Before You Vote For Obama....

[AZLovelyLady]

u up above

and your a dumbass cracker for even saying such an offensive thing.

 

[Wolfman1982]

obama is a silly negro

and your a dumbass cracker for even saying such an offensive thing.

He probably is dumbass cracker, who can´t put the finger on London via a map of England, like another fuckface I know.

 

[Terra_Cide]

obama is a silly negro

And GB wonders why the other forums don't talk about "serious" topics as much as they do.

They can keep their trolls where they belong, thanks. We don't need to be feeding them.

 

[Night_Jasmine]

In honesty, is the world ready for a female US president? With all the crap going on in Arab countries, Muslims really don't respect women. I dunno...doesn't seem like it might be the right time.

 

[Terra_Cide]

In honesty, is the world ready for a female US president? With all the crap going on in Arab countries, Muslims really don't respect women. I dunno...doesn't seem like it might be the right time.

Well, there have been female Muslim presidents/prime ministers... I dunno, it's a tough call, and I know there are plenty of Christian sects that have about the same lack of respect towards women as one would believe Muslims do.

 

[Wolfman1982]

In honesty, is the world ready for a female US president?

Here come a question from a "cracker" (not a dumbass one, since I am just white who love all colours).

Is the world ready for a black US president ?

 

[DarkBee]

Here come a question from a "cracker" (not a dumbass one, since I am just white who love all colours).

Is the world ready for a black US president ?

The world probably for a long time, the US not.

 

[Night_Jasmine]

Growing up in the South area, unfortunately, I think Darkbee is right. There are some generations down here that haven't gotten it in their heads that the Civil War ended a long time ago.

 

[snapperlapper]

Born in the South, raised in the south. Black , white democrat, republican, third party does not matter to me. Find out what the candidates really stand for then vote for the one who tells the least amount of lies, or tell lies that you can live with if they are elected. All politicians lie to get elected and I dont just mean American politicians. Bush did not rig the last election Al Gore talks the talk just does not walk the walk. Is anyone aware that in Florida (where it was so close) that over 18,000 registered democrats voted in New York AND Florida. The media covered that one up real well, but it is documented by the state of Florida and they have purged them from registration.

 

[XXplorher]

... your only other option is Hillary.


god save us all.

 

[Etoile]

Come on people, you gotta pick the lesser of two evils here. We NEED a Democrat in the White House. If you won't vote for Obama and you won't vote for Hillary, who are you going to vote for? I could accept Giuliani as president because I like his politics, but I'd much rather have a Democrat in there. Nobody but those two has a chance, so what else can you do? Don't abstain, it wastes your vote.

 

[XXplorher]

I’m a Republican – but you are correct. I don’t know that I ‘need’ to vote for a Democrat (I actually think it’s pretty fuckin’ stupid to vote on anything just because it says ‘I’m the party of’ over its head), but there are no preferable options on the Republican side (what the hell happened to you John McCain?). It’s an important message to the Republicans that this kind of shit will no longer fly with Americans…

But Hillary?

Really. Hillary?

What the hell has Hillary ever done? What has she ever said? Why is this the person most able to run my country? She’s shown me nothing (other than getting trumped by a chick that appreciates a nice cum shot more than she does).

I actually like Joe Biden. He makes sense to me. If Gore runs? I’m ALL over it. (But I’m starting to doubt my initial perception that he’s just waiting ‘till all the bullshit stops gabbing.)

We’re fucked. Hillary Clinton is going to win the White House. And I find that a tremendous insult to not only my country? But women as well.

I like women who say something. Hillary doesn’t.

 

[alaskabibear]

Join the Apathy Party

Come on guys! Do you still really think you have a voice in national politics?

None of these people running for Prez. ( and, for the most part Congress too) got to their present status w/o stepping on a lot of people on their way up (read; cheat, lie, steal, sell influence, etc,) . Nor do they get the "invite to play" w/o the behind the scenes power-brokers approval. What this means is that no matter which "crook" you vote for, you will be sadly disappointed and at the end of their pathetic term in office; the rich will be richer, the poor will be poorer and middle class America will work more for less just to keep everything going.

Regarding GLBT issues; It's a bit naive to think that any of these candidates will be able to stand up and scream "I'm going to liberate all gays and lesbians!". Get real people. We are a small, small percentage of the total electorate. And as I said above, it's not we who are important in determining the next "Politician", it's those who buy and pay for them (e.g. big money, big corporations, special interests).

