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[phrodeau]

Huh?! "defund the police" is the message that is coming out of BLM and their sympathisers in the media and even public officials, is it not?

So again, I ask, why do those calling for the police to be defunded imagine they won't be affected by the inevitable crime spree's that will occur?

It’s the same message that the Fox News pundits were shouting after the arrests of Manafort and Stone. The main difference is that they survived their arrests.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Huh?! "defund the police" is the message that is coming out of BLM and their sympathisers in the media and even public officials, is it not?

So again, I ask, why do those calling for the police to be defunded imagine they won't be affected by the inevitable crime spree's that will occur?

It is painfully obvious you are woefully uneducated in how a police service is financial funded.

Far be it the role of the educate members of Lit to waste our time in educating you.

I would suggest you read up on the term budget. That will help you understand the basics of finance required. Then check into how police are funded. That would be the next step.

Last, you should look up the difference in the terms of "Defund" vs "Disband".

While the protesters did muddy the water using the term Defund, over several other descriptive words, which could better have voiced their concerns with how police operate and are equipped. They also expected a better educated audience to receive their message....

 

[KeithD]

Still, using the term "defund" is unfortunate and causes natural problems in explaining the position.

 

[phrodeau]

Still, using the term "defund" is unfortunate and causes natural problems in explaining the position.

I think it’s an echo of “defund Planned Parenthood,” Trump’s position to deny reproductive health care of anyone receiving government assistance.

 

[IceDemon]

It is painfully obvious you are woefully uneducated in how a police service is financial funded.

Far be it the role of the educate members of Lit to waste our time in educating you.

I would suggest you read up on the term budget. That will help you understand the basics of finance required. Then check into how police are funded. That would be the next step.

Last, you should look up the difference in the terms of "Defund" vs "Disband".

While the protesters did muddy the water using the term Defund, over several other descriptive words, which could better have voiced their concerns with how police operate and are equipped. They also expected a better educated audience to receive their message....

If someone/something receives no money then eventually it has to cease to operate, no?!

We'll take no lectures from the left about budgeting. Wherever socialists are in charge the finances go to shit! The Soviet Union imploded ultimately because it bankrupted itself.

Btw, you missed the d at the end educated.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

If someone/something receives no money then eventually it has to cease to operate, no?!

We'll take no lectures from the left about budgeting. Wherever socialists are in charge the finances go to shit! The Soviet Union imploded ultimately because it bankrupted itself.

Btw, you missed the d at the end educated.

Obvious you didn't read up on a budget now did you. Second you obviously have no clue on how a police service/department is budgeted.

(Hint) you can remove the money to purchase and utilise military firepower from their budget (DEFUND) but still authorise them enough money to pay for the cops salary vehicles buildings etc and supply them with Glocks....or paintball gun....even for an American your pretty uneducated...chuckles if you can't connect the dots....

Third, I am a Canadian, not an American, so your references of left and right mean nothing, except to an uneducated white guy who lives in the United States.

Yes I did, happens...*shrugs*

 

[KeithD]

I think it’s an echo of “defund Planned Parenthood,” Trump’s position to deny reproductive health care of anyone receiving government assistance.

Yes, I know, but it's a bit too subtle, both for the Trumpettes, who jump on it, and the segment of those on the left who truly are clueless on how society inevitably has to work to be able to work.

 

[KeithD]

Wherever socialists are in charge the finances go to shit!

This is where you lose all reasoning.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Still, using the term "defund" is unfortunate and causes natural problems in explaining the position.

Yes it was an extremely poorly thought out message. One which they should have realised the less educated would have trouble grasping the real goal. Myself, I liked Demilitarise the police.

 

[IceDemon]

Obvious you didn't read up on a budget now did you. Second you obviously have no clue on how a police service/department is budgeted.

(Hint) you can remove the money to purchase and utilise military firepower from their budget (DEFUND) but still authorise them enough money to pay for the cops salary vehicles buildings etc and supply them with Glocks....or paintball gun....even for an American your pretty uneducated...chuckles if you can't connect the dots....

Third, I am a Canadian, not an American, so your references of left and right mean nothing, except to an uneducated white guy who lives in the United States.

Yes I did, happens...*shrugs*

A better use of language would help then wouldn't it? like "de-arm the police", for instance, would be clearer. "Defund" the police, to most people literally means not paying the police.

 

[KeithD]

A better use of language would help then wouldn't it? like "de-arm the police", for instance, would be clearer. "Defund" the police, to most people literally means not paying the police.

I agree. The term being unfortunate, however, is just that--an unfortunate term. It's not what actually is being pursued--and, in contrast to Trump's lies (including in campaign videos and his interviews) even that term is not being supported by Joe Biden.

 

[IceDemon]

I agree. The term being unfortunate, however, is just that--an unfortunate term. It's not what actually is being pursued--and, in contrast to Trump's lies (including in campaign videos and his interviews) even that term is not being supported by Joe Biden.

Well, Joe Biden is campaigning to reform a criminal justice system he helped create. The 1994 crime bill was a disaster for black people in the US, and they know it too.

 

[jaF0]

There's more to it than that. Some departments are so deeply corrupt or poorly managed that the only sensible option IS to disband it. That doesn't mean there won't be any police coverage however. A couple of cities in Florida were forced to disband their departments. The cities then contracted with the Sheriff's Office or the State Police to provide coverage.

In other cases, the cities created new agencies with new rules. Some but not all former officers were hired, but lost seniority and some rank.

You also see some Public Safety agencies where the POs double as Medics and or firefighters and vice versa.

