Black male & black female submissives in BDSM ?

[Etoile]

I understand what you're saying but it's left us as the majority group without a specific culture. Town Halls and government buildings are refusing to display xmas decorations, national flags and other symbols and it's filtering downwards. It's probably not an issue in the US so much where people still display national symbols and so on but my home town for example cancelled a carol singing event because it might offend minorities and then made huge big deals of non-christian events like the Chinese New Year. It's all gone a bit too far where I am.

I'm straying WAY off topic here though so I'll shut up at this point. I do agree with everything you've said and a black BDSM group shouldn't really be any more un-pc than the TNG groups for younger kinksters. There always seems to be an undercurrent with these things though and the scope for nurturing prejudice is always there.

Actually, I learned recently that this topic is VERY different between the UK and the US. A friend of mine in the UK who likes to forward silly e-mails sent me one stressing that Britons cannot be Britons anymore, and denigrating other ethnicities as well. I replied and said "wow, that's incredibly offensive" - here in the US it's not so acceptable to bash groups like that. He said he was shocked that I was offended, he thought the situation was the same in the US as it is there. He said that he identified with the e-mail for the same reasons you just said - "it's all gone a bit too far." Here in the US, one would never say that out loud - it's just not done. No matter what your private opinions, you're expected to respect the traditions of minority cultures in public. That kind of e-mail would probably never have been written by an American - but from what I understand, it is a very common British sentiment.

And yes, we are very much off topic, so I will shut up now.

 

[Netzach]

Actually, I learned recently that this topic is VERY different between the UK and the US. A friend of mine in the UK who likes to forward silly e-mails sent me one stressing that Britons cannot be Britons anymore, and denigrating other ethnicities as well. I replied and said "wow, that's incredibly offensive" - here in the US it's not so acceptable to bash groups like that. He said he was shocked that I was offended, he thought the situation was the same in the US as it is there. He said that he identified with the e-mail for the same reasons you just said - "it's all gone a bit too far." Here in the US, one would never say that out loud - it's just not done. No matter what your private opinions, you're expected to respect the traditions of minority cultures in public. That kind of e-mail would probably never have been written by an American - but from what I understand, it is a very common British sentiment.

And yes, we are very much off topic, so I will shut up now.

Well, when you've spent the better part of 500 years forcing other people to accept Briton-ness as the best way to be and they are spending this last-past century issuing a loud "fuck you" back, it's a bit de-stabilizing to have to cope with.

As an inconvenient US religious minority, I'm frankly sick of being blamed for shooting Santa.

 

[Homburg]

As an inconvenient US religious minority, I'm frankly sick of being blamed for shooting Santa.

The fat fuck was asking for it. Always breaking into people's homes, leaving empty scotch bottles, peeing on the furniture...

 

[Etoile]

Well, when you've spent the better part of 500 years forcing other people to accept Briton-ness as the best way to be and they are spending this last-past century issuing a loud "fuck you" back, it's a bit de-stabilizing to have to cope with.

As an inconvenient US religious minority, I'm frankly sick of being blamed for shooting Santa.

Oh yes indeed. See, we can get away without that in the US, because we're not even 250 years old and we're a melting pot yadda yadda yadda. Blerk.

 

[graceanne]

The fat fuck was asking for it. Always breaking into people's homes, leaving empty scotch bottles, peeing on the furniture...

SANTA IS A WOMAN!

At least in my house she is.

 

[myinnerslut]

SANTA IS A WOMAN!

At least in my house she is.

viv sent me this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmQDt7jVdXQ

 

[Homburg]

Blerk.

That doesn't sound good. You might want to get that checked.

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SANTA IS A WOMAN!

At least in my house she is.

You leave empty scotch bottles lying around and piss on the furniture?

The things you learn...

 

[Netzach]

The fat fuck was asking for it. Always breaking into people's homes, leaving empty scotch bottles, peeing on the furniture...

Now that's my kinda santa.

But we leave our door open for the biggest whackaloon prophet in the entire Bible.

 

[Homburg]

Now that's my kinda santa.

But we leave our door open for the biggest whackaloon prophet in the entire Bible.