Now, regarding this "female vs male" thing. I guess I'm a bit saddened by the shallowness of the ones who think that somehow if we could just get a woman in the big chair all will be well with the world. Don't we all know by now that it's not what is between the legs that is important, but what is in the heart? As for Miss Hilary, OMG please spare us! If she is not the coldest, cruelest, and most calculating politician in Washington today then I'd like to know who is. Except for her Party affiliation, she is absolutely no different than Bush, Cheaney, Clinton the I, or any of the other evil brood.

So, what to do? Stick with local politics where our voice does matter. And try to figure out how to castrate the ones who own our national government. (But, don't spend too much time, peace or energy thinking about that as if somehow we will fix our national gov. - remember what a good idea term limits was? Face it folks, America has been sold to the highest bidder - and it 'twernt you.)

 

[XXplorher]

All true.

Regardless, yes… it matters.



That person will represent us to the rest of the world (and out own children). It definitely fucking matters.

 

[alaskabibear]

All true.

Regardless, yes… it matters.



That person will represent us to the rest of the world (and out own children). It definitely fucking matters.

So it really all boils down to "the lesser of the evils"? And even if that's the case, it's not us who actually makes the final decision but the "power brokers" who either buy the election with campaign advertisement money (or as some believe, actually rig voting machines!). I mean really, if you know you're being duped and/or used, why play the game? ( and what if you don't think any of the SOB's are worthy of the office? Still vote, just because?)

 

[Etoile]

Come on guys! Do you still really think you have a voice in national politics?

None of these people running for Prez. ( and, for the most part Congress too) got to their present status w/o stepping on a lot of people on their way up (read; cheat, lie, steal, sell influence, etc,) . Nor do they get the "invite to play" w/o the behind the scenes power-brokers approval. What this means is that no matter which "crook" you vote for, you will be sadly disappointed and at the end of their pathetic term in office; the rich will be richer, the poor will be poorer and middle class America will work more for less just to keep everything going.

Regarding GLBT issues; It's a bit naive to think that any of these candidates will be able to stand up and scream "I'm going to liberate all gays and lesbians!". Get real people. We are a small, small percentage of the total electorate. And as I said above, it's not we who are important in determining the next "Politician", it's those who buy and pay for them (e.g. big money, big corporations, special interests).

Now, regarding this "female vs male" thing. I guess I'm a bit saddened by the shallowness of the ones who think that somehow if we could just get a woman in the big chair all will be well with the world. Don't we all know by now that it's not what is between the legs that is important, but what is in the heart? As for Miss Hilary, OMG please spare us! If she is not the coldest, cruelest, and most calculating politician in Washington today then I'd like to know who is. Except for her Party affiliation, she is absolutely no different than Bush, Cheaney, Clinton the I, or any of the other evil brood.

So, what to do? Stick with local politics where our voice does matter. And try to figure out how to castrate the ones who own our national government. (But, don't spend too much time, peace or energy thinking about that as if somehow we will fix our national gov. - remember what a good idea term limits was? Face it folks, America has been sold to the highest bidder - and it 'twernt you.)

Oh wait! This is satire! Right? I get it! Ha ha ha! Oh boy.

 

[alaskabibear]

Perhaps

Perhaps "life" (and as a part of that, politics) is actually "satire". In fact, I think you're right! It's all a big joke.... But then, why get so serious about what fool will be the next joker to occupy the oval office?

 

[Etoile]

Perhaps "life" (and as a part of that, politics) is actually "satire". In fact, I think you're right! It's all a big joke.... But then, why get so serious about what fool will be the next joker to occupy the oval office?

Did somebody pee in your Wheaties this morning?

Seriously, you may think it doesn't matter, and I'm sure to you it doesn't. But as others have pointed out, some of us find reason to care. If you want to sit back and let other people decide for you, that's up to you. Those of us who prefer to take it into our own hands will vote for you, and you can live with what we pick.

 

[alaskabibear]

I Care

It's not that I don't care. I do. In fact I'm greatly saddened by the overall state of our country. It's just that I don't believe "business as usual" is going to bring about any real change or improvement.

