A interesting theory... do you think it applies?

[subkitty72]

I say we kick his crazy ass and be done with it.

I think Cutie just did...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HOMBURG

Let me see if I can find a useful metaphor for you.

If I say Hamburger equals meatloaf I'm not wrong if you challenge me with Hamburger=speghetti meat-ball. Think about it and Google "straw man.".

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CUTIEMOUSE

Here's a question for you and the pride: Why do you bother to play with me?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CUTIEMOUSE

There are 2 answers: You really do like me, or you need a straw man.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

CUTIEMOUSE

Here's a question for you and the pride: Why do you bother to play with me?

As part of "the pride," I'll take the liberty of answering this question for my part: Because it's fun to find the examples of your idiocies, inconsistencies, and blatant ignorance and throw them in your face. And perhaps I should remind you of a fact of pride reality -- 'tis the lionesses who are the more vicious and dangerous.

 

[alexanna]

Oh, and about the 50/50 vs 100/100...I thnk sometimes in a happy marriage a spouse has to give more than 100% and make up for what the other is putting in just because of the normal eb and flow of life. But it works out even in the end.

I'd agree with this for sure. We don't always give 100% but one of us generally takes up the slack and no one gets too upset about it since eventually it always swings back the other way.

I'd say in general we're about 80/80 so things are easy and comfortable but not spectacular. Neither of us does just the minimum to maintain the relationship but neither of us is going all out either.

And I agree spectacular would mean at least a net of 100/100.

 

[CutieMouse]

CUTIEMOUSE

Here's a question for you and the pride: Why do you bother to play with me?

You flatter yourself if you think I'm "playing" with you.

Based on your postings to date, I am of the opinion that you are a narrow minded arrogant bully who doesn't know what the hell he's blathering on about; I find it amusing to watch people like that hang themselves (which, IMO, you do quite nicely), and occasionally poke them... it's a vauge study in human nature sort of thing.

 

[Homburg]

HOMBURG

Let me see if I can find a useful metaphor for you.

If I say Hamburger equals meatloaf I'm not wrong if you challenge me with Hamburger=speghetti meat-ball. Think about it and Google "straw man.".

Cutiemouse was commiting an ad hominem attack, not a Straw Man. You were comitting a Straw Man.

Your post abou Lions:

This is all very interesting.

But it seems peeps miss the whole point. Take lions for example.

The lion is the king of beasts. My Plantagenet ancestors decorated their shields with lions; RICHARD I was "lion-hearted.' When you see a lion on a coat of arms, it refers to the Plantagenets. But I digress.

Lions are a matriarchal society. A female runs the show. The females hunt together, etc. The males kinda relax and hang-out. They have 3 functions: they fuck the females, they steal food from the females, and they kill hyenas. Female lions are intimidated by hyenas. Male lions go fucking apeshit around them. A male lion's hate for a hyena starts at psychotic and gets worse.

When the male lion isnt fucking, feeding, or fighting hyenas; he takes it easy. If the girls wanna run things...hey! Go for it.

He doesnt get into struggles with the females. He doesnt negotiate anything with them. Life is not a BIG fucking math problem.

My reply:

I have opposable thumbs. As a result, I enjoy a level of complexity to my life beyond fucking, feeding, and killing hyenas.

Followed by:

I like complex.

For example, it is easy to buy a watermoelon and obtain a knife. Said knife used properly on the watermelon can give you a aperture whereby to get a good feeling on a warm summer day.

It is much more complex to find, obtain, and train a good submissive. However, barring fruitfuck fetishists, very few people would prefer the violated watermelon over a willing human.

Watermelons don't squirm and yelp when you spank them.

Complex, rawr.

You'll note a lack of discussion about kink vs D/s, costumes, yelling orders, warriors, or any of the noise you put forth in this post:

HOMBURG

I think you confuse d/s with kink & kostume.

Getting you ass spanked is getting your ass spanked. Thats all it is.

The leather and the collars and the negotiating and the tantrums and acting out is happy horse-shit. Thats all it is.

And if you like it, more power to you.

Wearing a uniform and yelling orders doesnt make you a warrior.

To which I replied as above.

Now, I have no need to hit Google to understand what a Straw man is. I mentioned previously that I do have a little degree in a field that knows a bit about Straw Man fallacies, ad hominems, equivocation fallacies, etc.

Let's examine the discursive timeline...

You made a post decrying complexity and simplicity, and used lions as your discursive vehicle.

