Young Justice/Teen Titans (OOC)

[ChasNicollette]

That's a fair distinction, and one I'd not considered. A GMPC is still a PC, after all.

Thank you for your graciousness, Jeff, I'll definitely keep that open offer in mind.

As regards the kryptonite, I see where you're coming from there. It was more the feeling that my specific ideas were being dismissed out of hand when I felt my reasoning was sound and precedented. Next time, I'll not be so hellbent.

 

[Tight_n_ready]

I'm still here I guess, though I'm sorry to see Chas go

 

[The Jeffinator]

I'm sorry to see Chas go too .

 

[Lily_Wight]

You keep bringing up the "bad science". Even when you know it bothers people.

I think we all understand that comics are scientifically inaccurate. What drives me crazy is that you have this arbitrary line where you will accept some pseudo science and then get bent out of shape by something else, and we all have to tiptoe through your "science" trigger minefield.

 

[The Jeffinator]

But any if the science I accept I have provided explanations for, so it's not like that line is imaginary or unfounded. So far with this RP, what have been my main problems? Black holes uses as portals, because black holes are not actually holes, but extremely dense objects; too much magic set in a low magic world; red solar radiation causing a solar battery to rapidly release energy stored from radiation from a white star.

What is so unacceptable about having problems with these things? How is the line arbitrary? What things that I do accept have I not explained properly?

 

[Remec]

No, you shouldn't have backed down because I'm the GM, but because Superboy was my character and I wasn't planning on playing him with the red sunlight weakness. Regardless of my role as the GM, it was my decision what weaknesses my own character had, no one else's. And considering my version of Superboy is much weaker than his comics counterpart, it shouldn't have been a big deal for me to remove that weakness since I did have a logical reason.

I think that's another reason why these rps don't really last compared to some others; if you're the DM, by definition anyone and anything that we (the players, as it were) aren't using as characters are your characters. You seem to always get invested--emotionally, psychologically, whatever--with three or four or six specific characters and I think that tends to skew your ability to be as impartial and administrative as a good DM/judge needs to be.

 

[Remec]

But any if the science I accept I have provided explanations for, so it's not like that line is imaginary or unfounded. So far with this RP, what have been my main problems? Black holes uses as portals, because black holes are not actually holes, but extremely dense objects; too much magic set in a low magic world; red solar radiation causing a solar battery to rapidly release energy stored from radiation from a white star.

What is so unacceptable about having problems with these things? How is the line arbitrary? What things that I do accept have I not explained properly?

No one knows that black holes aren't portals. By their very definition, they are vacant things that suck in even photons from around them.

I think you're too fixated on the concept of Kryptonians as living solar batteries. I think it's more like under the specific radiation generated by a "red" sun that their bodies cannot utilize any power gathered in the cells for anything besides the usual biological functions that any cell in any living creature might use it for, but under a "yellow" sun they rapidly gather in more power than is necessary and can expend this energy in a number of ways that may or may not be unique to any given individual.

So, even when "fully charged", when you subject them to a "red" sun environment, they no longer have the capacity to access these special abilities...that was always how it was portrayed in the past, that is, I can't think of any stories I've read in the new 52 that dealt with Kryptonians under conditions like on their homeworld. Except for a Supergirl story or two, and I don't recall how it was managed, then.

 

[The Jeffinator]

It's actually understood by the vast majority of scientists that black holes are not holes, but likely extremely massive stars that collapsed under their own weight and began sucking in more matter, making it even more massive and this creating a greater gravity well. The supermassive black hole in the center of our galaxy is so powerful it causes us to be a spiral galaxy and the stars in the Milky Way orbit the galactic core.

And the red solar energy would limit or cut off a Kryptonian's ability to absorb new energy, but it would not suddenly cause all the energy already stored to magically vanish. That just doesn't make sense.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Here's what wiki says:

A black hole is a mathematically defined region of spacetime exhibiting such a strong gravitational pull that no particle or electromagnetic radiation can escape from it.[1] The theory of general relativity predicts that a sufficiently compact mass can deform spacetime to form a black hole.[2] The boundary of the region from which no escape is possible is called the event horizon. Although crossing the event horizon has enormous effect on the fate of the object crossing it, it appears to have no locally detectable features. In many ways a black hole acts like an ideal black body, as it reflects no light.[3][4] Moreover, quantum field theory in curved spacetime predicts that event horizons emit Hawking radiation, with the same spectrum as a black body of a temperature inversely proportional to its mass. This temperature is on the order of billionths of a kelvin for black holes of stellar mass, making it essentially impossible to observe.

