Why should candidates be expected to release their tax returns?

[Busybody]

The hell should I when your posts don't include any?!

While we're on questions, what Hussein is running for President? What candidate isn't in the public domain?

Trump

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Trump

Bull

 

[Busybody]

being a PUBLIC figure isnt the same as being in PUBLIC DOMAIN

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

being a PUBLIC figure isnt the same as being in PUBLIC DOMAIN

Look it up; Trump has had problems with the public & eminent domain before. Regardless, being a host & EP of a reality show, it gets no more public & reason for you to release tax records than he was pre-candidacy.

 

[Busybody]

By domain, I meant Public trough.....civil servant.....it's important to get their tax returns, cause we needs know how a poor person gets into office and on a salary of somewhat modest proportions


They become millionaires

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

By domain, I meant Public trough.....civil servant.....it's important to get their tax returns, cause we needs know how a poor person gets into office and on a salary of somewhat modest proportions


They become millionaires

1] We don't need to know that; If anything, quite the opposite. As Oscar-winner Trent Reznor once told an interviewer, the problem now as opposed to when he started with the Nails is any idiot can post videos on YouTube & get a record deal that would've taken the Nails & similar bands FAR longer to get (& to earn that much $)... If you learn how they did it, perhaps anybody would try, & some that are candidates now don't deserve to be (&/or aren't right to be candidates, let alone get the job).

2] Trump (for one) was a millionaire before he was ever a candidate, & Presidents of bankrupt/bankrupting (-others) companies make more than the heads of nations.

 

[Real_American17]

The thing is nobody knows that a natural born Citizen is

What?

Who is "nobody"? If your father is a citizen you are a citizen, now a days it applies to the mother also.

and that's a stupid requirement anyway.

So you would be fine with a future President being born and raised in North Korea? You'd be fine with someone having spent their entire life being indoctrinated to a society incompatible with our own somehow becoming President?

Neither are particularly important but between the two the tax records are easily more important. One shows the content of your character, the other the circumstances of your birth.

How does how much you pay in taxes show your character?

1] We don't need to know that; If anything, quite the opposite.

I think if you want to be a public servant, you need to reveal anything that might be important.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What?

Who is "nobody"? If your father is a citizen you are a citizen, now a days it applies to the mother also.

So you would be fine with a future President being born and raised in North Korea? You'd be fine with someone having spent their entire life being indoctrinated to a society incompatible with our own somehow becoming President?

How does how much you pay in taxes show your character?

I think if you want to be a public servant, you need to reveal anything that might be important.

Nobody, as in nobody. It's not written anywhere what actually qualifies you as a natural born citizen as opposed to a citizen. America tends to practice both Jus Soli (rights of the soil) and Jus Sanguinis (rights of the blood) which means if your parents (either of them) are American or you are both on American soil to include embassies and military bases you are a citizen. But the entire argument over McCain, Obama and Cruz is about doubting various parts of this generally accepted claim. Personally I find it no less absurd than claiming that a c-section disqualifies you from being president. But that is certainly not a natural birth. The reality is that nobody has ever definitively proved it.

Yes, I would be perfectly okay with someone raised anywhere becoming president. It seems stupid to disqualify people for the circumstances of their birth.

In the cases we're talking about with your taxes it's about knowing if you are either "cheating" (as we all know Trump is and the evidence heavily suggests that Romney was) or other unscrupulous things.

I agree they should reveal things that are important. I don't think your taxes or your birth certificate are particularly important.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

At the time that this provision was passed, this was a great fear of European powers planting agents in the United States who would then betray the Union to their masters. That fear has lessened, I think, since then. An immigrant who has served well, been naturalized, proven his or her loyalty better than some natural-born Americans, should indeed be permitted to seek the Presidency and hold it. All that needs to be done is to amend the Constitution.

And while we're at it, we can tack the "internal improvements" amendment that Presidents Madison and Monroe recommended during their administrations, which would go a long toward ending any remaining issues over many Federal programs, and we could crown our achievements with the Equal Rights Amendment for good measure.

 

[ewwboss]

Obama never had an issue showing his birth certificate. He showed it and proof of his citizen birth status multiple times, despite the sort of ridiculous need to show it at all given no one else has ever had to. That just wasn't good enough for the birther retards, so they needed a different type of birth certificate, which was not readily available to anyone... And of course, once that too was produced, it wasn't good enough either. But these people weren't after any truth or information, they were just deluding themselves into a fantasy for hopes of somehow rationalizing their ignorance.

Not showing your tax returns is absurd though. You want to be in charge of the finances of the entire country, but you won't show us how you used your own personal ones? Yeah, that's suspect.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

So you would be fine with a future President being born and raised in North Korea?

I think if you want to be a public servant, you need to reveal anything that might be important.

1] Why not let someone born elsewhere be the leader of this country? Americans are setting American buildings on fire & shooting other Americans at military bases/schools/churches all the time, whereas people come here from other countries, do jobs that other Americans that do the same jobs earn money doing & shoot nobody... Plus we keep sending Americans to die in countries we have no reason to be in.

