will the Uk gov give the people a new brexit referendum?

[CherryBosom]

Yea...like the truth is the UK is the EU's bitch, their ATM and cash cow.

That's as complex as it needs to be.

You don't need a "deal" (EU approval and leaving under EU approved conditions with EU fees and fines so they can continue to milk every pound they can.) the only thing you needed to do is give the EU the finger.

But being the good EU subjects you are, that's just not going to happen now is it??

Spoken like a true brexiteer. I don't see it so black and white. And no, we aren't going to give the finger. They're going to take it from us, and shove it up our arses for not having an actual plan other than trying to use time to passive-aggressively intimidate them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Spoken like a true brexiteer.

I'm a western English liberal and nationalist, so I do sympathize with those in the UK who want their nation back.

I don't see it so black and white.

What's so complicated about it?

And no, we aren't going to give the finger.
They're going to take it from us, and shove it up our arses for not having an actual plan other than trying to use time to passive-aggressively intimidate them.

Only if you let them, and with your heavy left leaning globalist who love that idea of the EU stamping out the UK being a majority?....I don't think you're wrong.

Sad. Thank GAWD that shit ain't ever happening in the USA.

 

[Sean]

Spoken like a true brexiteer. I don't see it so black and white. And no, we aren't going to give the finger. They're going to take it from us, and shove it up our arses for not having an actual plan other than trying to use time to passive-aggressively intimidate them.

He's an American troll that doesn't know what he's on about. Ignore is your best option.

 

[BotanyBoy]

He's an American troll that doesn't know what he's on about. Ignore is your best option.

Sean hides from anyone who doesn't agree with him and can't refute shit...ever.

Which is why he cowers in his own self imposed echo chamber.

 

[Wrong Element]

Didn't like how democracy worked out?

Have more elections until you get the "correct" results!!

LOL British "democracy" ....what a fucking joke.

But the whole point is what Sean said earlier: there's no majority for anything. The vote three years ago was to get rid of the status quo, but there isn't agreement on any one alternative.

People voted "Leave" without asking, "OK, so what the hell does 'Leave' entail?"

 

[Rightguide]

Brexit is the perfect illustration on how special interests have fractured society. Once a society is split into factions, neither side will bow to the will of the other. What happens is that there are not enough supporters on either side to create any unified path forward as a societal body.

It's all "my way or the highway". Which translates into "no way Jose".

How the British social elite act against the will of the voting majority. We just saw that happen right here at home.

 

[Sean]

How the British social elite act against the will of the voting majority. We just saw that happen right here at home.

Which elite would that be? All the hard core brexiteers are multi millionaire public school educated hedge fund managers.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But the whole point is what Sean said earlier: there's no majority for anything. The vote three years ago was to get rid of the status quo, but there isn't agreement on any one alternative.

There is only one alternative.....national sovereignty.

You know, what the vote, the democratic process demanded.

People voted "Leave" without asking, "OK, so what the hell does 'Leave' entail?"

Really simple, not taking orders from or paying taxes to the EU....BOOM! Just like that. Moving forward.....

The issue is there are still a lot of pro-EU/Globalist lefties there who prefer to live under the thumb of the Germans via Brussels.

They want to make this an IMPOSSIBLY complex issue, because then we can't!!

 

[Sean]

The argument for no second referendum seems to be "We voted for a Conservative government in 1924 so there is no need for another general election ever."

 

[Rightguide]

Which elite would that be? All the hard core brexiteers are multi millionaire public school educated hedge fund managers.

I don't know. It seems to me that somebody high up decided initially to conditions or constraints that would make it impossible to achieve the mandate of British voters. Maybe you can educate me as to why the will of the people isn't being carried out.

 

[lovetoread]

Which elite would that be? All the hard core brexiteers are multi millionaire public school educated hedge fund managers.

you might want to point out that the public schools here and over there are different things

 

[Sean]

I don't know. It seems to me that somebody high up decided initially to conditions or constraints that would make it impossible to achieve the mandate of British voters. Maybe you can educate me as to why the will of the people isn't being carried out.

What's the will of the people? 28% of British people voted for Brexit. And a significant portion of that 28% had no fucking idea what they were voting for.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The argument for no second referendum seems to be "We voted for a Conservative government in 1924 so there is no need for another general election ever."

More like you had a vote in 2016, not 1924, and if your "democracy" just runs more elections until it gets "correct" results according to the opposition?? Then your democracy is a farce.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What's the will of the people?

To leave the EU.

28% of British people voted for Brexit. And a significant portion of that 28% had no fucking idea what they were voting for.

