Without Blacks, America would be a nice place to live…

[mercury14]

Aside from the factual data, which, for once, no one has challenged, fancy that, a novel in progress sees an uprising of Black Muslims, recruited in Prisons, the Black Liberation Theology people and Drug Cartel associates using arms shipped in my Islamic terrorists, to take over cities and Capitols in several southern States and along the Mississippi all the way to Chicago and an entire corridor from Lousiana to Michigan becomes Black America.

I think Holly asked the question, "what to do with them..." that is the problem in my novel that I have not yet addressed.

any suggestions?

amicus

You're a deeply fearful little man. Luckily people like you have no power.

 

[lustatopia]

Amicus,

Racism is the irrational discrimination of people based upon the colour of their skin. It always manifests itself on a personal level.

You have in the past rejected any attempt to pigeon hole your identity with generalisations about what people who believe what you believe are like. Yet now you claim that a statistical derived generalisation about a whole race is a moral justification for racism towards individuals?

Your hypocrisy reveals the weakness in your argument. Each and every human being commands the dignity to be judged on their own individual merits rather than those of someone's stereotype.

Don't even try to slip out with the "some one my best friends are black..." shit. ALL racism is racism because racism must manifest itself at the individual personal level.

Racism=hate. Justify that with statistics.

 

[amicus]

Amicus,

Racism is the irrational discrimination of people based upon the colour of their skin. It always manifests itself on a personal level.

You have in the past rejected any attempt to pigeon hole your identity with generalisations about what people who believe what you believe are like. Yet now you claim that a statistical derived generalisation about a whole race is a moral justification for racism towards individuals?

Your hypocrisy reveals the weakness in your argument. Each and every human being commands the dignity to be judged on their own individual merits rather than those of someone's stereotype.

Don't even try to slip out with the "some one my best friends are black..." shit. ALL racism is racism because racism must manifest itself at the individual personal level.

Racism=hate. Justify that with statistics.

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Even Liberal Juan Williams formerly of PBS, stated he felt anxiety when Muslims dressed as Muslims boarded the same aircraft he did.

I have lived in Black neighborhoods, every white person went around armed, put iron slats on their windows and never went out at night.

I agree that every individual should be judged on individual merit, not race, color or creed, but when a gro;up of Blacks becomes a Mob, there are no more individuals.

I would ask you to read the links I provided and then comment on the 'racial' statistics that Blacks are dangerous and lawless to a greater extent than any other racial or ethnic group.

It is an idealistic position you hold, but reality says otherwise.

amicus

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think Holly asked the question, "what to do with them..." that is the problem in my novel that I have not yet addressed.

any suggestions?

amicunt

I suggest you sell your self-published racist screeds over on Stormfront and FreeRepublic.

They seem to be your target demographic.

 

[unregistered]

 

[lustatopia]

Juan Williams would be disgusted and reject your view that "without blacks, America would be a nice place to live." He wouldn't touch you with a ten foot barge pole.

Pretending that you are interested in solving social problems associated with minority groups as an excuse for racism is disingenuous. That's what racists always say.

For those of us on the right who would like to sincerely and ethically debate social problems such as border control or Islamic extremism, people like you are pure poison.... Because we know you'll try to pretend we are on the same side. But you aren't.

There isn't one continuous political spectrum from extreme left to extreme right. Your morbidity lies on the far side of a deep moral abyss that can never be bridge.

My position is not idealistic at all. It's simply American pragmatism as outlined the Constitution and Bill of Rights. All people deserve to be judged on their individual merits not class, colour or religion. That's not idealism, but a pragmatic program for building an American nation upon.

Your statistics are completely non sequitur to the moral, pragmatic or philosophical point of this debate.

What you are trying to do is elevate a trope - that black people are dangerous - to a moral justification for racial vilification. That's circular reasoning. You racially vilify black people as dangerous, therefore your racial vilification of black people as dangerous is morally just?

Epic fail.

 

[amicus]

You Post is sufficient reason for any rational, objective person to stay away from the formal 'right' in the political spectrum, be it Conservative, Libertarian or just plain old Republican.