Objects whose gravitational fields are too strong for light to escape were first considered in the 18th century by John Michell and Pierre-Simon Laplace. The first modern solution of general relativity that would characterize a black hole was found by Karl Schwarzschild in 1916, although its interpretation as a region of space from which nothing can escape was first published by David Finkelstein in 1958. Long considered a mathematical curiosity, it was during the 1960s that theoretical work showed black holes were a generic prediction of general relativity. The discovery of neutron stars sparked interest in gravitationally collapsed compact objects as a possible astrophysical reality.

Black holes of stellar mass are expected to form when very massive stars collapse at the end of their life cycle. After a black hole has formed, it can continue to grow by absorbing mass from its surroundings. By absorbing other stars and merging with other black holes, supermassive black holes of millions of solar masses (M☉) may form. There is general consensus that supermassive black holes exist in the centers of most galaxies.

Despite its invisible interior, the presence of a black hole can be inferred through its interaction with other matter and with electromagnetic radiation such as light. Matter falling onto a black hole can form an accretion disk heated by friction, forming some of the brightest objects in the universe. If there are other stars orbiting a black hole, their orbit can be used to determine its mass and location. Such observations can be used to exclude possible alternatives (such as neutron stars). In this way, astronomers have identified numerous stellar black hole candidates in binary systems, and established that the core of the Milky Way contains a supermassive black hole of about 4.3 million M☉.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Remec, you're the only one here that I am friends with on Facebook. No doubt you've seen my waves of science-related posts and shares, many of which talk about astronomical bodies, including black holes. I'm a science nut . I own a copy of Michio Kaku's "Physics of the Impossible," and its a very interesting read. Neil deGrasse Tyson's reboot of Cosmos is awesome as well. I also watch a lot of videos featuring Michio Kaku, Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss, Michael Persinger, Sam Harris, Bill Nye, Penn Jillette, James Randi, and many others. Big Think is one of my favorite YouTube channels, right behind MMOHuts, lol.

 

[The Jeffinator]

But since I am probably just harming things worse with my die hard views, I think it's best if Sean takes over as GM and you guys continue on without me. Ultimately, I'm going to piss everyone off and I've already pushed several of you to tell me my views are a serious problem. So, it seems the logical thing to do is to remove my views from the equation by removing myself. Otherwise we will eventually clash over something else and it seems the main factor in this is the way I am. I am who I am, and that is just someone who is not compatible with other RPers.

 

[Remec]

It's actually understood by the vast majority of scientists that black holes are not holes, but likely extremely massive stars that collapsed under their own weight and began sucking in more matter, making it even more massive and this creating a greater gravity well. The supermassive black hole in the center of our galaxy is so powerful it causes us to be a spiral galaxy and the stars in the Milky Way orbit the galactic core.

What I should have added was, until someone can show that they went or sent a probe into and back out of, how do we know they don't lead to other dimensions or act as wormholes? It's just a touch of fantasy added to the actual science of the super-dense object.

And the red solar energy would limit or cut off a Kryptonian's ability to absorb new energy, but it would not suddenly cause all the energy already stored to magically vanish. That just doesn't make sense.

It's not that it vanishes, but that they cannot utilize it for anything. There have been stories in the previous canons where exposure to "red" sun energies was turned off and they immediately were capable of normal Super activity, with no need for re-exposure to "yellow" energies.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Did you not watch Superman vs Goku? When all is said and done Superman does what he damn well pleases and it's that simple. If he wants to sneeze out a super nova he does, because fuck you that's why.

As for taking over I'm game, though I do like having Jeff around. I wouldn't be a constant in his RPs if I didn't. I'm aware that I'm a dick and I say exactly what I'm thinking and it has varying results. Sometimes its great and people are thinking what I'm saying and sometimes its crap like now where it was probable better left unsaid. Meh, Can't fix me.

