will the Uk gov give the people a new brexit referendum?

[nickydra]

Yes, if 'winning' means taking a delight in the hardship of others...

 

[oggbashan]

On the politics board I've pointed out that all British citizens holding a valid email address have the right to petition parliament, irrespective of age or where they live in the world.

I don't know if anyone has already mentioned it on this thread.

Please give consideration to adding your name to the 'Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU' petition currently running and breaking all records by rapidly closing in on 6 million names.

I'm unsure as to whether I can post a link but the thing is easy to google.

But anyone can have any number of valid email addresses.

 

[Sean]

 

[Sean]

None of this is about what's best for the country. It started as a way for the pig fucker to quiet dissent in the tory party and this afternoon it's disolved into trading stability for a tory leadership election.

 

[Sean]

So, on the eight indicative votes, none got even a simple majority.

 

[butters]

a hen with a knife? a racist horse? either preferable to thatcher's angry ghost....

 

[oggbashan]

As expected, the government rejected the petition, and separately MPs voted against it (as they did for all 7 other suggested options).

 

[butters]

what happens now, ogg? will the eu boot us out unceremoniously or will there be yet another extension to allow those running the country to get their shit together?

 

[Liar]

Do you want hard Brexit? No.
Do you want May's Brexit? No.
Corbyn's Brexit? No.
One of these other Brexits? No and no.
Should we ask the public? No.
Do you want to scrap Brexit? No.


Ok then.

 

[oggbashan]

what happens now, ogg? will the eu boot us out unceremoniously or will there be yet another extension to allow those running the country to get their shit together?

I, along with all MPs and most of the UK, don't know what will happen.

The EU are clear. They don't want us to leave. Not only do we pay a substantial part of the EU's budget but our trade with the rest of Europe is important. They are unlikely to agree to any extension without a clear resolution in sight.

The other EU fear is that Brexit might lead to other countries considering leaving too, and the EU mandarins want a closer political union as foreseen by Maastricht. The EU can't run a budget effectively but they suggest yet more powers for Brussels and an EU military force.

Mrs May's proposed resignation might get her deal just over the edge but the DUP are fiercely opposed to it because they see the Northern Ireland backstop as the means for the rest of Ireland to detach the North from the UK and create a United Ireland run from Dublin.

If the House of Commons doesn't vote for something soon, the default will be a No Deal in April and the financial consequences of that. That would damage the UK's economy but savage Ireland, North and South. The rest of the EU would also suffer but the UK's economy is probably in a better state to face a No Deal than most countries.

It's just a mess!

 

[Kantarii]

I feel sorry for all my friends across the pondKant

 

[BoyNextDoor]

And the pro-Brexit vote was because of the perceived ease of immigration and the cost of healthcare that accompanied it?

 

[Sean]

And the pro-Brexit vote was because of the perceived ease of immigration and the cost of healthcare that accompanied it?

Lots of racism on the leave side.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Lots of racism on the leave side.

Of course anything that's not pro-globalism/communism is immediately deemed racist.

I hope to god they stay and the EU just rat fucks the UK for everything it's worth and then dumps 10 million migrants in your lap.

People like Sean are why we should support Europe blowing it's brains out.

 

[Mr Noone]

So, on the eight indicative votes, none got even a simple majority.

Though one came in with only a nine vote defeat. Imagine if the DUP hadn't abstained with their ten votes? I forget which one that was, they'd probably voted against it if they had voted, but just imagine...

 

[Rightguide]

Of course anything that's not pro-globalism/communism is immediately deemed racist.

I hope to god they stay and the EU just rat fucks the UK for everything it's worth and then dumps 10 million migrants in your lap.

People like Sean are why we should support Europe blowing it's brains out.

It would serve them right.

 

[Rightguide]

I feel sorry for all my friends across the pondKant

According to Sean, only racists wanted to leave the EU.

 

[Sean]

According to Sean, only racists wanted to leave the EU.

When did I ever say that?

 

[oggbashan]

And the pro-Brexit vote was because of the perceived ease of immigration and the cost of healthcare that accompanied it?

The reasons for the Brexit vote have been simplified and demonised.

The majority of immigrants were and are from outside the EU. The numbers are massive compared to the UK's population and the infrastructure - including housing and transport were and are not coping. EU citizens were usually young people who came to work in the UK so were less of a strain on the NHS than other immigrant families.

Part of the reduction in EU citizens working in the UK has been increased opportunities in their country of origin, but young people still face massive levels of unemployment in Spain and Greece. The NHS, the care industry, hotels and restaurants in the UK depend significantly on the EU workers.

The UK takes and took a far smaller number of refugees than other EU countries like Greece, Italy and Spain. The illegal immigrants usually entered the UK legitimately for example as students and overstayed beyond the allowed time. But the UK is attractive to illegals because of high employment and no need to carry identity documentation.

 

[butters]

The reasons for the Brexit vote have been simplified and demonised.

The majority of immigrants were and are from outside the EU. The numbers are massive compared to the UK's population and the infrastructure - including housing and transport were and are not coping. EU citizens were usually young people who came to work in the UK so were less of a strain on the NHS than other immigrant families.

