Young Justice/Teen Titans (OOC)

[Sean Renaud]

Guess I'll probably sneak one more post in then.

But that leads to the interesting question of how well known is Nth Metal? I mean I guess if we have to, we have to but I was hoping to get at least a little farther than this before Star found out he doesn't have ninja powers, just a necklace that would make any random punk a bad ass.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Well, this whole Illuminati group with Eiling and Waller has close ties to Vandal Savage, who I was imagining as being one of the first blacksmiths to work with Nth back when the Fall first happened, and it made him immortal. He stuck to the shadows during the Trigon Crisis and thus survived the battles that killed off most of the magic bloodlines. But his immortality also robbed him of his fertility, so he was never able to pass on his bloodline. Otherwise he would have just raped a bunch of women and sired his own mage army, lol.

So, the Cadmus employees would know about Nth, as would the JLA, since Zatara and Zatanna use it as well. But if you want Star to keep using the Nth without knowing he's using it, then it would be hard for him to be captured because the staff would immediately know his necklace was Nth... Hmmm... I'll think on that some and see if there is another way to approach this.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's not a must mind you. Or maybe he's worn it so long that the radiation (or whatever) has soaked in to him. So it's like Dumbo's feather in reverse if you get that? Like he can do it for a while (probably just enough to get through) and then when he gets it back he's stronger but he thinks it's just that his confidence was returned by getting it back?

 

[The Jeffinator]

But that seems kinda lame for him to believe, though, lol. "Yay! I got my necklace back and I am so enormously excited by it that I feel powerful again!" I'm pretty sure at that point Nightwing would point out its Nth, . I think I know of away we can avoid the collars or specifically disabling powers -- I'll have Psimon show up to psychically knock the team out and then he is about to erase their memories of Cadmus and reprogram them to kill the Justice League when Superboy overhears this and ultimately betrays his creators.

 

[Sean Renaud]

All sorts of people have lucky this, lucky that. We could have it where the clasp is damaged and they either can't remove it or the collars block nth given abilities so they don't really care.

 

[The Jeffinator]

I really like the Psimon idea because that gives Superboy even more incentive to rebel -- he's just seen all these incredible images of Superman in heroic action, and then he overhears Psimon saying he is going to reprogram the team to kill the Justice League, including Superman. Between his guilt and the innocence he felt when M'gann touched his mind, he can't stand by and let Psimon destroy the League. And since I already mentioned earlier that I was toying with the idea of having Psimon be the one who programmed the Sins but was away on other business during the attack, its not too much of a stretch.

He was in Bialya for a few days working for Queen Bee, and then he gets the call about invaders at Cadmus, he has someone teleport him back.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Oh, and to answer your question, Remec: Superboy is leaping forward in that pic, not flying.

 

[ChasNicollette]

While I appreciate that some of you are defending my concept, I think I should probably go. This thread has made me tear up in frustration often enough now that it's pretty clear that I don't belong here.

I want to argue that she's not a sexier version of Gizmo Duck, I want to protest this thing Kaldur's planning, but I can't protest the other without seemingly justifying the very thing I'd be arguing against.

Nat flatlines inside her armor laying there where Superboy beat the Hell out of her.

Feel free to have Cadmus make an evil clone of her at some point.

Cool runnings, everyone.

 

[The Jeffinator]

You don't have to quit, Chas -- its just an RP, don't let it effect you so much that you tear up. I mean, I understand if you are experiencing a lot of anxiety from the back and forth, you may feel like its best to go -- and I support your decision either way -- but just know that I don't want you to go. You are very creative and a talented writer, which is hard to come by sometimes in these forums. I am lucky in that I have a team of brilliant writers in my RP. We may have a lot of back and forth over stuff -- Sean and I have locked horns many times over the years -- but I value each and every one of you. Don't ever forget that.

*hugs Chas* *super group hug* *super group hug with just me and the females* *inappropriate touching* *sexy time*

 

[The Jeffinator]

If you guys want, you can check out a video I just made a few minutes ago with me baby-talking my kitties and playing with them, lol. It won't let me link to it directly, but it's the most recent thing I posted on my facebook wall: https://www.facebook.com/thejeffinator

 

[Tight_n_ready]

While I appreciate that some of you are defending my concept, I think I should probably go. This thread has made me tear up in frustration often enough now that it's pretty clear that I don't belong here.

