Being a woman in geek culture

[Stella_Omega]

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I suddenly remembered another thread this belongs in!

intersectionality is us.

 

[Stella_Omega]

On that video, not to argue with the message, but if you're alone, man or woman, against what 3-4 stupid punks, its just smart not to start shit.

You are assessing it like a man would.

If you're a woman, every single group of men has the potential to be those 'stupid punks.'

Four buddies walking back from the gym. Three guys on their way to eat lunch. A small handful of wall street bankers.

The gardeners.

Women-- do not know for sure until it doesn't happen.

 

[YourCaptor]

You are assessing it like a man would.

If you're a woman, every single group of men has the potential to be those 'stupid punks.'

Four buddies walking back from the gym. Three guys on their way to eat lunch. A small handful of wall street bankers.

The gardeners.

Women-- do not know for sure until it doesn't happen.

Why is that not also true for men?

I thought the most valid scene was the one in the police station with the coffee boy and the report.

 

[Dyslexicea]

Why is that not also true for men?

You are fucking kidding me!

 

[KoPilot]

Why is that not also true for men?

While rates of assault and violence perpetrated against men are slightly higher than women, the politics are completely different. Don't you dare try to pretend that men get beat up by strangers because they're men.

We got no time for this "but men have it bad too!1" crap. That's seriously 101 stuff.

 

[Primalex]

While rates of assault and violence perpetrated against men are slightly higher than women, the politics are completely different. Don't you dare try to pretend that men get beat up by strangers because they're men.

Hm.

So, if a woman says to three punks:"No smoking here" and they beat her up, then it's because she is a woman. If a man says to three punks:"No smoking here" and they beat him up, it's because he was too stupid to shut the fuck up.


Did I summarize this properly?

 

[Dyslexicea]

Hm.

So, if a woman says to three punks:"No smoking here" and they beat her up, then it's because she is a woman. If a man says to three punks:"No smoking here" and they beat him up, it's because he was too stupid to shut the fuck up.


Did I summarize this properly?

No! You just proved what a teeny, weeny, troll you are.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hm.

So, if a woman says to three punks:"No smoking here" and they beat her up, then it's because she is a woman. If a man says to three punks:"No smoking here" and they beat him up, it's because he was too stupid to shut the fuck up.


Did I summarize this properly?

You summarised it incorrectly.

 

[YourCaptor]

While rates of assault and violence perpetrated against men are slightly higher than women, the politics are completely different. Don't you dare try to pretend that men get beat up by strangers because they're men.

We got no time for this "but men have it bad too!1" crap. That's seriously 101 stuff.

I rewatched it and this is what I see. He gets harassed for being a man, true, but they are walking away, until he insults them back.

If you insult a bunch of punks, man or woman, you're gonna have a bad day.

Does not mean its right, its just a fact of life.

So I feel like this was a weak part in the video and could have easily been done better to illustrate being attacked due to sex.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I rewatched it and this is what I see. He gets harassed for being a man, true, but they are walking away, until he insults them back.

If you insult a bunch of punks, man or woman, you're gonna have a bad day.

Does not mean its right, its just a fact of life.

So I feel like this was a weak part in the video and could have easily been done better to illustrate being attacked due to sex.

It would be very interesting to see this exact scenario shot from a man's POV-- let men explain what they understand the situation to be.

Maybe the comparison would not be able to include sexual objectification, because the men who can't parse this video can't seem to see that the harassment is predicated on the women's assumption of their right to objectify any guy that comes their way.

Men-- who are almost never the recipients of that kind of attention-- find it hard to imagine that it happens all the time. For some guys, it seems to be impossible.
Or that it would be scary to be constantly surrounded by people who are bigger than you, and consistently have weight and reach on you.

What would you, speaking as a male member of this culture, use as a metaphore?

 

[KoPilot]

So, if a woman says to three punks:"No smoking here" and they beat her up, then it's because she is a woman. If a man says to three punks:"No smoking here" and they beat him up, it's because he was too stupid to shut the fuck up.


Did I summarize this properly?

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I'm gonna just start turning his posts into blackout poetry that says things that I agree with.

 

[YourCaptor]

It would be very interesting to see this exact scenario shot from a man's POV-- let men explain what they understand the situation to be.

Maybe the comparison would not be able to include sexual objectification, because the men who can't parse this video can't seem to see that the harassment is predicated on the women's assumption of their right to objectify any guy that comes their way.

Men-- who are almost never the recipients of that kind of attention-- find it hard to imagine that it happens all the time. For some guys, it seems to be impossible.
Or that it would be scary to be constantly surrounded by people who are bigger than you, and consistently have weight and reach on you.

What would you, speaking as a male member of this culture, use as a metaphore?

I'm not sure what exactly you are saying.

If I was to improve that scene. I would just remove the dialog. Have the punks trap the victim in the alley and the struggle ensues. Its just much simpler and clear cut. They are doing it because of sex and gender roles, etc.

Having the punks respond to provocation just dilutes the message.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm not sure what exactly you are saying.

If I was to improve that scene. I would just remove the dialog. Have the punks trap the victim in the alley and the struggle ensues. Its just much simpler and clear cut. They are doing it because of sex and gender roles, etc.

Having the punks respond to provocation just dilutes the message.

perhaps you could pass this information on to the producers-- I am not being sarcastic.

 

[rida]

I thought the most valid scene was the one in the police station with the coffee boy and the report.

I too have found that scene to be the most poignant in underlying the problem at large.

