Young Justice: Outsiders (OOC)

[Sean Renaud]

I tend to keep it to a minimum but I honestly don't mind if someone moves my characters a bit.

I don't think Beast Boy touched the field, I think Remec is everybit as confused as I am about the specifics.

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Suddenly, their gaze was drawn to the semi truck that had delivered the genomorphs as it began to float above the hotel, revealing a series of rocket boosters underneath it. A glowing spherical force-field appeared around it, and the driver spoke out over a loudspeaker so that everyone in the hotel could hear. Anyone who looked outside would see the truck.

“This barrier is unbreachable,” he called out. “Well, at least in the short space of time before the bomb detonates. Yes, that's right – I've activated an explosive that can easily destroy everything within a half-mile radius. You can't stop it. You can't get through this barrier. And you can't save everybody. You have three minutes, and then boom! Hahaha!”*

The way it's written it sounds like the barrier is around the TRUCK which would prevent the explosion from doing much more than being pretty. Obviously that's not what happened and I assume you meant a dome over the building locking us in, not a sphere. Or perhaps you did mean a sphere (ignoring the collatoral damage it would cause or perhaps fully intending it since it prevents characters like Superman who can burrow through the Earth and for the sake of argument Ben either can't pass through it or is suffering a brainfart since Big Chill has the same intangibility powers as Martian Manhunters. (Of course the Omnitrix is as likely as not to screw up but that's not my point.

Without boring you with the physics if the truck is making the barrier and thus is partially outside it even if we couldn't go through the truck someone like superman holding a large peice of concrete would direct the explosion upward.

What I assumed, partially after reading how beast boy reacted was that the truck is INSIDE the dome and he pushed the truck farther up. The barrier is the same place it always was, just the truck is x feet closer to it now than it was before.

Assuming it's an actual sphere instead of just something roundish and can destroy everything in a halfmile radius the barrier itself would bet at bare minimum a half mile in every direction (save possibly down as I'm still treating as being equally likely to be a dome as a sphere. You tend to be very good about details being proper and precise but I'm in an RP where I had to rethink several things because someone was using countries and continents interchangibly.

From a purely pragmatic state the best play is to move the truck to one barrier and toss whatever you can on top in the process and then move everybody to the opposite side with as much stuff between them and it as possible. 1/2 mile radius =1 mile diameter, plus cover, plus Green Lanterns (who are already as powerful as the plot demands. It wouldn't be unprecedented for two of them to just wrap a bomb in a construct but I'm just assuming they can't because they can't. Hey they are also as weak as the plot demands.) And anybody else capable of putting up barriers of some sort and it would be survivable for most.

At Bats is bright enough to come up with that plan on the fly, I know Star wouldn't and Ben most likely wouldn't. But he does have one of those fantastic cases of as smart as the plot lets him be. Some days he's a dumb ass teen ager, but put him in a tight spot and the fucker's IQ gets jacked up by a couple dozen points.

 

[The Jeffinator]

The barrier is essentially the shield around the Enterprise, but it's the truck instead of the ship. If the bomb explodes, the shield emitter goes with it and thus the barrier fades. It's basically similar to if the Enterprise was floating above the hotel with its shields raised and then the warp core exploded. You never see an explosion contained within a shield when the device that emits the shield is destroyed.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The barrier is essentially the shield around the Enterprise, but it's the truck instead of the ship. If the bomb explodes, the shield emitter goes with it and thus the barrier fades. It's basically similar to if the Enterprise was floating above the hotel with its shields raised and then the warp core exploded. You never see an explosion contained within a shield when the device that emits the shield is destroyed.

Oh. Then ie was written correctly. In that case then yes, hitting the force field SHOULD move the truck. It's not anchored to anything but the truck so if you're strong enough to move the force field you're strong enough to move the entire thing.

Think of it like Green Lanterns. Wrapping themselves in their little sphere of energy protection DOES keep them from dying when Superman level characters punch the shield. IT does not however prevent Superman level characters from playing ping pong with them.

Of course that ultimately comes down to how powerful the rockets are. If Beast Boy can't hit hard enough to counteract the rockets, then he can't hit hard enough to counter act the rockets and it's just that simple. Again going back to GLs if an elephant is wrapped in a shield guess what I'm not doing? If you said "move the elephant!" You'd be correct because the shield is not what's preventing me from moving well over a ton of flesh and bone.

 

[The Jeffinator]

That's also assuming the shield is not hazardous to flesh, and that it acts physical enough that it can be lifted like a boulder. And since it is already in the air, for someone to push on the shield and cause the entire thing to go further up, they would need enough downward thrust to make that push in altitude.