2] Really?! I sat at a food court today, & have no clue if anyone working there was a legal citizen, nor what they pay on their taxes (if they pay them at all). Also, I go to "fast food" places all the time... I go to a McDonald's on the street I live on, & a lady that works there now lived 2 houses down from me growing-up. I have no clue her age, wage, taxes, or a million other things.

(Also, it goes back to the good chance we agree they should inform us of "anything that might be important", but disagree on what that is.)

 

[Real_American17]

And while we're at it, we can tack the "internal improvements" amendment that Presidents Madison and Monroe recommended during their administrations, which would go a long toward ending any remaining issues over many Federal programs...

Link?

1] Why not let someone born elsewhere be the leader of this country? Americans are setting American buildings on fire & shooting other Americans at military bases/schools/churches all the time, whereas people come here from other countries, do jobs that other Americans that do the same jobs earn money doing & shoot nobody... Plus we keep sending Americans to die in countries we have no reason to be in.

Totally insane statement. Could you imagine letting a born and bred commie from the USSR run for President in the US and win during the Cold War?

2] Really?! I sat at a food court today, & have no clue if anyone working there was a legal citizen, nor what they pay on their taxes (if they pay them at all). Also, I go to "fast food" places all the time... I go to a McDonald's on the street I live on, & a lady that works there now lived 2 houses down from me growing-up. I have no clue her age, wage, taxes, or a million other things.

People at food courts are not public servants.

Politicians, bureaucrats, government employees, etc.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Link?

Totally insane statement. Could you imagine letting a born and bred commie from the USSR run for President in the US and win during the Cold War?

People at food courts are not public servants.

Politicians, bureaucrats, government employees, etc.

Yes I can imagine letting a born and bred commie from the USSR run for president and win during the Cold War. Problem?

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Skipping posts ....

Expected? It should be REQUIRED by law that at least 10 years of returns be released prior to the conventions. Candidates should have NO say.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why? We really need to stake a step back and ask ourselves why we vet our candidates the way that we do.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Why? We really need to stake a step back and ask ourselves why we vet our candidates the way that we do.

No dirt unturned. Total and absolute transparency.

 

[sr71plt]

The president of the United States guides the scrutiny of how everyone else in the United States responds in accepting and paying their taxes.

Donald Trump prides himself in paying as little in taxes as he can avoid paying by fiddling the system, and there have been years that he's raked in millions of dollars and paid no or little in taxes. And now he won't open his books. We want a president with that sort of record and intent? If so, how the hell would we expect any of the nation's bills to be paid, including for the services that coddle such as Donald Trump? How could we see that the office wasn't been sold off?

You don't have to run for office. If you do, though, you should make your finances transparent. I hold security clearances and have had to reveal my financials annually for the last forty years. The president of the United States and anyone wanting to be (or a senator, representative, or governor, for that matter) can jolly well reveal where their income comes from too--and prove that they pay their fair share of taxes and aren't selling their influence (the most recent former governor of my state is in the slammer for doing just that, and so should be any other officeholder discovered doing it).

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

You don't have to run for office. If you do, though, you should make your finances transparent. I hold security clearances and have had to reveal my financials annually for the last forty years.

Yeah, I should probably change 'before the conventions' to 'upon filing their candidacy'. It really should be required from Day One.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Totally insane statement. Could you imagine letting a born and bred commie from the USSR run for President in the US and win during the Cold War?

Maybe, but I also can imagine entering the current Iraq war b/c of WMDs... Actually, neither, but I have to imagine the latter b/c we currently know they never truly existed as some thought at the time.

People at food courts are not public servants.

Politicians, bureaucrats, government employees, etc.

Right; At the food court, my tacos are handed to me. But at Steak 'n' Shake, they serve the public.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No dirt unturned. Total and absolute transparency.

Which doesn't seem to be a good system given the last few decades.

 

[Real_American17]

Yes I can imagine letting a born and bred commie from the USSR run for president and win during the Cold War. Problem?

Thiis alone says all we need to know about you.

Right; At the food court, my tacos are handed to me. But at Steak 'n' Shake, they serve the public.

You're either a troll or just stupid.

"A civil servant or public servant is a person in the public sector employed for a government department or agency." - Wikipedia.org

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Thiis alone says all we need to know about you.

You're either a troll or just stupid.

"A civil servant or public servant is a person in the public sector employed for a government department or agency." - Wikipedia.org

Actually, it's Option 2: I'm neither, & you know nothing your parents don't tell you. (Proof? You believe everything you read, even on places like Wikipedia that have been proven to be full of BS.)

 

[Real_American17]

Actually, it's Option 2: I'm neither, & you know nothing your parents don't tell you. (Proof? You believe everything you read, even on places like Wikipedia that have been proven to be full of BS.)

Option "2" was that you are stupid, which you proved with your next two sentences.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Option "2" was that you are stupid, which you proved with your next two sentences.

You said I was one or the other, both of which were possibilities presented in the same Option, that being that one of your presented possibilities was correct.

Option 2 was/is that all of them are wrong & you're an idiot, which was proven to be the case in both the former (proven by me) & the latter (which you continue to prove).

 

[Sean Renaud]

Thiis alone says all we need to know about you.

You're either a troll or just stupid.

"A civil servant or public servant is a person in the public sector employed for a government department or agency." - Wikipedia.org

Yes it does. That I can imagine things.