Slick nick stole a reindeer from the zoo
Fell down my chimney with a keg of brew
Put my dog out in the cold
Ripped off the candy from my socks
Smokin' cloves and drinkin' scotch

Slick nick you devil you
(devil you, devil you)
Slick nick you devil you
(devil you, devil you)

Dressed in red and overweight boot
Stole the tv and the stereo
And the toys
The toys were broken too

You devil you
Slick nick you devil you

I saw slick nick fall over the x-mas tree
He was a whole different man from
What mom and dad told me
Spillin' jack daniels all over the drapes
Spray-painting a bad finger over the fireplace
Tatoos on his arms and knees
I never thought santa claus would be such a sleaze ! but...

Slick nick you devil you...

Cussin' and coppin' and playin' punk-rock
And every once in a while you'd just scratch your jock
Hey ! slick nick, where are my toys ?
You went drinking with the boys
You put mad dog in my sock
I wanted candy (x3)
Oh, oh ! I thought you were my buddy and chum
But you're just a downtown bum
Instead of putting presents in front of my eyes
You just told me a bunch of lies...

Slick nick you devil you...
Santa claus... huh !

Fishbone, "Slick Nick, you devil" (I couldn't find a video or MP3 on the net, sorry)

And, for Zombie Christ goodness, go here and listen to the goodness of "Night of the Living Christ".

 

[VelvetDarkness]

Actually, I learned recently that this topic is VERY different between the UK and the US. A friend of mine in the UK who likes to forward silly e-mails sent me one stressing that Britons cannot be Britons anymore, and denigrating other ethnicities as well. I replied and said "wow, that's incredibly offensive" - here in the US it's not so acceptable to bash groups like that. He said he was shocked that I was offended, he thought the situation was the same in the US as it is there. He said that he identified with the e-mail for the same reasons you just said - "it's all gone a bit too far." Here in the US, one would never say that out loud - it's just not done. No matter what your private opinions, you're expected to respect the traditions of minority cultures in public. That kind of e-mail would probably never have been written by an American - but from what I understand, it is a very common British sentiment.

And yes, we are very much off topic, so I will shut up now.

I suppose that posting on a board anonymously doesn't feel the same as 'saying it out loud.' I worked for the NHS, the biggest multicultural employer in the UK and I have no problem whatsoever with people's nationality, sexuality, race, creed or whatever. When dealing with individuals, I'm absolutely fine.

What Americans can overlook when it comes to comparing our societies however, is that the UK now has over 70 million people clinging to some very small rocks and our society as a whole is a great deal more diverse than most of the US. It's very hard not to step on people's toes under those conditions and to feel that everything offends somebody whether it's a religious symbol, national symbol or flag (and we have many here - English St George X, Welsh flag, Irish flag, Scottish flag and the ever optimistic Union Jack - that's a shitload of opportunity for conflict long before you throw in the blue starred EU flag and non-nationals in general) or whatever. Our way of life as British people is in a state of flux and many traditions are under threat for a variety of reasons. The problem with trying to be so PC it hurts is that it is never possible to please everyone and governments shouldn't try.

Ours is trying, and it's failing miserably.

I wouldn't travel to India and piss on Divali. I wouldn't go to NYC and get offended about Independence Day. I wouldn't recoil in horror at every US flag dangling all over the place. The trouble in the UK is that people do and they do it because the government lets them. Our minorities are tipping the balance and the day is really coming when people who have been born here and identify primarily as British will not be in the majority here any more. The EU has led to immigration on an incalculable scale and we're still the destination of choice for many other immigrants and asylum seekers outside Europe. It's really hard to convey all this to someone unless they come and see for themselves. I can understand though, where your email correspondent is coming from with this.

I apologise Samuelx, I said I'd shut up and stop hijacking but I really felt I had to respond. You can all go back to the important task of dissing Santa now

 

[VelvetDarkness]

Well, when you've spent the better part of 500 years forcing other people to accept Briton-ness as the best way to be and they are spending this last-past century issuing a loud "fuck you" back, it's a bit de-stabilizing to have to cope with.

That remains a very good point and it really is beautifully put by Netz. Trouble is they're screaming 'fuck you!' back a few hundred years too late and at a completely different nationfull of people who, in the main, are left hurt and bemused by all the hostility. There are many Britons who see us as a knight in shining armour and overly charitable to other nations. We finance poorer nations in the EU, huge chunks of NATO, the UN and contribute heavily to international aid groups such as for Zimbabwe and the Congo at present. The Iraq war may have been a fiasco from end to end but most Brits still believe that on the whole, we do more good than harm as a nation.