I want to argue that she's not a sexier version of Gizmo Duck, I want to protest this thing Kaldur's planning, but I can't protest the other without seemingly justifying the very thing I'd be arguing against.

Nat flatlines inside her armor laying there where Superboy beat the Hell out of her.

Feel free to have Cadmus make an evil clone of her at some point.

Cool runnings, everyone.

If all I'm going to do by applying to both you and Jeff's apparent rules of 'scientific accuracy' is cause you to take a tantrum I think it's pretty clear I'm the one who is causing the problem.

I've had a shitty time in this RP anyway cause it's impossible to keep up, and basically pointless in reading the OOC cause most of it is irrelevant.

Laters...

 

[The Jeffinator]

And just like that, two females gone. *sighs* Well, there's really no point in continuing on then with our current setup. Unless we just bunny M'gann and Steel along and then write them out, and then gang-bang Tigress, lol. But without M'gann, it won't be as fun playing Superboy.

Gah. So much drama. This is supposed to be our escape from drama, lol. I don't know what to do now. I don't even want to bother working on my post if this RP is gonna die off and lose nearly half it's team. Oh well. Another one bites the dust, lol.

 

[ChasNicollette]

If all I'm going to do by applying to both you and Jeff's apparent rules of 'scientific accuracy' is cause you to take a tantrum I think it's pretty clear I'm the one who is causing the problem.

I've had a shitty time in this RP anyway cause it's impossible to keep up, and basically pointless in reading the OOC cause most of it is irrelevant.

Laters...

My problem here is not with you, Tight. I was extemely upset last night and wanted to quit in a huff, that would have been a tantrum. But having slept on things and still finding myself feeling the same way, I felt the mature thing to do would be to remove myself from a situation in which I am feeling unpleasant, and thereby remove my impediment to your playing your character in a way that's enjoyable to you.

Your portrayal of Miss Martian has been adorable, and I wouldn't seek to deprive the thread of that.

I'm sorry that you've had a shitty time. It sounds like they're taking measures to split off the off-topic discussions into an alternate thread, so maybe that'll be better soon?

This isn't the first time this thread has upset me and it would be silly to continue to subject myself to that, that's all. Natasha's succumbing to her wounds was just the cleanest break I could think of. Though I do hope it works out for everyone involved.

 

[Lachiyous]

*FFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOooooooooooosssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh*

This is universal. This is so much easier *SAID* than actually *DONE*...

...but wouldn't it be nice, if life would just allow for us to....

Well, I'll defer to Mister McFerrin here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

...and now, about those *HUGSSSS!*

On it, people --





Kay. That's all for me. Have a wonderful day all!



Hehe

*FFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOooooooooooosssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh*

 

[Sean Renaud]

Since this one is apparently dead I'll say my piece though anybody who's been following along kinda knows.

First, I don't think the IC has been going quickly at all, certainly not impossible to keep up with. The OOC got a quite a bit out of hand and I apologize for that. Because in large part that was me.

Second, dear fucking God Jeff, you need to get your OCD in check, cus it's a real pain in the ass. Especially when you insist upon rewriting the whole of DC history. You understand that DC itself resets every ten years (or so) specifically to avoid the Continuity Lock-Out that you some how manage to accomplish in a single post. What does and doesn't make sense to you is largely arbitrary and no matter how much sense it makes in your head that electromagnetically ripping the energy from Superboy's cells makes more sense than red sunlight weakening him, though you have no problem with yellow sunlight empowering people to the point of simply deciding to reject gravity, makes it difficult to even predict what will and won't set you off. Frankly it's taxing.

Third, Chas, I apologize if I kinda piled on that whole Gizmo Duck (haven't thought about that show in years, it reboots in 2017! On Disney XD) thing. I always thought that was kind of the point of guys like STeel and Ironman and Falcon and pretty much anybody with a suit. They were literally there to be brilliant and find creative ways to kick ass that leave the rest of the team staring in awe and saying "I didn't know you could do that." to which they reply "Well I wasn't sure [insert science talk] tried that and it worked!" Hell I specifically requested a tech guy because I think a team needs one. I would even qualify Reed and Spiderman under the category but like Batman that sometimes means "uh guys, I left my Street Sharks with lasers mounted to their heads repellant at the cave, we should go. Still my bust and I certainly didn't mean to frustrate.