For a visual reference, here's the Enterprise with the shields visible, though the barrier on the truck is more spherical than oval shaped.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o178/TheJeffinator/ent1_zps6whzii8q.jpg

 

[Sean Renaud]

It does presume that the barrier behaves like a solid. This is actually a plot point in some of the now noncannon Star Wars EU. Turns out the sheilds everybody uses are designed to protect against lasers cus that's what people use. Some jack ass decided to roll with old school missles and was tearing punks up left and right.

As for it being harmful to flesh that's less of an issue. I can shoulder rush a hot oven and (again assuming I can move it) it will move. I'll probably regret it forever and ever but I could do it.

And yes it presumes someone can hit hit hard enough. To move it, which again is ultimately a measure of the power of the truck. Just based on things we've seen Superman have trouble with (like catching 747s) I think it' safe to say if you aren't on par with Supes anything that has enough thrust to escape orbit isn't going anywhere because you hit it really hard.

 

[The Jeffinator]

I meant harmful to flesh as in like the blade of a lightsaber. Pushing against the shield with a flesh body seems to me to.be similar to someone grabbing a lightsaber blade and trying to crack it over their knee.

But even if you can press yourself against the shield and not get burnt, to move it is assuming the truck inside will stay in the center of the bubble and that the air inside between the barrier and the truck acts as part of that solid.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I agree on the first point. That is an assumption. One I would have made unless specified otherwise. Again, comics in general and DC in particular the major shield are things you can push against without hurting yourself. Not ALWAYS mind you. That's like asking if the gravity is earth regular and the air is breathable without a special filter. Sure lots of sci-fi shows DO have people check before taking of their gear but really the planets that aren't are usually clearly labeled. (We can of course chalk this up to if the planet wasn't inhabitable by regular humans nothing of importance would be found there.)

To the second the ship is generating the shield so while, again using GLs as an example it might get jostled around inside the shield odds are well above 50/50 that it wouldn't "fall out" of it's own shield. Honestly if it did that would be helpful to our heroes. Someone might be able to diffuse a bomb given three minutes.

 

[Remec]

The barrier is essentially the shield around the Enterprise, but it's the truck instead of the ship. If the bomb explodes, the shield emitter goes with it and thus the barrier fades. It's basically similar to if the Enterprise was floating above the hotel with its shields raised and then the warp core exploded. You never see an explosion contained within a shield when the device that emits the shield is destroyed.

Yeah, that's what I was picturing. A great floating ball of force field around a truck that was hovering on booster rockets with the intent that it would explode, the barrier would drop immediately, and the majority of the blast would be inflicted down to the hotel.

To be honest, I had not thought about the possibility that the force field would have detrimental effects to being touched. (As one would in, say, a brig in Star Trek, for example--not the ship's shields, those don't have that sort of effect.) But that could easily be something to be added in the post that details what happens when he moves to touch it--or if Lady K and Brillig touch it before he gets there, since he hasn't yet actually begun moving the bubble yet.

 

[GypsyGirl84]

But for the record, here is a good example of what someone might look like when getting the life choked out of them:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o178/TheJeffinator/spideygob1_zpsg0vb70m5.jpg

And for the record, in real life, I've seen people go into full blown panic when they couldn't get any air out of their regulator and would climb all over you and, again in real life, had people calmly signal that they had no air, and without panicking, waited for me to give them my regulator while I switched to my octopus. All without being able to breathe.

Cool drawing though.

As to the force field, Katherine wouldn't have any idea of the technology or consequences behind the shield, so would still want some way to get on top of it. And her plan of trying to use the sword's mystical properties, amplified by Brillig, is sooooo not going to work. Brillig may not understand the specifics, but he generally understands that it won't work. Won't stop Katherine from trying, though and, to be honest, even if she knew that there was only a .01% chance of succeeding, she'd still try. She isn't thinking about someone else trying to stop the explosion. Which is definitely a weakness on her part.

I don't know if Dazzle's could pop in or not, but the point is moot. She saw a real life Sith Lord. She ain't coming back.

 

[GypsyGirl84]

Yep, enchanted French/Italian girl out of time versus force field sounds icky.

On an unrelated note, what would the relationship between Manta (assuming he's AquaLad) and Tula and Garth be like?

 

[The Jeffinator]

Again, though, diving and doing recreational things, no matter how dangerous, is not the same as having someone stronger than you actively trying to crush your throat. The assumption I'm getting is that you are portraying Lady K as someone who is incapable of fear, at least for her own life. Even when a clone of Superman has her pinned down, his face of rage as he squeezing her throat to the point that he is about to crush it, she doesn't even have a look of fear in her eyes. The look when someone realizes, "This is it. Oh my god, he's crushing my throat!"