Part of the reduction in EU citizens working in the UK has been increased opportunities in their country of origin, but young people still face massive levels of unemployment in Spain and Greece. The NHS, the care industry, hotels and restaurants in the UK depend significantly on the EU workers.

The UK takes and took a far smaller number of refugees than other EU countries like Greece, Italy and Spain. The illegal immigrants usually entered the UK legitimately for example as students and overstayed beyond the allowed time. But the UK is attractive to illegals because of high employment and no need to carry identity documentation.

housing and infrastructure would have coped a whole lot better if the gov't hadn't dumped masses of immigrants/refugees into certain, already struggling, areas and had, instead, spread them out across the country. dagenham was one of those places that got dumped on. no, i don't blame the refugees; i do blame the politics behind deciding where to put the people. they weren't allowed to work and that caused even greater issues of tension that fed directly into the propaganda machine of the far right.

 

[hobbit.]

I, along with all MPs and most of the UK, don't know what will happen.

It's just a mess!

And its not like the brexit crew managed to get special camps set up for '' eastern european fuck ups'' shame really, ukip could have arranged sponsored executions, raise some money for the NHS.

Lots of racism on the leave side.

UKIP, racist? mon dieu

the only solution is to invade off shore europe, via calais or somewhere, and re-establish british (AKA English) rule. a sop to the EU would be gifting the six counties to the bog trotters.

 

[hobbit.]

housing and infrastructure would have coped a whole lot better if the gov't hadn't dumped masses of immigrants/refugees into certain, already struggling, areas and had, instead, spread them out across the country. dagenham was one of those places that got dumped on. no, i don't blame the refugees; i do blame the politics behind deciding where to put the people. they weren't allowed to work and that caused even greater issues of tension that fed directly into the propaganda machine of the far right.

could've rehomed them in northern ireland, help repopulate ireland after the spud famine, keep arlene happy and nigel quiet.

 

[stickygirl]

I don't read anything new here that hasn't already been said before. My guess is, because the fuckwits in parliament are too embarrassed to do otherwise, we'll leave with some sort of turd-shaped compromise. We'll spend the next ten years trying negotiate the final deal, then call another referendum. By which time the angry yesteryear generation will be dead and hopefully Europe will take us back.

Sorry if that's a bit harsh on the 60+ demographic, but it's a fact not a slight.

At some point a statistician will tell us how many squillions the UK has wasted in legal fees, never mind loss of jobs and GNP from this whole fucking charade. Hopefully too someone will have burnt the Murdochs and Barclays to a crisp

 

[Sean]

What followed was a masterclass in hypocrisy so severe that it was startling even in this golden age of consequence-free political lying. Boris Johnson, who not so long ago said May's deal "strapped a suicide vest around the UK" and turned it into a "vassal state", suddenly decided he supported it. Astonishing. Jacob Rees Mogg, who previously said the deal turned the UK into "a slave state" and that it constituted the "greatest vassalage since King John", also decided he was prepared to back it. Extraordinary. And now here they were, actively promoting our own national slavery on the basis that the prime minister might possibly step down at some unspecified point in the future.

It is the Nazi-Soviet pact of the Brexit debate: a deal so cynical it contains its own gravitational field. May is prepared to offer her resignation in exchange for the deal, on the basis that if it passes she probably won't have to see it through. The Brexit headbangers are prepared to support the deal in exchange for her resignation, on the basis that they will tear up the deal once she is gone. They are shaking hands with knives held behind their back.

And yet here we all are, locked into their swirling psychological horror story, trapped in this dreadful room with them, our national fate dependant on what these cynical, self-interested, mendacious, emotionally incontinent, ideologically deranged buffoons happen to decide at any given moment. Not one person in this rabble believes a single thing they are saying. It is a godawful mixture of religious zeal, personal ambition and tribal lunacy.

Ian Dunt

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/03/27/the-obscene-moral-spectacle-of-theresa-may-s-resignation

 

[butters]

What followed was a masterclass in hypocrisy so severe that it was startling even in this golden age of consequence-free political lying. Boris Johnson, who not so long ago said May's deal "strapped a suicide vest around the UK" and turned it into a "vassal state", suddenly decided he supported it. Astonishing. Jacob Rees Mogg, who previously said the deal turned the UK into "a slave state" and that it constituted the "greatest vassalage since King John", also decided he was prepared to back it. Extraordinary. And now here they were, actively promoting our own national slavery on the basis that the prime minister might possibly step down at some unspecified point in the future.

It is the Nazi-Soviet pact of the Brexit debate: a deal so cynical it contains its own gravitational field. May is prepared to offer her resignation in exchange for the deal, on the basis that if it passes she probably won't have to see it through. The Brexit headbangers are prepared to support the deal in exchange for her resignation, on the basis that they will tear up the deal once she is gone. They are shaking hands with knives held behind their back.

And yet here we all are, locked into their swirling psychological horror story, trapped in this dreadful room with them, our national fate dependant on what these cynical, self-interested, mendacious, emotionally incontinent, ideologically deranged buffoons happen to decide at any given moment. Not one person in this rabble believes a single thing they are saying. It is a godawful mixture of religious zeal, personal ambition and tribal lunacy.

Ian Dunt

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/03/27/the-obscene-moral-spectacle-of-theresa-may-s-resignation

getting more like america every damned day