Claim to be 'right' as you may, you speak as a social Liberal, which, of course, you have every right to do. But to excoriate my position as you did, is also a Liberal habit, if you can't understand it, or agree with, then ridicule it; as if that accomplishes anything.

I suppose the NFL and the NBA don't illustrate the greater physical abilities of the Blacks either, eh?

Whether you acknowledge it or not, people have a right to be racist if they so choose.

Wake up, man, be real.

amicus

 

[amicus]

Have reviewed the FBI Uniformed Crime Report?

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I just glanced at it and browsed some of the additional links, any particular part of the report you had in mind...and thank you for the suggestion.

ami

 

[RobDownSouth]

If the blacks had listened to Bill Cosby and Jesse Peterson, instead of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, you'd see a much better class of blacks today.

IMO, Jackson fuck the blacks, by making them feel dependant, whitey owes you, etc.

Those two fuckers, history will show, fucked the Blacks for 40 years.

It's a damn shame.

Garbage Can's man-crush on Al Sharpton continues. This is the 46th post he's made about Reverend Al....

 

[Holly Delight]

...

I think Holly asked the question, "what to do with them..." that is the problem in my novel that I have not yet addressed.

any suggestions?

amicus

We need to unlink my name from your initial thread title.

You need to add that while Holly asked the question of what to do with them, she also changed who "them" is:

"Without [insert list of races here] who commit the most heinous crimes such as [insert heinous crimes list here], America would be a nicer place to live..."

The premise of my post is unrelated to yours.

Thanks for letting me add this correction.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Ethnic minorities (Blacks and Hispanics) are said to be genetically predisposed to having significantly lower IQ's, weaker immune systems, greater chances of developing certain diseases, and a slew of other apparently inherent ailments and disorders.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-inferiorIQ.htm

So it's no surprise that these people are more prone to criminality and corruption.

Apparently Asians are at the top of the list when it comes to high IQ's and genetic strengths. Even more so than whites.

 

[amicus]

Ethnic minorities (Blacks and Hispanics) are said to be genetically predisposed to having significantly lower IQ's, weaker immune systems, greater chances of developing certain diseases, and a slew of other apparently inherent ailments and disorders.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-inferiorIQ.htm

So it's no surprise that these people are more prone to criminality and corruption.

Apparently Asians are at the top of the list when it comes to high IQ's and genetic strengths. Even more so than whites.

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Shhhh...(that Blacks generally test 15% lower on IQ tests is a trade secret!)

(ami) I'm small and hiding...(NOT) smiles

 

[amicus]

We need to unlink my name from your initial thread title.

You need to add that while Holly asked the question of what to do with them, she also changed who "them" is:

"Without [insert list of races here] who commit the most heinous crimes such as [insert heinous crimes list here], America would be a nicer place to live..."

The premise of my post is unrelated to yours.

Thanks for letting me add this correction.

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I think Hussy asked the question, "what to do with them..." that is the problem in my novel that I have not yet addressed.

Done...fixed...smiles...bye...

ami

 

[lustatopia]

You Post is sufficient reason for any rational, objective person to stay away from the formal 'right' in the political spectrum, be it Conservative, Libertarian or just plain old Republican.

Claim to be 'right' as you may, you speak as a social Liberal, which, of course, you have every right to do. But to excoriate my position as you did, is also a Liberal habit, if you can't understand it, or agree with, then ridicule it; as if that accomplishes anything.

I suppose the NFL and the NBA don't illustrate the greater physical abilities of the Blacks either, eh?

Whether you acknowledge it or not, people have a right to be racist if they so choose.

Wake up, man, be real.

amicus

Amicus, I understand your so-called "position" better than you do. It's not a logical proposition at all, but a fear and hate-based abuse of statistical evidence to prop up a human malignancy as old as the tower of Babel.

You don't actually have a "right to be racist.." What the Bill of Right guarantees is your right to free expression. If you choose to use that right to express racial hatred, that's your business.

I didn't excoriate your "position" nearly as much as it deserves. What I did do was show that you are using false logic to justify racial hate.

