if-anything.)

There is no such thing as making that much money, & you say it has to boil down, while reality says no such thing. (Do you type with your eyes closed, or is it simply stupidity/ignorance that makes you confuse your thoughts &/or dreams with "reality"?)

 

[Sean Renaud]

Trump has actually said recently that he's okay with raising taxes on the rich. I'm not even sure I don't believe him since he's been a strong proponent of UHC for years so he might actually mean it.

Who owns various things is very much on topic especially if you follow the buy outs. This is about how money and power by their very nature concentrate into increasingly few hands.

Of course there is a such thing as making that much money.

 

[Real_American17]

IF everybody doesn't start out equal it's not really a true meritocracy.

Wrong. There are no utopias, it is as close to a meritocracy is as possible unless you want to follow my previous list.

It's been years since I watched the Karate Kid but nothing in the Rocky franchise suggests that Rocky didn't start out the same as all the others. We know Apollo's kid grew up okay but I doubt Apollo was upper class, or Clubbber Lang and after that Rocky was no longer the underdog in anyway shape or form.

Rock was not equals with Clubber, he won because of training and will power.

It's impossible to know if any of those guys are.

Anti-science retard.

Brock isn't better than Rock, Austin, Jericho or Hogan just off the top of my head.

You're high!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijvROJX4fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_pBkO1JrU

In ring skill he's could never touch Chris Benoit.

I'm not talking about that acting shit, I'm talking physically.

Plus Brock is a legit wrestler, way better than most of the WWE's roster.

I think you know exactly what a meritocracy is, that it doesn't exist in any real form

Wrong it does exist.

disagree that we should strive to give people a fair shot

What do you mean? You're the one against meritocracy. not me.

because much like Hitler your belief in genetic superiority gets shot to hell the moment a nigger succeeds.

No it doesn't, you don't understand meritocracy or genetic superiority.

It's not your fault, you're just a dumb nigger, you don't know any better.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You're right there are no utopias and that means no meritocracies. We can and should strive towards it but not pretend that it was.

Rock was superior to Clubber. Clubber was a thug from the streets who grew up rough. So was Rock, but with millions of dollars and expert trainers.

Kurt Angle is a legit wrestler, from the Olympics with the gold medals to prove it and leagues beyond Brock in all ways. And I was also talking physically about Chris Benoit. His acting skills were shit.

No, utopias don't exist. Don't go back on your word you were finally making progress. I'm not against meritocracy, I think the real world doesn't have them however and we shouldn't act as if that's how things function.

 

[Real_American17]

You're right there are no utopias and that means no meritocracies. We can and should strive towards it but not pretend that it was.

No, utopias don't exist. Don't go back on your word you were finally making progress. I'm not against meritocracy, I think the real world doesn't have them however and we shouldn't act as if that's how things function.

You are simply an entitled SJW/BLM brainwashed little nigger, I don't blame you for your stupidity.

Meritocracies are possible, it's how America should function, and it is complementary to capitalism.

Kurt Angle is a legit wrestler, from the Olympics with the gold medals to prove it and leagues beyond Brock in all ways.

Brock is a NCAA Division I champion, he chose to not go to Olympics. He is physically superior in every way to Kurt.

And I was also talking physically about Chris Benoit. His acting skills were shit.

He is physically superior in every way to Chris.

You are probably some skinny/fat, black nerd that watches Pro-Wrestling and thinks you know something about fighters/athletes, you don't.

Brock is a monster!

 

[Sean Renaud]

It is no way a complimentary system to capitalism. It's at best at odds with capitalism and youv'e already listed why meriticracies are impossible. You'd have to take kids from their parents and nobody is willing to go that far.

No, Brock is not physically superior to Chris in every way. He's a beast I'll grant him that but therea re lots of beasts. Batista, Bobby Lashley, young Triple H, young Hogan. Brock has an incredible in ring presence.

I'm a Marine who think he's knows a little about fighters and athletes yes. Not everything mind you and I'm quite knowledgable about the wrestling world.

 

[Real_American17]

It is no way a complimentary system to capitalism.

You are a worthless communist, you understand nothing of wither capitalism or meritocracism.

It's at best at odds with capitalism and youv'e already listed why meriticracies are impossible. You'd have to take kids from their parents and nobody is willing to go that far.

Re-read my post you dumb nigger.

I said that it among many other things would be needed for everyone to truly start from the same position. I didn't say that had anything to do with have a meritocracy.

No, Brock is not physically superior to Chris in every way. Batista, Bobby Lashley, young Triple H, young Hogan.

None of them compare to Brock, you are a moron.

I bet you see no difference between Allen Iverson and Shaquille O'Neal either?

I'm a Marine who think he's knows a little about fighters and athletes yes. Not everything mind you and I'm quite knowledgable about the wrestling world.

Fuck off, suddenly you're a Marine? Stolen valor!

Second that doesn't give you any insight into this topic, you may as well claim to be a balloon artist!