Young Justice/Teen Titans (OOC)

[The Jeffinator]

He was surprised, but once it happened he understood how it happened. It wasn't "I have no idea how I'm here." It was "What the fuck. . .oh my god that's AWESOME!"

But my point was that Cell's claim that he could regenerate from the head was his mistake, not Akira's.

 

[Sean Renaud]

But my point was that Cell's claim that he could regenerate from the head was his mistake, not Akira's.

I guess that's possible. It's incredibly rare in fiction for characters not to explain their powers to the audience properly. Almost to the point of it being unheard of and given Akira's habit of making various goofs I tend to lean on he screwed up before he was so clever.

 

[Remec]

Haha, nice! Though, apparently Superboy can fly, lol.

PSsst. Remy, Super Boy can neither fly nor shoot lasers.

Since when? (Isn't he flying in that pic Jeff used?) Well, maybe he used his tactile TK to stop rolling and is holding himself up with it? (He still has that, right? I've never watched YJ and my Superboy knowledge is mostly pre-52)

 

[Sean Renaud]

Since when? (Isn't he flying in that pic Jeff used?) Well, maybe he used his tactile TK to stop rolling and is holding himself up with it? (He still has that, right? I've never watched YJ and my Superboy knowledge is mostly pre-52)

In Young Justice Superboy's powers are moderate Super Strength, super durability and . . .that's really about it. He's fast, but he's fast like the Hulk is fast. Basically he's a little bit better than Bane or Mammoth.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Here's a music video based on YJ Superboy that shows him in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9pFFo_yk8s

 

[Tight_n_ready]

Yeah, that could work. Her HUD could show his aura and when he hit her, the AI probably could have measured the force and was able to read the solar energy stored within him or something. Her attack could have a double effect -- absorbing his stored energy while also damaging him enough that whatever energy she doesn't absorb immediately depletes itself in an attempt to heal him. This will pretty much bring him to his knees, since he has no source to recharge where he is. He may still have a little energy left over when it's done, but at that point he won't be a huge threat to the team anymore on his own, though that's when the Sins will likely show back up, haha. Thank you for considering an alternative to the red sunlight idea .

Wait? So I don't need to do anything now?

Guys I am trying to keep up, but I'm coupling studies with other real life issues. It's hard enough that there's a massive time difference, but then the OOC dissolves into completely irrelevant things and it's incredibly difficult for me to actually find anything in here.

I was working on a post and then found this one...

So since we have a robotic swiss army knife what the fuck am I supposed to be here for?

 

[Sean Renaud]

You're perfectly fine, but she raises a good point Jeff, maybe you should open the lounge for off topic and leave this for genuine OOC.

 

[The Jeffinator]

I have been toying with the idea, though, of gradually enhancing Superboy's powers over time. I want to portray him as not having any vision or breath powers, but as he learns martial arts and meditation, he slowly improves channeling his stored solar energy, granting him flight and more control over where to allocate his energy, such as a harder punch or a faster run. However, these new techniques don't let him absorb any extra solar radiation, they just help him optimize what he already has. As such, if he's not careful, he can exhaust his energy reserves faster than he can refill them.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Wait? So I don't need to do anything now?

Guys I am trying to keep up, but I'm coupling studies with other real life issues. It's hard enough that there's a massive time difference, but then the OOC dissolves into completely irrelevant things and it's incredibly difficult for me to actually find anything in here.

I was working on a post and then found this one...

So since we have a robotic swiss army knife what the fuck am I supposed to be here for?

M'gann can still implant images of Superman. Once the Sins show back up, the team will become overwhelmed, and ultimately the plan is the same -- Superboy feels guilty after seeing the memories she gave him, and he decides to free them and help them escape.

You're perfectly fine, but she raises a good point Jeff, maybe you should open the lounge for off topic and leave this for genuine OOC.

You're right. We'll keep it strictly RP-related from now on.

 

[Tight_n_ready]

M'gann can still implant images of Superman. Once the Sins show back up, the team will become overwhelmed, and ultimately the plan is the same -- Superboy feels guilty after seeing the memories she gave him, and he decides to free them and help them escape.