Fourth, Tight, you were not a problem you were trying to mediate and frankly I wasn't doing my job there. I've played enough with Jeff that I should have been working harder at what you were doing. I sort of intentionally stayed out of this one on that front because I honestly feel like when it comes to Jeff that I have two modes, either I 'm mostly agreeing with him and finding his ideas fascinating OR I'm just pointing out all the reasons why he's either flat out wrong or over thinking it entirely to the point of driving everybody else bats.

Seriously Jeff, go write fanfic, or better yet write stories. You mangle the DC universe so much that you'd be better off making your own verse rather than trying to figure out how to make the DC universe fit your needs. You know how sometimes you see a kid trying to get a round peg in a square hole? Well that's often me, you are a kid trying to fit and octagon into a triangular whole. You have a hammer, a chisel, a saw and a file and goddamnit if the octagon won't give the triangle will! But you know what would be easier? Taking a whole piece of wood and cutting out the fucking shapes you want so they fit snuggly in their proper places.

Finally and this is mostly again at Jeff but partially at Chas (though she kept it admirably under control with the Kaldur thing) online RP especially in groups is basically improv and there is a rule in improv that you can't say no. You just go with the flow. This can ( especialy amongst young/inexperienced) players lead to some rediculous bullshit. I can easily see this pile up.

Bob: My character finds out that he's actually a space alien and his real name is Carrottop and he can fly!
The Devil: Well my character has a demon sealed inside him and could destroy the whole world and his name is Noodle!
God: Well my character is half Grim Reaper, Half Demon, Half Heavenly archer.
Bob & The Devil:. . . .The laws of math just changed didn't they and that adds up to 100% doesn't it.
God: Fuck you that's why.

And that takes sometime to get around, personally I tend to either play weak characters intentionally to get around that or Ben 10 (and you think Ironman and Steel are Swiss Army Knives. Neither one of them has shit on Ben on an average day forget Full Power Ben.

Anyway that got a little ranty and I'm sorry.

Later.

 

[The Jeffinator]

LOL. I already explained that before about the solar energy "defying gravity" thing. My version of Supes can fly in the same way as Iron Man -- by projecting energy outward. And I was more okay with the energy drain thing than the red sunlight because it seemed at least somewhat realistic that Steel's sensors could detect the stored solar energy in his body. Granted, it wasn't the perfect idea, but it sounded more likely to me than the red sunlight weakness.

And yes, my OCD might be a problem for others, but right from the beginning I showed that I had rewritten the origin and every single one of you knew that when you joined up. I understand with things like DC and Marvel, there are going to be some liberties with what is scientifically possible. But, as you have no doubt noticed, the things that I am okay with are things I can explain and rationalize at least somewhat. There is no way I could rationalize the red sunlight weakness in my head because, unless the radiation was actually harmful like Kryptonite, it wouldn't weaken Superman/Superboy, it would just be a lower power source. If you take a solar cell from one of our space probes and suddenly transport it to a system with a red giant, the radiation from the giant isn't going to make the solar battery suddenly deplete itself. It won't recharge as fast or at all, but the power that is already there would likely stay put until it was expended through normal operation. If you plug in your laptop using a lower wattage cord, it might not charge properly, but it won't make the battery go dead.

I was okay with Steel absorbing Superboy's energy because while he was fighting, he was drawing on that energy, which would likely show if Steel's AI was looking in infrared or heat auras. Maybe her actually ripping the energy out was a stretch, but it sounded better than the red sunlight weakness.