 

[graceanne]

viv sent me this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmQDt7jVdXQ

I've seen that. It made me laugh AGAIN! How many times can you watch that and STILL laugh?

Nonetheless, that's why God invented locks.

 

[graceanne]

You leave empty scotch bottles lying around and piss on the furniture?

The things you learn...

Smart ass.

 

[Homburg]

It's really hard to convey all this to someone unless they come and see for themselves. I can understand though, where your email correspondent is coming from with this.

One of my best friends in the world is a Briton. He lives here in the States now, largely because, while he loves his homeland, he can't stand what it has turned into. The final straw was his mixed-race nephew being murdered in large part because he was mixed race.

He's like a brother to me, so I am happy to have him closer, but I hate that he felt that he had to leave the country he loved. And I know far too many British ex-pats that say the exact same thing.

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Smart ass.

 

[Samuelx]

One of my best friends in the world is a Briton. He lives here in the States now, largely because, while he loves his homeland, he can't stand what it has turned into. The final straw was his mixed-race nephew being murdered in large part because he was mixed race.

He's like a brother to me, so I am happy to have him closer, but I hate that he felt that he had to leave the country he loved. And I know far too many British ex-pats that say the exact same thing.

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what a world we live in !

 

[graceanne]

In our house Santa eats all the chocolate covered cherries, drinks a BIG glass of milk and farts all over the furniture.

 

[Samuelx]

In our house Santa eats all the chocolate covered cherries, drinks a BIG glass of milk and farts all over the furniture.

You have a lovely home.

 

[graceanne]

You have a lovely home.

LOL

..

 

[Samuelx]

It's true.

 

[graceanne]

It's true.

You say that cause you've never smelled mine . . . er, Santa's farts after a glass of milk.

 

[Cattypuss]

The discussion of race issues in the US vs the UK is interesting to me. I guess that without a whole raft of statistics any view on this stuff is going to be highly subjective, but for what it's worth -

I am white, and for 11 years I had a live-in boyfriend who was Asian (by which I mean from the Indian subcontinent - that's what Brits usually mean when they say "Asian"). Never once in 11 years did we get stared at or commented upon - except when we went on holiday to France, when in the space of a week we had about a dozen insults hurled at us in the street (I speak fluent French). He happily calls himself a Muslim in the UK but would definitely think twice about doing so outside the UK.

After him I married a man who was half black-Jamaican but looked white in most lights. For years we lived in a neighbourhood that was about 1/3 white, 1/3 Asian and 1/3 black. Very mixed. All three races in every street. I always felt totally at home there. We went on a bike-touring holiday around Florida and were SHOCKED at the fact that we never saw mixed communities - black and white segregation seemed to be total, and riding though both parts of any town we were also shocked by how much poorer and run-down the black parts were. In bars we'd never see black people. We'd usually get talking to the locals of an evening in a bar. I can't remember a single evening where we weren't treated to a tirade against black people by a white person. These were the only times in all the time I knew my husband that he didn't mention in a conversation about race the fact that he was part-black. We certainly felt much, much more racism in the US than in the UK.

In my view what has happened in recent years in the UK is that respecting diversity of culture as well as race has been a big issue. For a long time cultural differences have been respected, in the main, with little fuss. But lately it has become very politicised, with for instance edicts issued that local authorities when they put up festive lights should be careful never to refer to them as "Chrtistmas" lights, for fear of offending non-Christians. This kind of edict has offended some Brits. I'd say though that they are a minority (albeit large one) and tend to be the less well educated Brits.

 

[satindesire]

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[Netzach]

Um, owch? Is that necessary, Netz?

I think Elijah would commonly be referred to as "crazy homeless guy" by today's standards.

 

[Etoile]

I think Elijah would commonly be referred to as "crazy homeless guy" by today's standards.

*cracks up*

 

[graceanne]

I think Elijah would commonly be referred to as "crazy homeless guy" by today's standards.

I think he was considered a crazy homeless guy by their standards, too.