Actually, I think the founding principles of our country are one of mankind's greatest achievements. Freedom and a voice in one's government; who can disparage that. However, I also think that the "two party" system of politics has pretty much taken any real voice or power away from the mass population and put that power into the hands of an elite few ( and yes, I've studied history and know that even from the beginning things weren't always so "peachy"). Sad to say, I don't think we "the people" will ever regain any real power or control over this government. A lot of factors play into that; 1) perhaps we've outgrown the concept of government as established in the Constitution - too many people - too many agendas - too many global issues. 2) if we "the people" did want to change the way business as usual is conducted in Washington, how would we go about it - certainly not by hoping in the dis-functional (corrupt) politicians who would be called upon to enact said changes (remember term limits?). In fact, isn't "changing the way things are done in Washington" one of the "standard campaign promises" that gets brought out every election cycle? 3) Let's face it, there is just too much at stake in national politics for those with money and power to allow "the people" to have too much say in who gets chosen (or allowed) to run for office. Oh sure, "we the people" get to vote for their man (or woman) but in the big picture nothing changes regardless of who "we" vote into power simply because the game was rigged from the outset (ever hear of corporations giving campaign cash to both parties - wonder why they would do that? Could it be that they don't really care which of the two horses wins the race?).

So, I guess I just don't buy into the whole hoopla. Be nice if someone good and decent were elected ( I kind of like Obama and Edwards - but I don't really know either one of them well enough to say much about them, and I never will...and neither will you). But, I've lived through a lot of administrations, and I can tell you that your hopes are misplaced if you think Hilary is going to somehow make things all good. But, if it makes you feel like you somehow "did your part", by all means vote (heck vote twice!). As for me, well I live in Alaska and the election is decided even before the poles close here so why bother (but that could be said of a lot of folks who don't live in the "important" states with a lot of electoral college votes in play).

Okay, I'm done. Good football game getting started.

 

[Wolfman1982]

if all US citizens could vote when they were 18, without being a registered voter. Then maybe you would get a more real election. Just like many other countries which call them self a democracy.

 

[DarkBee]

if all US citizens could vote when they were 18, without being a registered voter. Then maybe you would get a more real election. Just like many other countries which call them self a democracy.

Yup. When I turned 18 a few years ago, I obtained the right to vote, whether I wanted to or not. Of course I have enough brains to know my vote doesn't really matter but if everyone thinks like that it does, so I vote.
America, as long as I live, has never had real elections nor real democracy: it's all about the money. Just take a look at the campaigns: those with the biggest budgets usually gather the most votes. And what's up with this 'registration'-BS? It doesn't make any sense to me at all, as with the electoral college and the people who are in it. Why do they exist? Why aren't the people, who all should get the right to vote from a certain age on, who vote themselves allowed to choose their president/head of state directly, by counting the votes and giving presidency to the person who has the most votes, in an absolute way. Then they wouldn't have the Gore-Bush electoral problems, where Bush won because he had more Presidential electors but less votes. That is so unlogical to Europeans like me.

In The Netherlands, where I live, all the votes are counted and all votes matter for deciding which party gets how many seats in the parliament, thus deciding who will be the biggest and gets to choose its Prime minister and gets form the government. Everything works really directly. Also, they don't have huge budgets and enormous 'shows' to convince their voters to choose for them; partly because there are a lot more parties, partly because most Europeans are more down to earth and don't believe in this kind of circus, they've made up their mind already and just need confirmation for their decision which party to vote.
For instance: I already know I am never going to vote for any right-wing nor christian party ever, although I might choose the labour party this year and the socialist party next year. However, I stay at the left side of the political spectrum, because I believe in equality whatsoever and I'm allergic to discrimination and racism.

 

[Wolfman1982]

DarkBee: I know about The Netherlands, since if I remember right then it was TOOOL who showed about the flaws around electronic voting. And I hope not that we will ever get electronic voting here in Denmark. And yes I really like The Netherlands and around here, we can have the right to vote when we are 18 too.

 

[DarkBee]

... And yes I really like The Netherlands and around here, we can have the right to vote when we are 18 too.

It's nice, isn't it?

 

[Wolfman1982]

It's nice, isn't it?

Oh yes, The Netherlands is (are ?) a great place

 

[DarkBee]

Oh yes, The Netherlands is (are ?) a great place

Are, it's several lands (provinces) combined into one a long time ago.
Actually, I meant the 'vote when you're 18'-law, but thanks for the compliment.