And now I am beginning to sound redundant, lol. I doubt I will continue RPing, but even if I do, there is a simple way to avoid my OCD -- don't join, haha. I still consider you all my friends, though, and I hope you stay in touch.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Third, Chas, I apologize if I kinda piled on that whole Gizmo Duck (haven't thought about that show in years, it reboots in 2017! On Disney XD) thing. I always thought that was kind of the point of guys like STeel and Ironman and Falcon and pretty much anybody with a suit. They were literally there to be brilliant and find creative ways to kick ass that leave the rest of the team staring in awe and saying "I didn't know you could do that." to which they reply "Well I wasn't sure [insert science talk] tried that and it worked!" Hell I specifically requested a tech guy because I think a team needs one. I would even qualify Reed and Spiderman under the category but like Batman that sometimes means "uh guys, I left my Street Sharks with lasers mounted to their heads repellant at the cave, we should go. Still my bust and I certainly didn't mean to frustrate.

We haven't always seen eye-to-eye over the course of this, but I've been grateful for this chance to get to know you better. I do hope we can write again together in the future-- Star had a lot of promise, and Steel was gonna recognize that once we got past the "first date" stage. Ah, for what might have been.

Finally and this is mostly again at Jeff but partially at Chas (though she kept it admirably under control with the Kaldur thing) online RP especially in groups is basically improv and there is a rule in improv that you can't say no. You just go with the flow. This can ( especialy amongst young/inexperienced) players lead to some rediculous bullshit. I can easily see this pile up.

Bob: My character finds out that he's actually a space alien and his real name is Carrottop and he can fly!
The Devil: Well my character has a demon sealed inside him and could destroy the whole world and his name is Noodle!
God: Well my character is half Grim Reaper, Half Demon, Half Heavenly archer.
Bob & The Devil:. . . .The laws of math just changed didn't they and that adds up to 100% doesn't it.
God: Fuck you that's why.

And that takes sometime to get around, personally I tend to either play weak characters intentionally to get around that or Ben 10 (and you think Ironman and Steel are Swiss Army Knives. Neither one of them has shit on Ben on an average day forget Full Power Ben.

While I agree that there's some going-with-the-flow to be had-- right in the RP guide on this selfsame forum, there's a guideline that says something like "don't contradict something that's already been posted." Like, one poster says "hey, nice hat," instead of your saying, "I'm not wearing a hat," you go, "hey, where did this hat come from?"

But this stuff was still in the planning stages and it kind of chilled me and made me feel sick to my stomach that Nubian was planning on his Kaldur's going all Prometheus on our team-- rendering my character insensate and using her signature weapon against the others in the process-- and never once was my consent sought or my input consulted? That's jarring, that's creepy as Hell, and absolutely I'm going to say "no" to that. If I'd been looped in at any point and someone said, "is this okay if I do this," I might have seen the dramatic potential in it. But that's not how it went down, and all I got was: "I'm going to take down your character and then use your legacy weapon roughly equivalent to Starman's Cosmic Rod to hurt the other characters."

This is cooperative storytelling, and I invest a lot of emotions in my characters-- and all Nubian did was give me flashbacks to the bullied helplessness I felt in school. I'm not amenable to that, nor will I be strongarmed into it, and neither should any other writer. This is escapist fantasy-- and while I don't judge people who do, I for one never daydream about having my agency removed and my person traumatized.

Add to that the list of reasons why it shouldn't have worked-- even an Atlantean would barely be able to lift her hammer without power armor, even if Lucy wasn't geo-locked, and if he was wearing power armor, she could hack it to take it down. But of course, my arguing this makes me seem like I'm trying to Mary Sue her-- which feeds back into others' complaint about my character's being able to do anything and everything the plot demands.

And no-- no, she couldn't. She can do a lot of things. But this was a thread that was going to include-- as you said-- an Omnitrix-- a Green Lantern Ring-- an element-bender-- I certainly wouldn't have been the only Swiss Army Knife in the toolbox.

Indeed, super-powerful telekinesis is so versatile it's basically a one-power powerset, that's why they gave Original Recipe Kon-El the tactile version to simulate so many of Superman's powers.

Sure, Steel could do a Hell of a lot. But she was in good company.

But the real turning-point here was that I was robbing another player of their fun-- "I'm out of options here because this other character's all center-of-attention." And that is absolutely a legitimate complaint. While I do enjoy the praise of other writers on the offchance it comes my way, I do not want to steal the spotlight from anyone else. The moment I started infringing on Tight's ability to play her character to an enjoyable level, I became a detriment to the thread. Add to that my mounting and repeated emotional disarray as a result of this OOC, and the solution to me became obvious-- remove myself, and quickly, to minimize the toxicity to myself and to maximize people's ability to engage in my absence.