You're right. We'll keep it strictly RP-related from now on.

Thank you.

And as to Steel draining the Solar energy from Superboy...

Really though? Seems a little OP to me. I mean it's a machine, and something like that will therefore have limits imposed not by it's maker, but by it's simple construction. EMPs, fair enough, geomagnetic lock, fair enough.

Ripping all of the solar energy out of someone's cells?

You'd need an electromagnetic field specifically calibrated to pull out that specific type of energy for a start, and the power to still do so. I thought Steel was supposed to have blown most of her power on electrocuting the Sins? Or is there some other post buried in here where that idea was refuted?

A hammer built to release EMPs and geomagnetically lock simply wouldn't have the correct kind of electromagnetic field to do so. You'd need to build a specific generator to do that, one that can be manipulated to every point of the magnetic spectrum. And there are limits to that, it would probably add a significant amount of weight and size to the hammer for a start...

 

[The Jeffinator]

I liked that idea better than the red sunlight one, lol. I agree, it does seem a little OP, but I am trying to gear this towards a path that everyone can agree with without setting off my OCD too bad. The red sunlight thing seemed really important to Chas, even through I hated it. When she offered up an alternative, I jumped on it because it didn't set off my OCD as much. She had already stated in her character profile that the suit could absorb energy, and it seems like it was be at least possible that while Superboy was using his energy to attack, her suit's AI could detect it using infrared or something.

I guess I just dislike the power absorption idea far less than the red sunlight idea, lol.

 

[Tight_n_ready]

I liked that idea better than the red sunlight one, lol. I agree, it does seem a little OP, but I am trying to gear this towards a path that everyone can agree with without setting off my OCD too bad. The red sunlight thing seemed really important to Chas, even through I hated it. When she offered up an alternative, I jumped on it because it didn't set off my OCD as much. She had already stated in her character profile that the suit could absorb energy, and it seems like it was be at least possible that while Superboy was using his energy to attack, her suit's AI could detect it using infrared or something.

I guess I just dislike the power absorption idea far less than the red sunlight idea, lol.

He's not giving off that energy though, he's using it, withing his own form. In just the same way a human would use the energy within their own cells, only far more efficiently and effectively.

Energy System: While its main power source is an array of solar cells, it's also able to absorb heat and electricity to replenish its energy reserves.

I don't see anything there about being able to rip the energy from someone's cells. The idea of being able to do it without simply killing them is shaky at best. If your cells are suddenly all deprived of energy, you would die, I don't give a shit if you're Kryptonian, it's a biological fact even they can't get around.

Ok, lets say she somehow can reconfigure her hammer in the very small amount of time available, and she can do it without taking it apart. And she can do it in such a way that it can extract the energy from Superboy's cells. Without time for testing and fine tuning, she's risking, if not guaranteeing murder...

 

[Nubian_Legend]

What are the limits of this hammer exactly? If she can siphon stored thermal energy with it, it makes you wonder what it can't do. I would think after it's energy limit has been capped, it's fairly pointless(well not pointless but restricted) without another charge? It can only absorb so much stored energy, correct?

I was thinking of having Kaldur supercharge Natasha's Hammer with his electro-hydro bolts or whatever then assume control of it to go after the rest of team in his initial encounter, after he's already used it on her. He may not be able to use it as effectively as she does with all the extra perks, but it's a blunt conduit all the same. I always thought the energy absorption feature was a passive trait of the hammer.

 

[Sean Renaud]

How bout this. Fuck it. Miss Martian has already engaged and that's supposed to end the conflict, though we normally don't have a MM.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Yeah.

I only suggested the EM-siphon effect as a compromise to Jeff because he couldn't get traction on the red sun notion. I just wanted to offer another canonical maneuver by which we could slow down Superboy enough to get him to listen to us.

I certainly didn't expect Jeff to suggest it would essentially cripple Superboy with one strike-- the hammer's nowhere near as powerful or efficient an electromagnetic conduit as Triumph was.