The violent parts, everybody would agree that they are wrong (OK, almost everybody), on the bases that beating up someone is never right.
The woman blatantly victim-blaming the man at the end, is also a pretty obviously wrong the way it is portrayed

But the little exchange between the officer and the coffee boy, the compliments on his looking good in jeans ... they are subtle enough that I fear many men and a few women might miss what's wrong with it. And when THAT too became obviously wrong without having to explain it, nor having people defending the compliment as good intentioned (it might be, but again it comes from a wrong albeit unconscious assumption on the part of most), I believe we'll be much closer to the end of sexism.

As an aside, when I was in college, I've never been a prude to turn down a compliment on my butt or any other curves from my friends. But I would also return the favor by randomly complimenting their body assets. The unease/sudden light bulb moment on their face was precious.
The people that stayed in my friend circle and were allowed to continue the "sexist" compliments were the one that understood the message, and accepted the returned favor. (It would became part of our banters/inner circle jokes)

The others ... usually felt too uncomfortable to stay around someone that would randomly smack their asses and compliment it

 

[KoPilot]

I don't forget anything. But you are talking about the fate of individuals, I'm talking about humanity. There were always the individuals that had to wrestle with saber-tooth cats and other individuals that sent out other people to do that.

You are belittling the improvement of pig farming over the saber-tooth cat wrestling, because the pig farmer was exploited by the feudal landowner. This is unsound.

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Heh, this is fun.

 

[KoPilot]

Hey Lex: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People

Wow, like we never would have guessed.

 

[Primalex]

Hey Lex: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People

Wow, like we never would have guessed.

Wow, I'm a sadist and there are sadists in a BDSM forum.


Next week in KoPilots astonishing findings:
Prolonged exposure to rain makes you all wet.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Wow, I'm a sadist and there are sadists in a BDSM forum.


Next week in KoPilots astonishing findings:
Prolonged exposure to rain makes you all wet.

Trolling is how you get your sadism kicks, really?

That is entirely pitiful.

 

[KoPilot]

Trolling is how you get your sadism kicks, really?

That is entirely pitiful.

Especially pitiful because his jabs are so weak. It's like... how do you aim for an asscheek and miss every time? I dunno, he manages to somehow though.

 

[Stella_Omega]

"I don’t know if some of you have been to these live reads at LACMA, where a classic film is read live on stage by actors who just sit and read the script. We did one recently of American Pie, but we reversed the gender roles. All the women played men; all the men played women. And it was so fascinating to be a part of this because, as the women took on these central roles — they had all the good lines, they had all the good laughs, all the great moments — the men who joined us to sit on stage started squirming rather uncomfortably and got really bored because they weren’t used to being the supporting cast.

It was fascinating to feel their discomfort [and] to discuss it with them afterward, when they said, “It’s boring to play the girl role!” And I said, “Yeah. Yeah. You think? Welcome to our world!"

—Olivia Wilde crushing it when she talks about women in Hollywood.
Via lean in

 

[intothewoods]

"I don’t know if some of you have been to these live reads at LACMA, where a classic film is read live on stage by actors who just sit and read the script. We did one recently of American Pie, but we reversed the gender roles. All the women played men; all the men played women. And it was so fascinating to be a part of this because, as the women took on these central roles — they had all the good lines, they had all the good laughs, all the great moments — the men who joined us to sit on stage started squirming rather uncomfortably and got really bored because they weren’t used to being the supporting cast.

It was fascinating to feel their discomfort [and] to discuss it with them afterward, when they said, “It’s boring to play the girl role!” And I said, “Yeah. Yeah. You think? Welcome to our world!"

—Olivia Wilde crushing it when she talks about women in Hollywood.
Via lean in

Yep.

Anyone see This is 40? There are some things about it I liked (and Judd Apatow has been supportive of funny women) but he so many funny women in that movie that he barely used. And some of the stuff was so tired too.

 

[Loverskitten]

 

[YourCaptor]

I too have found that scene to be the most poignant in underlying the problem at large.

The violent parts, everybody would agree that they are wrong (OK, almost everybody), on the bases that beating up someone is never right.
The woman blatantly victim-blaming the man at the end, is also a pretty obviously wrong the way it is portrayed

But the little exchange between the officer and the coffee boy, the compliments on his looking good in jeans ... they are subtle enough that I fear many men and a few women might miss what's wrong with it. And when THAT too became obviously wrong without having to explain it, nor having people defending the compliment as good intentioned (it might be, but again it comes from a wrong albeit unconscious assumption on the part of most), I believe we'll be much closer to the end of sexism.

As an aside, when I was in college, I've never been a prude to turn down a compliment on my butt or any other curves from my friends. But I would also return the favor by randomly complimenting their body assets. The unease/sudden light bulb moment on their face was precious.
The people that stayed in my friend circle and were allowed to continue the "sexist" compliments were the one that understood the message, and accepted the returned favor. (It would became part of our banters/inner circle jokes)

The others ... usually felt too uncomfortable to stay around someone that would randomly smack their asses and compliment it

I use to do that back when having sex was new.

Now a days its just like, great, but keep it to yourself unless I'm in that mood ok.

And that reminds me of the time I got sexually harassed.
Physical education in high school, walking past a group of girls, and I get my ass pinched. At first I was confused, then I was like omg they did that, then I was over it. lol

 

[YourCaptor]

lol Seriously, wtf.

 

[Stella_Omega]

well, it is a male talking raccoon-- with a gang of male sidekicks.