 

[The Jeffinator]

What I should have added was, until someone can show that they went or sent a probe into and back out of, how do we know they don't lead to other dimensions or act as wormholes? It's just a touch of fantasy added to the actual science of the super-dense object.



It's not that it vanishes, but that they cannot utilize it for anything. There have been stories in the previous canons where exposure to "red" sun energies was turned off and they immediately were capable of normal Super activity, with no need for re-exposure to "yellow" energies.

It is unlikely black holes are doorways because they retain all mass they absorb. And even if somehow it was a doorway, you would never be able to find out because no device could make it into the black hole in one piece and you could never see inside it because no light can escape. Any device sent into a black hole would have its atoms ripped apart. There is nothing in science I've seen that supports the idea that black holes are portals -- that notion is mostly considered a Hollywood invention by scientists.

And scientifically speaking, how does red solar radiation block a Kryptonian's ability to draw upon energy stored in their cells? It's technically the same kind of radiation that powers their cells under a white star, just less intense, so why does the body interpret it as a different type of radiation? There is no scientific basis for the red sunlight weakness, it's more of a "just pretend it works and don't ask how," type effect. And I hate that effect. If I can't explain it, I don't like to use it.

Did you not watch Superman vs Goku? When all is said and done Superman does what he damn well pleases and it's that simple. If he wants to sneeze out a super nova he does, because fuck you that's why.

As for taking over I'm game, though I do like having Jeff around. I wouldn't be a constant in his RPs if I didn't. I'm aware that I'm a dick and I say exactly what I'm thinking and it has varying results. Sometimes its great and people are thinking what I'm saying and sometimes its crap like now where it was probable better left unsaid. Meh, Can't fix me.

No, it's not just you, Sean. I just don't see this going anywhere with me involved. I can't help who I am -- I am always going to want to make the stories I write as scientifically accurate as possible, and those who don't feel that same need are always going to see me as a burden.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Here's Neil deGrasse Tyson discussing Superman's powers and the effects of "yellow" and "red" solar energy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O6h0Vxi8G8

And here is a video about ten Black Hole facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWm8fmkTsUo

And here is a video about what it would be like in a black hole, and it does mentioned the possibility of a black hole creating a wormhole, but not the back hole itself being a doorway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pAnRKD4raY

 

[Lachiyous]

...so now that "The_Jeffinator" is gone-zo's, and "Sean_Renaud" is taking over....I'll *OFFICIALLY* submit my character profile for Impulse....

Hehehe. Bad joke, bad joke. I apologize!

JUST TEASING!!

But seriously, "Sean_Renaud"....I suppose YOU are making the new OOC for this roleplay? You going to take over his characters or....write some of them out? Bench 'em?

....or even kill off everyone in favor for this....crazy....TEN - o' - BEN dude?

What's your roster again(because I love my lists, hehe):

Star
Miss Martian
Tigress
Beast Boy


Did I miss anyone, controlled by a player still in the roleplay?

Those potentially controlled by you now:

Nightwing
Superboy
Steel

Right?

 

[Lily_Wight]

Here's Neil deGrasse Tyson discussing Superman's powers and the effects of "yellow" and "red" solar energy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O6h0Vxi8G8

This is my point exactly. You are dead set against red solar energy weakness, yet you are willing to swallow superman's solar battery explanation.

This video you shared debunks both of those ideas. Your line is literally arbitrary.

 

[The Jeffinator]

It says Superman could never absorb enough energy to do what he does in the comics, and how many times have I said my version of Kryptonians are no where near as powerful as they are in the comics? Superman is way OP and I always pull him back considerably.

 

[The Jeffinator]

I have an explanation in my head for everything I believe is possible or somewhat possible. If you think the line is arbitrary, then ask me anything and I'll explain how it works in my head. The line can only be arbitrary if I accept some things with no rationalization while dismissing others for no reason.