And they won the election.....get over it or quit pretending to be a democracy.

 

[Wrong Element]

I didn't follow the vote all that closely, but I recall there was definitely an attitude on the part of those promoting Leave that "we're only going to be getting rid of the things about the EU that you don't like, but we're still going to be able to keep all the stuff you do like."

Now, predictably, people are learning it's not all that simple. The return of a hard border between the UK and EU member Ireland, something that no one seems to really want, would be a disaster. But figuring out how to avoid the need for that is proving almost impossible.

 

[Sean]

I didn't follow the vote all that closely, but I recall there was definitely an attitude on the part of those promoting Leave that "we're only going to be getting rid of the things about the EU that you don't like, but we're still going to be able to keep all the stuff you do like."

Now, predictably, people are learning it's not all that simple. The return of a hard border between the UK and EU member Ireland, something that no one seems to really want, would be a disaster. But figuring out how to avoid the need for that is proving almost impossible.

A hard border will destroy the Northern Ireland economy. And that's not hyperbole, it will totally destroy NI's economy.

 

[oggbashan]

A hard border will destroy the Northern Ireland economy. And that's not hyperbole, it will totally destroy NI's economy.

And would severely damage the economy to the South.

 

[Rightguide]

What's the will of the people? 28% of British people voted for Brexit. And a significant portion of that 28% had no fucking idea what they were voting for.

So what does that mean in real terms, the election result didn't count because 100% of the people didn't vote. What percentage of voters above 28% have to vote in order for an election to be legitimate in Britain?

 

[Sean]

So what does that mean in real terms, the election result didn't count because 100% of the people didn't vote. What percentage of voters above 28% have to vote in order for an election to be legitimate in Britain?

It wasn't an election, you fucking retard. Jesus Christ, at least do some basic fucking Googling before you jump into a subject you don't have the first clue about.

 

[Rightguide]

It wasn't an election, you fucking retard. Jesus Christ, at least do some basic fucking Googling before you jump into a subject you don't have the first clue about.

Oh, okay, my apologies, it was a referendum a vote. So, same question: What percentage of voters above 28% have to vote in order for a referendum to have legal meaning in Britain?

 

[oggbashan]

Oh, okay, my apologies, it was a referendum a vote. So, same question: What percentage of voters above 28% have to vote in order for a referendum to have legal meaning in Britain?

A referendum in the UK has no legal status. It is advisory only but both major political parties agreed to respect the result. No referendum on any subject has any mandatory status. The only binding decisions are Acts of Parliament.

'Respecting the result' appears to be meaningless.

In retrospect, the Conservative government didn't expect the result to be for leave and should perhaps have made the referendum more than just a simple majority.

 

[Rightguide]

A referendum in the UK has no legal status. It is advisory only but both major political parties agreed to respect the result. No referendum on any subject has any mandatory status. The only binding decisions are Acts of Parliament.

'Respecting the result' appears to be meaningless.

In retrospect, the Conservative government didn't expect the result to be for leave and should perhaps have made the referendum more than just a simple majority.

That makes more sense, here a referendum has legal authority. I wasn't aware the people of Britain did not have the right of self determination. So in essence the vote was a waste of time and the outcome, regardless of the vote, was predetermined?

 

[nickydra]

On the politics board I've pointed out that all British citizens holding a valid email address have the right to petition parliament, irrespective of age or where they live in the world.

I don't know if anyone has already mentioned it on this thread.

Please give consideration to adding your name to the 'Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU' petition currently running and breaking all records by rapidly closing in on 6 million names.

I'm unsure as to whether I can post a link but the thing is easy to google.

 

[CherryBosom]

On the politics board I've pointed out that all British citizens holding a valid email address have the right to petition parliament, irrespective of age or where they live in the world.

I don't know if anyone has already mentioned it on this thread.

Please give consideration to adding your name to the 'Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU' petition currently running and breaking all records by rapidly closing in on 6 million names.

I'm unsure as to whether I can post a link but the thing is easy to google.

I don't know if you know, but the debate date is set at 1st April. How...fitting?

Also, the reply is nothing unexpected. "We aren't going to do it."

It's an entertaining read, especially the part where it says trust is imperative.

 

[hobbit.]

A hard border will destroy the Northern Ireland economy. And that's not hyperbole, it will totally destroy NI's economy.

Every cloud has a silver ....as the saying goes. prop up the tories and , well, they trusted the tories and sold the rest of the country out for their own ends.

And would severely damage the economy to the South.

So its a win win then.