I replied about my own enjoyment of complexity, saw your lions, and raised with my opposable thumbs (referring to how mankind has thumbs, unlike lions, and thus achieves a more complex lifestyle via use of those thumbs), and then the violated watermelon example to further expound.

You suddenly start spouting off about kink vs D/s, warriors, and such. Pray tell, which of the two of us is arguing against points other than what the other person made? Call me crazy, but my posts did not refer to warriors, kink, costumes, etc. They referred to thumbs, watermelons, submissives, and your errors in calling Cutiemouse on a Straw Man when you should be reading up on logical fallacies yourself.

The Straw Man is the philosophical equivalent of a ten-cent word that lay people with jack for knowledge of logical discourse want to label every fallacy they see. It's the crackerjack box prize of internet forensics. Go you.

 

[CutieMouse]

[hijack of a hijack of a hijack]

I miss AngelicAssassin.

Just sayin'.

[/hijack of a hijack of a hijack]

 

[HB1965]

Check out the dude's my space page. He posted an article about strawmen there.


STRAW MAN: A Girl’s Best Friend. ( by our pal James)


STRAW MAN: A straw man or man of straw is a dummy in the shape of a human created by stuffing straw into clothes. Straw men are used as scarecrows, combat-training targets or swordsmiths test-targets, effigies to be burned, and as rodeo dummies to distract bulls.

Generally speaking, a straw man is someone, usually a male, whom you blame for every real or imagined problem you have while you continue to form relationships with men who really abuse you.

In the worst cases women decorate their pages or get bumper-stickers that proclaim SHOW ME JUST ONE MAN WHO ISNT A FLAMING ASSHOLE. Every man on the planet is responsible for her problems and every man is her straw man. How stupid is that! She doesnt know every man, every where. This latter example is the worst example of futility and depleted morale, because the female truly believes she's a loser and all men are assholes.

"Life is tough, and its tougher when youre stupid." John Wayne

 

[BiBunny]

[hijack of a hijack of a hijack]

I miss AngelicAssassin.

Just sayin'.

[/hijack of a hijack of a hijack]

So do I. But it looks like Mr. Homburg is holding his own quite well.

HornyBabe, that blog post amuses me. Yet another man who claims he's into D/s because he's intimidated by strong, intelligent women. *Sigh* Thank you for providing me with that laugh!

 

[Homburg]

So do I. But it looks like Mr. Homburg is holding his own quite well.

*bows* Thank you, but Mr. Homburg makes me sound like a bodybuilder from germany

 

[HB1965]

HornyBabe, that blog post amuses me. Yet another man who claims he's into D/s because he's intimidated by strong, intelligent women. *Sigh* Thank you for providing me with that laugh!

If you thought that was funny you should see the rest of the stuff on it. He even has fans.

 

[BiBunny]

*bows* Thank you, but Mr. Homburg makes me sound like a bodybuilder from germany

All the more reason we should call you that. The intimidation factor, you know.

If you thought the rest of that was funny you should see the rest of the stuff on it. He even has fans.

Oh, Jesus.

Lead me not into temptation, but deliver me from evil....

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HONEYBABE

Youre one of my fans.

No lie. This is the truth. I swear it.

There is a woman who hates me with a passion who comes to my page every day. Usually twice a day. As much as 5 times a day. She wont do it if her boyfriend is around, but as soon as he heads home she's filling her eyeballs with me.

Then she runs back to her page and has a tirade about what an asshole I am. And her female buddies chime in, like they do here, and brand me the SOB from Florida.

I think I make all of you hot and wet.

 

[Homburg]

"HONEYBABE"?

And you are nothing if not entertaining, JBJ

 

[FurryFury]

[hijack of a hijack of a hijack]

I miss AngelicAssassin.

Just sayin'.

[/hijack of a hijack of a hijack]

Me too!

*nods muchly*

 

[HB1965]

Then she runs back to her page and has a tirade about what an asshole I am. And her female buddies chime in, like they do here, and brand me the SOB from Florida.
.

Possibly because you are...

You don't make me horny you make me laugh my ass off. Your myspace page is nothing but the pathetic ramblings of a sad middle aged man who wants desperately to be seen as some kind of genius.

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying what your selling. Take your candy ass and go back to myspace. You can start your own message board there you know where your fans can worship you. I don't give a shit. Oh a word of advice. You might want to learn to read and write while your at it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HONEYBABE

"while your at it."

You mean, "while you're at it." Right?

"Your" is kinda like how Jethrene Bodine talks.

 

[HB1965]

HONEYBABE

"while your at it."

You mean, "while you're at it." Right?