And I certainly didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings or cause anyone to feel maligned or sidelined, Tight, please believe me on that. It was an attempt to ameliorate a person's feelings that was my sole motivation, and causing any further disheartening to anyone else is something I deeply regret.

All I was thinking of was one hard zap, a little wind out of the sails, I certainly didn't want to one-shot Superboy or take away from Miss Martian's value.

To clarify: the armor cannot absorb energy through its skin like Bishop or The Parasite. I'm going to fix that wording in Steel's profile in a minute-- she can plug into multiple varieties of power source to recharge in the absence of focused photovoltaic energies. Lucy the Hammer was meant to be capable of a variety of electromagnetic effects, including EMPs-- and I took liberties with that when Nightwing asked Steel to fry up some zombies. My attempt to compromise with Jeff on sci-fi-entific issues was then derived from an extrapolation on those events.

Again, I am sorry for any discontent I may have inadvertently caused.

Tech characters are meant to have a wide variety of applications, as they are inventive by their very nature. I didn't expect the "Swiss Army knife" nature of Nat to be an unpleasant thing, nor to be a pejorative. I confess that that stung, more than a little, though I can understand it came from a place in which you felt your character was being rendered superfluous, and that can very much sting, too.

In any case, Sean is quite right.

This is moot.

The fight is over. With Superboy, at least.

 

[Nubian_Legend]

Yeah.

I only suggested the EM-siphon effect as a compromise to Jeff because he couldn't get traction on the red sun notion. I just wanted to offer another canonical maneuver by which we could slow down Superboy enough to get him to listen to us.

I certainly didn't expect Jeff to suggest it would essentially cripple Superboy with one strike-- the hammer's nowhere near as powerful or efficient an electromagnetic conduit as Triumph was.

And I certainly didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings or cause anyone to feel maligned or sidelined, Tight, please believe me on that. It was an attempt to ameliorate a person's feelings that was my sole motivation, and causing any further disheartening to anyone else is something I deeply regret.

All I was thinking of was one hard zap, a little wind out of the sails, I certainly didn't want to one-shot Superboy or take away from Miss Martian's value.

To clarify: the armor cannot absorb energy through its skin like Bishop or The Parasite. I'm going to fix that wording in Steel's profile in a minute-- she can plug into multiple varieties of power source to recharge in the absence of focused photovoltaic energies. Lucy the Hammer was meant to be capable of a variety of electromagnetic effects, including EMPs-- and I took liberties with that when Nightwing asked Steel to fry up some zombies. My attempt to compromise with Jeff on sci-fi-entific issues was then derived from an extrapolation on those events.

Again, I am sorry for any discontent I may have inadvertently caused.

Tech characters are meant to have a wide variety of applications, as they are inventive by their very nature. I didn't expect the "Swiss Army knife" nature of Nat to be an unpleasant thing, nor to be a pejorative. I confess that that stung, more than a little, though I can understand it came from a place in which you felt your character was being rendered superfluous, and that can very much sting, too.

In any case, Sean is quite right.

This is moot.

The fight is over. With Superboy, at least.

I thought that's how it worked as well. I don't think that hammer could drain all of a kryptonians lifeforce in one setting, or it would cap out like I said. I think people are willing to accept a wide range of ingenuitive uses from the resident tech expert , so long as they come with some definable limits. I don't mind your swiss army knife analogy. I didn't see why an apology is needed , its not like you've acted this out in-rp yet, we're merely going over the specifics of how an application would work for the rp , trial and error is to be expected.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Well the plan wasn't to have Superboy immediately turn good -- he still allows the Team to be captured, but then feels guilty afterward and helps them escape. The memories of Superman will anger him even more at first, but will ultimately bring him around to the side of good. So, M'gann's psychic implants will help in the long term, but in the short term, he is still their enemy.

But to push us past this battle, in my next post I'll have the Sins show back up and the team can be temporarily captured until Superboy frees them.

 

[The Jeffinator]

And I wasn't suggesting the hammer took all his stored energy, I was saying it would take a large amount the the rest would be spent on healing him from the attack when she threw electricity back at him. Plus he's already expended some energy in the fight so far. He's pretty much acting like a berserker and isn't paying attention to energy conservation.