I'm sure those people you claim kept their cool would not be so calm if they were in that situation. I understand Lady K is different, but all I did was show a brief moment in time -- maybe just a second -- where she showed fear in her eyes as she was choked to death and realized she was about to actually die after such a long life. But I understand you are playing her as someone who would never ever have fear in their eyes for even a second, but you never put "incapable of fear" in her profile. Good thing Scarecrow didn't show up before you revealed that about Lady K, lol.

And in case you're wondering, the image is from Ultimate Spider-Man. Peter Parker is being choked by Norman Osborn/Green Goblin as Harry Osborn looks on in horror.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Some people are too stupid to be afraid of they just react "incorrectly".

Regardless we're comic heroes. One time Darkseid beat Batman through a wall and Batman basically to him "Go on, kill me. But I hope you can survive your planet blowing up."

 

[Lily_Wight]

And in case you're wondering, the image is from Ultimate Spider-Man. Peter Parker is being choked by Norman Osborn/Green Goblin as Harry Osborn looks on in horror.

I got that part. I WAS wondering about the shark though. Lol

 

[Sean Renaud]

I got that part. I WAS wondering about the shark though. Lol

You never saw my Super Ex-Girlfriend? Sharks a viable weapon! They will relentlessly chase people like evil eating machines!

 

[The Jeffinator]

LOL. The shark is from Osborn's tanks in his office. Those helicopters outside are piloted by SHIELD agents who had just unleashes their machine guns into Osborn's office in an attempt to kill him. The bullets shattered the windows and shark tanks, lol.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I wonder what sort of shark they actually are. Great Whites are stubborn asshole who starve themselves to death rather than live in captivity like polite fish. They look a bit big for blues. They could easily be bull sharks. They're big, mean and too fucking stupid to know they can't live in fresh water so they've been found all sorts of odd inland places. They are pretty sure one lake in Africa has a goddamn breeding population of the fuckers.

 

[GypsyGirl84]

Again, though, diving and doing recreational things, no matter how dangerous, is not the same as having someone stronger than you actively trying to crush your throat. The assumption I'm getting is that you are portraying Lady K as someone who is incapable of fear, at least for her own life. Even when a clone of Superman has her pinned down, his face of rage as he squeezing her throat to the point that he is about to crush it, she doesn't even have a look of fear in her eyes. The look when someone realizes, "This is it. Oh my god, he's crushing my throat!"

I'm sure those people you claim kept their cool would not be so calm if they were in that situation. I understand Lady K is different, but all I did was show a brief moment in time -- maybe just a second -- where she showed fear in her eyes as she was choked to death and realized she was about to actually die after such a long life. But I understand you are playing her as someone who would never ever have fear in their eyes for even a second, but you never put "incapable of fear" in her profile. Good thing Scarecrow didn't show up before you revealed that about Lady K, lol.

And in case you're wondering, the image is from Ultimate Spider-Man. Peter Parker is being choked by Norman Osborn/Green Goblin as Harry Osborn looks on in horror.

Jeff, if you had some actual experience at these things, your arguments would have credibility. But you don't, so they don't, and you don't. You've never pulled your main at 4500 feet, looked up, and seen it wrapped around itself, and had to decide if you could try to spin around and unwrap it, or cut your main and pull your reserve. And this is with every decision and action being done in seconds. You've never been ninety feet down, your regulator quits working, your dive partner is out of reach, and you have to make an emergency ascent, blowing air out constantly so that your lungs don't explode on the way up. You're dismissing this, but you've never been in any situation like this, or even in a situation where the possibility existed. When you guys argue force fields, I just go with the final decision, because seriously, what do I know about force fields in a starship, outside of a starship, whatever. When you guys argue about who could beat who, and sun chambers and shields and what not, again, I go with whatever you guys decide because, really, what do I know. By the same argument, when you dismiss troubles that can happen in sports like climbing, skydiving, scuba diving, I have to dismiss your arguments because, really, what do you know? You've never done anything like it, so any arguments you make are based on second hand knowledge and ignorance. You don't know the people who do these sports or traditions. For example, if you tell an experienced jumper about your first jump, you have to bring a case of beer, because that's the only way he will stay to listen you. Cute girl exception occasionally applies, but not often. People like their beer. I've jumped with guys who were rangers, and one guy who jumped barefoot, cutoffs and a tank top, regardless of the temperature. I've dove with Marines and archaeologists. Tennessee is actually the home of more cave diving than any other state in the US. There's a rock climbing gym on FM 1960 in Houston that I went to, and when I went on my first rock climbing trip to the Hill Country, one of the guys who led us was called "Sleepy", because if he could find a ledge big enough to lie down on, he could and would fall asleep. So Jeff, I can't comment on the people you know, because I would be speaking from ignorance, but me, I know quite a few people with cajones. If you want to continue the argument, you'll have to do it on your own, because frankly, this is one subject you are woefully ignorant about.