 

[jaF0]

And my recollection of DHS was that it was to provide support for state and local agencies on more of an administrative level. I'm not sure how this bit about street level head busters came in to play.

 

[KeithD]

Well, Joe Biden is campaigning to reform a criminal justice system he helped create. The 1994 crime bill was a disaster for black people in the US, and they know it too.

So, why do you think folks are giving the black vote to Biden and not to Trump? (No, I don't know who they actually will vote for.) Is your mind complex enough to deal with that or are you only capable of deeply partisan dogma?

 

[phrodeau]

Here’s what they did in Camden, NJ.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...407536-b0b8-11ea-856d-5054296735e5_story.html

We let every city police officer go and created a new department with new rules in 2013. By agreement with Camden County, the city ceased to fund its department and instead paid the county to police the city of Camden. We required all officers to apply as new hires (most officers from the old force got jobs, but not all) and committed to a new relationship between Camden’s police and its citizens, around 95 percent of whom are minorities.
It worked. At the end of 2019, homicides in Camden were down 63 percent, and total crime is the lowest it has been in decades. Fewer mothers are burying children, and flagrant drug crime is radically reduced.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

A better use of language would help then wouldn't it? like "de-arm the police", for instance, would be clearer. "Defund" the police, to most people literally means not paying the police.

See my post #637

But it is not about de arming police, just changing out the tools they have to use, and the training they get.

But I do agree Defund is a poor choice, because too many people in the US are to uneducated to look beyond a word to understand what people are protesting for.

 

[IceDemon]

See my post #637

But it is not about de arming police, just changing out the tools they have to use, and the training they get.

But I do agree Defund is a poor choice, because too many people in the US are to uneducated to look beyond a word to understand what people are protesting for.

"Black Lives Matter" is too broad and generic a name as well, given that its objectives(they say) are very specific it ought to have a more clear and tailored name to avoid confusion and interviews like this...https://youtu.be/0Wnv06CJC4s?t=74

Don Lemon likened asking BLM why they don't protest about black people killing other black people to someone with AIDS seeking help at a cancer organisation. What Dumb Lemon doesn't seem to get is that organisations catering for specific things tend to give themselves descriptive, unambiguous names to avoid confusion.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

"Black Lives Matter" is too broad and generic a name as well, given that its objectives(they say) are very specific it ought to have a more clear and tailored name to avoid confusion and interviews like this...https://youtu.be/0Wnv06CJC4s?t=74

Don Lemon likened asking BLM why they don't protest about black people killing other black people to someone with AIDS seeking help at a cancer organisation. What Dumb Lemon doesn't seem to get is that organisations catering for specific things tend to give themselves descriptive, unambiguous names to avoid confusion.

Who is Don Lemon, and why should I care what he says....?

 

[IceDemon]

Who is Don Lemon, and why should I care what he says....?

I'm in the UK here and even I know (because US political news dominates our news) that Don Lemon is one of CNN's top presenters. You should care what he says because he is a mouthpiece for CNN.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I'm in the UK here and even I know (because US political news dominates our news) that Don Lemon is one of CNN's top presenters. You should care what he says because he is a mouthpiece for CNN.

I am in Canada, and gave up watching TV in 1988...that does not mean I really have never heard his name, but I really have never seen him on TV....

 

[KeithD]

I guess going after Don Lemon is meant to distract from the sexual predator scandal going on among the Faux Views commentator staff?

 

[JackLuis]

Texas deputies open fire on non-violent suspect — killing 6-year-old boy playing inside his own bedroom

Texas deputies shot and killed a 6-year-old boy playing in his own home at the conclusion of a two-hour pursuit of a woman wanted on burglary and fraud charges.

An attorney for the slain child’s parents recently sent a 16-page letter urging Bexar County commissioners to settle a lawsuit over the killing shortly before Christmas 2017, saying a deputy involved in the shooting admitted he never saw the suspect draw a weapon because his eyes were closed, reported KENS-TV.

So no justification for the use of deadly force and because the kid was collateral damage the trigger happy cops were never charged. Sounds like Texas justice, yep.

 

[jaF0]

Police Brutality

The Second Circuit denied qualified immunity to a police officer accused of grabbing a mother while she held her 4-year-old son, throwing her and her child to the ground, and kneeling on her back until she could not breathe and urinated on herself.

https://www.courthousenews.com/police-brutality-25/

 

[bodysong]

Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey calls for reopening of investigation
into killing of Danroy ‘DJ’ Henry Jr. after family claimed senator
‘didn’t act’

Aug 05, 2020

Danroy “DJ” Henry, Jr., a football player and junior at Pace University
in New York, was fatally shot by a police officer in Mount Pleasant,
New York in October 2010.

Markey penned another letter to the U.S. Department of Justice and prosecutors in
New York on Tuesday, demanding that they “take immediate action to conduct a
renewed, thorough and transparent investigation into the death of Danroy
‘DJ’ Henry, Jr.”

He argued that new evidence has emerged in the years since Henry’s killing
that call for a closer reexamination of the case.

The senator pointed to Beckley’s claims, which contradicted Hess’s allegations
that Henry instigated the confrontation that led to his death.

Also, as part of a $6 million settlement with the Henry family in 2017, the town
of Mount Pleasant offered a public apology in which it expressed regret for
“any statements made on its behalf ... before the events of October 17, 2010
were fully investigated and the underlying facts understood.”

Officials later acknowledged that its previous “statements do not fully
or fairly represent the events of that early morning,” Markey said.

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2...r-after-family-claimed-senator-didnt-act.html