"Your" is kinda like how Jethrene Bodine talks.

You know it's funny you pick on my typos but don't seem to see the myriad of ones you've been making all over this message board and your myspace page.

 

[vffan]

You know it's funny you pick on my typos but don't seem to see the myriad of ones you've been making all over this message board

I thought the exact same thing! LOL!

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Hmm... I wonder if this is JBJ's favorite song?

The YouTube video somehow makes me think of him...

 

[RJMasters]

I say BDSM is the hefalump in the corner, because DD people seem to be so busy using the Bible to defend their kink, while distancing themselves from BDSM as if it's an ugly stepchild. I've gotten the impression from the reading that I've done, that DD has a holier than thou attitude towards spanking/etc... the fact that she gets wet and he gets a raging hard on from popping her ass with a birch backed hairbrush, is glossed over [hello hefalump!], while continuing a conversation about the enlightenment to be obtained by using the Bible to defend one's non-kinky kink.

I agree. Much of the teaching especially in Chistanity is about denying the flesh and the lusts there of, with the possible exception of allowing such within the bonds of marriage.

Using the Bible to defend one's non-kinky kink, tends to be the way to make it ok. Rationalize or justify. I have to admit I tried to do this but it created such a vicious cycle inside me that I couldn't really do it any longer. I hate when I find hypocrisy within myself more than I hate it when I see it in others.

I think many tend to forget that it was God who said go forth and multiply and fill the earth. The dumb down version of that is basically go have sex (perhaps over simplistic but I am making a point).

Also if a person does believe in God, and that he is the one who created the human body, both male and female, do you think it was an oversight on his part that sex feels so good? Its like its ok to believe in a God who is smart enough and powerful enough to create the entire universe and human beings, but timid or stupid when it comes to speaking about or understanding the lusts, passions and desires which arise from sexuality.

If I had to guess, and I mean guess as I do not purpose to think I can speak on behalf of God, I would say that he made sex so pleasurable because it would be something that helps to build a relationship between two people who engage in it. I say that because through all my studying and life expereince, "relationship" seems to be the key theme throughout it all. This is why I don't believe in a religion based upon laws and rules as much as I believe in God as a being with whom a relationship can be had. It is also why I despize others trying to tell me what my relationship with God should or should not be. If it is a relationship, then it should be something between me and the one I am having a relationship with.

There are accounts of where it is said that God burned with Jealiousy for his people(Israel). Jealiousy implys passion and even lust. This makes sense to me in that if we were created in His image and in his likeness, then it stands to reason we would inherit his characteristics and traits or at the very least have the ability to feel and express the same. I doubt God lusts after the flesh in the same way as I or others do and I don't mean to imply that, nor do I mean to imply that the lusts I feel are somehow justified or holy because they originated from God.

As beings of free will, we have the choice in the way we choose to use our own sexuality. It doesn't take a scholar to figure out that because sexuality is so powerful of a force, it can be used to bring about good consequences or bad ones.

There is a part of me that is really turned on by the fact that I like sex for sex sake and pure selfish pleasure that it gives me. I work constantly to keep these in check and it is what I would call self-control in regards to my own sexuality. I have always, and will always believe that relationship is/are the foundation upon which sexuality in any form should be experienced and be expressed. People certainly have the right to choose to experience sex outside of the relationship bubble, but the mental, emotional, and physical toll this takes on the people involved are more times than not, not good. I am not saying that making such a choice is wrong, but I can say that when others are hurt, that is wrong.

My circle of friends within the D/s and BDSM view their own sexuality responsibly realistically. and with some openness. I think this is a stronger and healthier approach to sexuality than hiding it in the closet or pretend it doesn't exist.

As I mentioned in the post above...I do not like the way people avoid personalizing their own choices of submission or dominance because they are told to be that way. I can appreciate there are parallels and over laps without having to use that to dress it up, justify it, or rationalize who I am. It doesn't make me holy nor does it make D/s dirty....what it does... is help me to understand it all in the larger scheme of things and how I see myself.

 

[HB1965]

Hmm... I wonder if this is JBJ's favorite song?

The YouTube video somehow makes me think of him...

OMG it's him!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HONEYBABE

That's because I dont attack anyone's writing skills here. I attack their silly ideas and beliefs and self-delusions. I attack the rigid, inflexible mind-sets. I keep my punches above the belt.

And when YOU hit below the belt, and your friends do, everyone out there see's it for what it is. And they think about whether they want to put up with the same crap from you.

You really need to consider who's watching you brawl.