You vilified all black Americans as dangerous by interpreting crime statistics to show that "America would be a better place without blacks" and then say that because you have vilified blacks as dangerous that is a moral justification for racial vilification. Wtf is that about?

Utter nonsense.

You keep repeat the same fallacy by bringing up evidence showing that black Americans are physically better at some sports than whites. No one is questioning that various human groups statistically vary in aptitudes. What The Bill of Rights and the Constitution says is that this fact does NOT justify racism in any form. That every person has the inalienable right to be judged only upon his own merits, not that of his class or group.

The founding fathers insisted upon the equality of all people not because they were idealistic liberals, (in fact, they knew it was but a distant goal in their day) but because it is the most pragmatic, rational and evidence-based proposition on which to build a healthy nation with a long term future...

Btw, by your own false logic the NBA and the NFL would be better if they banned all white players.

Speaking of low IQ's?

 

[renard_ruse]

Racism is a slur against a person, but what if prejudice against a racial group is justified by statistics? If you read the documentation below, you will discover that Black Crime, Drug use, school drop outs, bastard children and prison time, tops the statistics in every field.

Now I know the bleeding hearts will blame slavery and poverty, and there is a case to be made for that, but an appreciable number of African Americans have overcome the past and are productive law abiding citizens. But still, those who commit crimes are mainly Black and Hispanic, which means....

Its sad to see a poster self-destruct like this. Amicus, why are you starting these threads that you know will forever discredit you on the forum? It appears that you actually post stories and try to make friends here. You must know that you will be treated like person non-grata from now on. What's causing this orgy of these kinds of threads all of a sudden?

 

[Holly Delight]

Done...fixed...ignore...bye...


Holly

 

[amicus]

Nag, nag, nag, the Founding Fathers may indeed have been wise beyond our comprehension by refusing to grant Blacks, Indians and Women full rights. They also, following the Civil War had a program in place to send all Blacks back to Africa.

Someone posted a link to a wiki article on Racism, you might read that and learn the history of the Black people and how the rest of the world classified them.

I too, see and understand your point of view and even accept your rancor towards me. What you might understand is that I was a talk show host and Newpaper Reporter for many years and my style, with headlines or titles is to attract the eye and attention and my subjects are always controversial, on purpose.

The Bleeding Heart Liberal acceptance of Black violence and anti social behavior and the forgiveness offered by politically correct conservatives rankles my hide as the solutions of affirmative action and a host of government give-aways are not solving the problem and, in my view, have made it worse.

I do not know the solution, but sweeping it under the rug and smiling is a poor substitute for addressing it.

I suppose the eventual solution will be inter racial marriages until the race is diminished to a coffee mocha color and the rest are sent to Reservations, like recalcitrant Native Americans. But then, even that doesn't work as Rez Indians are alcoholics and trailer trash.

Life is never quite as simple as you seem to think.

What is your solution? Or do you even acknowledge a problem?

Prolly not.

Amicus

 

[Ishmael]

That's too many half's

*chuckle*

Ishmael

 

[eyer]

"Liberia is one of only two modern countries in Sub-Saharan Africa without roots in the European Scramble for Africa. Beginning in 1820, the region was colonized by freed American slaves with the help of the American Colonization Society, a private organization that believed ex-slaves would have greater freedom and equality in Africa. Slaves freed from slave ships were also sent there instead of being repatriated to their countries of origin. In 1847, these colonists founded the Republic of Liberia, establishing a government modeled on that of the United States and naming the capital city Monrovia after James Monroe, the fifth president of the United States and a prominent supporter of the colonization. The colonists, known as Americo-Liberians, monopolized the political and economic sectors of the country despite comprising only a small percentage of the largely indigenous population.