 

[The Jeffinator]

In the case of the solar battery point, there is no way Superman could absorb enough energy to move at light speed or lift continents or punch with the force of a supernova. However, by toning down his powers considerably, it becomes more likely that he could retain enough energy to accomplish his feats. I would assume the solar radiation would "super charge" his bioelectric field and his physiology would retain Vitamin D more efficiently or something along those lines.

But allowing one to absorb solar energy is very different than pretending a red sun would weaken someone who absorbed energy from a white sun. I can understand Kryptonite radiation, because that is physically damaging and Superman's energy reserves are spent on desperately fighting off the harmful effects.

 

[Lily_Wight]

It is different, but it's still bad science.

Neil Degrasse Tyson says he can tell you exactly how much energy superman could absorb through his skin, and I guarantee you it's not enough to accomplish even your toned down versions of his powers.

The amount of energy that hits one square meter in a day is measured in watts. How much energy do you think it would be to make a human being fly through the air at 900mph?

He is a small person collecting the sun into his cells. Even with a pretty good rate of absorption, he would deplete that energy every time he exerted himself.

Not to mention the fact that you are willing to accept the idea that he can control the energy his cells expel. And that he can use it to make himself faster, stronger, indestructible, fly and emit heat rays from his eyes.

I like science too. I've read almost everything you've posted before you posted it.

But I'm willing to suspend my disbelief because I like these characters, and they can't happen in the real world.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Well, I don't like the heat vision and rarely use it, lol. As for him controlling the energy, I see it as happening in the same way our brain sends signals to our hand to clench a fist or play a piano.

And there is really no way to say for sure exactly how much solar energy he could absorb, because we don't know the molecular structure of Kryptonian flesh or how exactly it utilizes said energy. We don't know how fast the energy piles up and how much of it he can store. We also don't know if the solar energy powers him all on it's own, or if it only acts as a "spark plug" to charge his bioelectric aura.

Granted, Superman could not exist in the real world based on what we know today, and superhero fiction does require some suspension of disbelief, but why is it all or nothing? If I find a way to make the "yellow" energy work in my mind, then by default, I have to accept anything with absolutely no standard? If I accept that a Kryptonian absorbs solar energy in this world, then I also have to accept that red solar radiation somehow works differently that yellow, even though they are the same damn thing but in different intensities?

Look, we can go back and forth about this on and on and not get anywhere. I've already said that I'm out, so whether or not something is possible in this world is now up to Sean. I'm done RPing, and I'm done trying to create worlds to share with people -- any superhero stories I do in the future with either be original characters or DC/Marvel fanfiction.

 

[Lily_Wight]

We do know how much energy he can absorb, because we know how much energy the sun emits.

If the rest of his power came from his own bio electricity, then kryptonians would have powers to an extent on any planet.

You are accepting one psuedo science explanation and arguing to the point of killing a thread against others.

All I'm saying is that an arbitrary line in the sand only helps one person.

 

[The Jeffinator]

I said if solar energy was used as a spark plug for their bio electricity. If there is no spark plug or a weaker one, that means once the current charge expires, it would be harder or impossible to charge it again. But that is just one idea. It could also be that the way Kryptonian flesh absorbs solar radiation helps it utilize the energy much more efficiently. Plus keep in mind, the human brain only needs between 20 and 80 watts to function, so if you could absorb enough solar energy to turn on a light bulb, you're already doing more than the normal human. Plus it's possible sunlight could be focused through Superman's eye lenses to help absorption.

 

[Sean Renaud]

...so now that "The_Jeffinator" is gone-zo's, and "Sean_Renaud" is taking over....I'll *OFFICIALLY* submit my character profile for Impulse....

Hehehe. Bad joke, bad joke. I apologize!

JUST TEASING!!

But seriously, "Sean_Renaud"....I suppose YOU are making the new OOC for this roleplay? You going to take over his characters or....write some of them out? Bench 'em?

....or even kill off everyone in favor for this....crazy....TEN - o' - BEN dude?

What's your roster again(because I love my lists, hehe):

Star
Miss Martian
Tigress
Beast Boy


Did I miss anyone, controlled by a player still in the roleplay?

Those potentially controlled by you now:

Nightwing
Superboy
Steel

Right?

I have no idea what my roster is or even if I have one.