 

[ChasNicollette]

I was thinking of having Kaldur supercharge Natasha's Hammer with his electro-hydro bolts or whatever then assume control of it to go after the rest of team in his initial encounter, after he's already used it on her. He may not be able to use it as effectively as she does with all the extra perks, but it's a blunt conduit all the same. I always thought the energy absorption feature was a passive trait of the hammer.

You'd have to get it away from her in such a way that she couldn't geo-lock it or summon it back to herself. I'm not saying it's not possible, but-- yyyyyeah.

 

[Nubian_Legend]

You'd have to get it away from her in such a way that she couldn't geo-lock it or summon it back to herself. I'm not saying it's not possible, but-- yyyyyeah.

I don't intend to have Kaldur wield it for very long, just long enough to make a difference. He'd probably do something to keep her a bit loopy, sorta disoriented. I also have a few more gambits in the works. Speaking of which, does it ever get hot in that soup can of hers? I imagine she needs to relieve herself with something... cool on the inside

 

[Lily_Wight]

Tech characters are meant to have a wide variety of applications, as they are inventive by their very nature. I didn't expect the "Swiss Army knife" nature of Nat to be an unpleasant thing, nor to be a pejorative.

I believe the term is Do Anything Robot.

 

[Lily_Wight]

Since when? (Isn't he flying in that pic Jeff used?) Well, maybe he used his tactile TK to stop rolling and is holding himself up with it? (He still has that, right? I've never watched YJ and my Superboy knowledge is mostly pre-52)

New 52 Superboy uses Tactile TK too. I'm not sure which one I like better.

Young Justice version of superboy is a more accurate clone of a Kryptonian than they achieved in the comics. His powers more closely mirror those of superman at a younger age than the comic version who approximates his powers via TK.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think Swiss Army Knife sounds cooler than Do Anything Robot if you're asking my opinion. And I don't find it unpleasant at all. Teams need a gadgeteer for exactly the situation we hit. The only one of us with enough clout to take out Sins was Miss Martian without Steel.

Having watched the clips I think Star, Nightwing and Tigress would all have hit the same wall with the sins. There is a certain amount of power that no skill can overwhelm (no matter what Batman would have you believe) and they'd put a helluva fight but sooner or later exhaustion or bad luck would catch up with them. (Though between trick arrows, smoke bombs and grapples and flash stepping they could probably all GTFO)

 

[Lily_Wight]

I think Swiss Army Knife sounds cooler than Do Anything Robot if you're asking my opinion. And I don't find it unpleasant at all. Teams need a gadgeteer for exactly the situation we hit. The only one of us with enough clout to take out Sins was Miss Martian without Steel.

Having watched the clips I think Star, Nightwing and Tigress would all have hit the same wall with the sins. There is a certain amount of power that no skill can overwhelm (no matter what Batman would have you believe) and they'd put a helluva fight but sooner or later exhaustion or bad luck would catch up with them. (Though between trick arrows, smoke bombs and grapples and flash stepping they could probably all GTFO)

Now that I know what I'm up against, I'll just use my skill and a heathy dose of magnesium phosphorus grenades.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Without the others, Nightwing would have been killed by Pride. And even if he somehow survived, if Beast Boy wasn't there, Superboy would have killed him. Hmmm... Wouldn't it be cool if Beast Boy eventually learned how to take on multiple animal forms at once, essentially becoming various chimeras? One way he could defeat a powerful enemy is to have the length of an anaconda, wrap around someone, and then shock them like an electric eel while slipping his mouth over their head to asphyxiate them just enough to knock them out, lol. Or be a T-Rex with gorilla arms and octopus tentacles coming out of his back like Doc Ock. And his fingers could act as mini electric eels, hahaha. Oh how my mind wonders.

So when I get home, I'll make a post getting us captured and then rescued by Superboy. I'll also make a new issue cover and officially end #1 with their capture and #2 will open with them waking up to find all the super-powered heroes are wearing Belle Reve collars. Then my post will close with Superboy freeing them.