"The country began to modernize in the 1940s following investment by the United States during World War II and economic liberalization under President William Tubman. Liberia was a founding member of the United Nations and the Organization of African Unity. A military coup overthrew the Americo-Liberian establishment in 1980, marking the beginning of political and economic instability and two successive civil wars that left approximately 250,000 people dead and devastated the country's economy. A 2003 peace deal led to democratic elections in 2005. Today, Liberia is recovering from the lingering effects of the civil war and related economic dislocation, with about 85% of the population living below the international poverty line."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia

 

[warrior queen]

Nag, nag, nag, the Founding Fathers may indeed have been wise beyond our comprehension by refusing to grant Blacks, Indians and Women full rights. They also, following the Civil War had a program in place to send all Blacks back to Africa.

Someone posted a link to a wiki article on Racism, you might read that and learn the history of the Black people and how the rest of the world classified them.

I too, see and understand your point of view and even accept your rancor towards me. What you might understand is that I was a talk show host for many years and my style, with headlines or titles is to attract the eye and attention

<snip>

Amicus

I don't believe you had a media career of any type.
And if, God forbid, you did - my guess is you got fired.
That's why you're so bitter and twisted, right?
Did an African-American woman who was in the union get your job?

 

[amicus]

Thank you, Sir, appreciated...

ami

 

[RobDownSouth]

I don't believe you had a media career of any type.
And if, God forbid, you did - my guess is you got fired.
That's why you're so bitter and twisted, right?
Did an African-American woman who was in the union get your job?

Amicunt was a failed Rush Limbaugh-wannabee, who couldn't hack it on hate radio.

 

[lustatopia]

Nag, nag, nag, the Founding Fathers may indeed have been wise beyond our comprehension by refusing to grant Blacks, Indians and Women full rights. They also, following the Civil War had a program in place to send all Blacks back to Africa.

The Founding Fathers had a program in place to send blacks back to Africa? After the Civil war? Uh Huh.

OoooooKay, then.

 

[eyer]

"Myth #3: Lincoln championed equality and natural rights. His words and, more important, his actions, repudiate this myth."I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races," he announced in his Aug. 21, 1858, debate with Stephen Douglas. "I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position." And, "Free them [slaves] and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this. We cannot, then, make them equals."

"In Springfield, Ill., on July 17, 1858, Lincoln said, "What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races." On Sept. 18, 1858, in Charleston, Ill., he said: "I will to the very last stand by the law of this state, which forbids the marrying of white people with Negroes."

"Lincoln supported the Illinois Constitution, which prohibited the emigration of black people into the state, and he also supported the Illinois Black Codes, which deprived the small number of free blacks in the state any semblance of citizenship. He strongly supported the Fugitive Slave Act, which compelled Northern states to capture runaway slaves and return them to their owners. In his First Inaugural he pledged his support of a proposed constitutional amendment that had just passed the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives that would have prohibited the federal government from ever having the power "to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State." In his First Inaugural Lincoln advocated making this amendment "express and irrevocable."

"Lincoln was also a lifelong advocate of "colonization" or shipping all black people to Africa, Central America, Haiti--anywhere but here. "I cannot make it better known than it already is," he stated in a Dec. 1, 1862, Message to Congress, "that I strongly favor colonization." To Lincoln, blacks could be "equal," but not in the United States."

Let's put myths to rest by Thomas Dilorenzo

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo44.html

 

[amicus]

Its sad to see a poster self-destruct like this. Amicus, why are you starting these threads that you know will forever discredit you on the forum? It appears that you actually post stories and try to make friends here. You must know that you will be treated like person non-grata from now on. What's causing this orgy of these kinds of threads all of a sudden?

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That is rather sad, coming from you, renard_ruse.

I have read noobies being eviscerated on the GB and on the AH because of a mispelled word or a naive question. The GB has a reputation of being a cesspool of really nasty people and you single me out ?

Being opposed to abortion means I cherish human life. Opposing Homosexuality means I value the traditional family, values and virtues. Being an advocatte of a free market means I cherish and respect individual freedom. Pointing out the inordinate crime rate among Black and Hispanics means I am concerned about the breakdown of an orderly society. I know quite well that all these positions are in opposition to the sacred cows of the liberal progressive left...is that where you are coming from?

I doubt very much I will ever be persona non grata in any rational and objective discussions among educated people.

If you can't take the heat...?

Amicus Meritas Veritas