 

[GypsyGirl84]

I wonder what sort of shark they actually are. Great Whites are stubborn asshole who starve themselves to death rather than live in captivity like polite fish. They look a bit big for blues. They could easily be bull sharks. They're big, mean and too fucking stupid to know they can't live in fresh water so they've been found all sorts of odd inland places. They are pretty sure one lake in Africa has a goddamn breeding population of the fuckers.

I don't know if it's still there or not, but there was a transplanted nurse shark at one time in the Salt Lake City area. Seriously. No joke.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't know if it's still there or not, but there was a transplanted nurse shark at one time in the Salt Lake City area. Seriously. No joke.

I honestly don't know what specifically would prevent a shark from being just fine in a salt lake. I'm sure there is a difference between a one and actual oceans/seas but the only thing that comes to mind is the salt content is much higher than normal because it doesn't have a means of escape.

 

[GypsyGirl84]

I honestly don't know what specifically would prevent a shark from being just fine in a salt lake. I'm sure there is a difference between a one and actual oceans/seas but the only thing that comes to mind is the salt content is much higher than normal because it doesn't have a means of escape.

I would be lying if I started talking about the science of salinity, but a few of the lakes out there are the same temperature and salinity as the Caribbean. Love snowmobiling. Skiing...not so much. There's a picture of me floating around somewhere in a crumpled mess beside a cutout rabbit. Not my proudest moment

 

[Sean Renaud]

I never really got out of that sharks and dinosaurs phase as a kid so if you know more than me it's probably because you get paid to know more than me. I'm pretty decent on biology as a whole but don't ask me shit about chemistry. It involves math which may as well be fucking kryptonite.

 

[GypsyGirl84]

I never really got out of that sharks and dinosaurs phase as a kid so if you know more than me it's probably because you get paid to know more than me. I'm pretty decent on biology as a whole but don't ask me shit about chemistry. It involves math which may as well be fucking kryptonite.

Well, I get paid nothing, and know even less.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's a dirty lie and I shant have you disparage yourself. When you casually throw extra languages into your RP because you just have that knowledge to pull from you are not a know nothing!

 

[GypsyGirl84]

Knowing an extra language or two is nothing. There's a joke that goes like this:

What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual
What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual
What do you call someone who speaks just one language? American

Although, in all fairness, I've heard British substituted for American

 

[The Jeffinator]

You're right, I have never skydived before, but that has absolutely nothing to do with this. Lady K was not skydiving. You can't claim that because someone has no fear when problems arise in a recreational activity, that automatically means they won't show fear in their eyes when getting choked to death by an agressor. And since none of these people you talk about have ever experienced a superhuman clone crushing their throat, what do they know? These are fictional characters we are talking about, and you really want us to throw our real-life experiences back and forth to justify whether or not a fictional character would show fear in her eyes?

I assumed anyone would have fear in their eyes when they are pinned down and overpowered and an agressor is crushing their throat. You didn't mention anywhere that Lady K's brain was incapable of the sensation of fear. Its not really something conscious. It would just happened. Now you claim she cannot show fear, and that is fine. I changed my post. What I was arguing is that I was not wrong in posting that because I had no way of knowing she could not show fear or that it would upset you to the point that you would cite my percieved real-life shortcomings in that because you went skydiving and I didnt, you would somehow know better than me whether or not someone would show fear when getting choked to death? And if I am ignorant, doesn't that explain why I made the "mistake" of assuming Lady K would show fear?

And I may not have been skydiving, but I know plenty about fear. I've dealt with phobias my entire life and have also seen the fear in others' eyes in certain instances. The fear in my friend's eyes as he crashed the car we were in. The fear in my mother's eyes as my stepdad slammed her into the wall. The fear I probably showed in my own eyes the time a car slammed into where I was standing on a street corner and I just barely avoided getting killed.

That last time ended up making me laugh, though. I had just gotten off work and was waiting to cross the street to catch my bus home, and suddenly a car got rearended and came charging right towards me. I only got out of the way in time because I heard the glass shatter. If I had been wearing headphones and not heard it, I would have died right there. I stumbled over a dirt mount to get away, and looked back to see the car sitting right where I had been standing just a moment before. In that instance, I immediately starting laughing hysterically as I pictured what it would have looked like to see my fat ass trying to get out of the way, lol.