Of course, that's all blown up like a scorched-Earth house of cards over a matter of hours. And I'll always blame myself for that.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Don't blame yourself, Chas. This RP would have blown up with or without you. Sean revealed he was holding back some feelings of anger towards me, and it likely would have come out sooner or later. He knew what he was getting into at the start of the RP, but that doesn't make his statement any less true -- I should not be RPing because I am always going to expect people to adhere to what I consider realistic. I have no control over the things I watch and the mistakes they make, but when I write, its different -- I have a voice.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Anger is a strong word. Just I know better.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Anger is a strong word. Just I know better.

Maybe annoyance was a better word? LOL.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Much. But I am accustomed to it.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Well, at least you won't have to be annoyed then by my RPs anymore, . After dreaming up so many story ideas that are again going to go unexplored -- as seems to be the case with all my RPs -- I really don't feel like writing at all for a while. I need to give my creativity and imagination a chance to "rebound" before I start planning out any kind of ongoing story again. So I'll probably give the creative juices a rest for a few months and just focus on playing video games. Once we slow down at work, I have a week's vacation I can use, so when I take that I'll probably bust ass and try to get out as much of a novel as I can.

 

[Lachiyous]

Why pull the plug, throw in the towel and all?

Why not salvage, continue on, and keep on...keeping on...?

If this were me and my roleplay, I'd offer this as my advice(and I'm doing this for you "The_Jeffinator" because I'd like for you to continue on...at least closer to that "Forever" goal...in terms of length/time a story is extending past...)

Step 1: Talk to Miss "tight_n_ready". Hear her out. Then state your case. Do your best-est to *CONVINCE* her to stay. If necessary, offer her chocolate and/or flowers. Also, compliment her lots! This will help your cause and put you in a favorable position! (and I would most certainly do this privately in message format)

Step 2: Recruit. Put up an advertisement in the 'existing/seeking' threads to put out the word. So people know that you are actively looking for more people. That always helps in generating interest. You can also private message anyone that may be on your 'list' of sorts!

Step 3: Have faith/preseverance. 'We' won't/can't get ANYWHERE if 'we' throw in the towel at the first/second hurdle that we come across my friend. This comes down to how much you personally want this -- your 'baby' -- roleplay to continue on.

Stuff happens. Life happens. People happen. You, "The_Jeffinator", just have to find a way to overcome 'obstacles'...so that you may continue on. Nothing can be easy. That much "I" personally have learned myself, GM'ing my game. But if you really want it. You can be doing stuff to put yourself -- and the roleplay -- in a position for success.

It's all about the effort. And again, how much you want that 'everlasting' roleplay goal so to speak!

Good luck either way!

 

[Sean Renaud]

For the record Jeff, I enjoy your creativity and RP, that's why half the time you don't even have to summon me to get me in. I accept you flaws and all. Doesn't stop me from wishing I could crawl through the ethernet and strangle you at times.

If you ever need or want someone to bounce ideas off when you're writing I'm good for it. Besides I might need to call in a favor or two from a nitpicker.

Finally. . .and Chas is gonna murder me in my sleep for this. . .but I have a sudden really bad urge to put together a Darkwing Duck RP.

 

[The Jeffinator]

I have actually already been messaging Tighty. I think she is set on leaving, and I doubt we could recruit anyone else because no one wants to deal with the drama that has unfolded in the OOC, lol. I was very excited about this RP and the potential stories and mission, but then both Chas and Tighty quit, and I'm just waiting for Lily to quit too since she seemed pretty pissed at the earlier drama and almost left then. So we're looking at potentially losing all our females in one shot. And I really have no desire now to continue on or relaunch it because I'm tired of people quitting on me or me driving them away or whatever. It's clear I will never have a long-lasting superhero RP, so I'm going to stop trying.

And Sean, I'm glad you enjoy my creativity and even though we butt heads, you've always been by my side and I always value your input.

And thanks, Lachy, for rooting for me .