Black male & black female submissives in BDSM ?

[YourCaptor]

I think he was considered a crazy homeless guy by their standards, too.

I think all of the bible is meant for people who would be considered homeless these days, or at least gypsies. To literally apply it to a modern wester lifestyle is just odd.

 

[Samuelx]

The discussion of race issues in the US vs the UK is interesting to me. I guess that without a whole raft of statistics any view on this stuff is going to be highly subjective, but for what it's worth -

I am white, and for 11 years I had a live-in boyfriend who was Asian (by which I mean from the Indian subcontinent - that's what Brits usually mean when they say "Asian"). Never once in 11 years did we get stared at or commented upon - except when we went on holiday to France, when in the space of a week we had about a dozen insults hurled at us in the street (I speak fluent French). He happily calls himself a Muslim in the UK but would definitely think twice about doing so outside the UK.

After him I married a man who was half black-Jamaican but looked white in most lights. For years we lived in a neighbourhood that was about 1/3 white, 1/3 Asian and 1/3 black. Very mixed. All three races in every street. I always felt totally at home there. We went on a bike-touring holiday around Florida and were SHOCKED at the fact that we never saw mixed communities - black and white segregation seemed to be total, and riding though both parts of any town we were also shocked by how much poorer and run-down the black parts were. In bars we'd never see black people. We'd usually get talking to the locals of an evening in a bar. I can't remember a single evening where we weren't treated to a tirade against black people by a white person. These were the only times in all the time I knew my husband that he didn't mention in a conversation about race the fact that he was part-black. We certainly felt much, much more racism in the US than in the UK.

In my view what has happened in recent years in the UK is that respecting diversity of culture as well as race has been a big issue. For a long time cultural differences have been respected, in the main, with little fuss. But lately it has become very politicised, with for instance edicts issued that local authorities when they put up festive lights should be careful never to refer to them as "Chrtistmas" lights, for fear of offending non-Christians. This kind of edict has offended some Brits. I'd say though that they are a minority (albeit large one) and tend to be the less well educated Brits.

Americans aren't as advanced, apparently.

 

[satindesire]

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[HarlotMinx]

First off, just based on the sheer number of PMs I get from CM from black men and women in my area I know for a fact that BDSM is not a unknown acronym in the black community.

However I notice that when I'm at the local clubs, despite being in Washington DC which has a fairly decent black community the club is almost always white dominated. I see them at the swinger events and the queer clubs quite a bit but rarely if ever at kink events. However this isn't just specific to that ethnicity, I know only a handful of Indian, Asian (more so Asians), or Hispanics that show up for the kink events. The ones who do however seem to be less closely tied to their cultures. This isn't universally true but on a large part I've seen it.

I'm not entirely sure if this is due to ethnic cultures having BDSM but having their own version/view to it and thus not mixing with what might be perceived as a white dominated culture and thus forming their own circles or just that they aren't as social about it. The first is entirely likely as even within the community theirs definite circles and deep lines of division between groups. I remember a well known and respected Dom in the leather community and BDSM community as a whole who at one point felt that people who weren't gay simply didn't know how to dominate or submit. Now he got over this and like I said is now greatly respected but it shows the divisions.

I'm not saying that theirs this hidden black BDSM group everywhere or even that it's hidden but I have noticed that locally they don't tend to run in the same social circles.

And now for the amazingly relevant comedic relief (it's really worth seeing, promise).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sshAhLPuV_I&feature=related
Same comedian, I'm submitting it as proof of the white culture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyPMyWoDwj0&feature=related

Now if you need me, I'll be off expressing my culture with the chicken dance.

-poppet

 

[Etoile]

Don't forget, DC itself is majority black. Us white folk mostly live in the suburbs. This makes it even more interesting that kink events are mostly white...it means people are making the effort to cone into the city for these things.

Is BR mostly white? I've never been to their events myself, though I do have a friend who is a regular DM for them.

 

[Samuelx]

First off, just based on the sheer number of PMs I get from CM from black men and women in my area I know for a fact that BDSM is not a unknown acronym in the black community.

However I notice that when I'm at the local clubs, despite being in Washington DC which has a fairly decent black community the club is almost always white dominated. I see them at the swinger events and the queer clubs quite a bit but rarely if ever at kink events. However this isn't just specific to that ethnicity, I know only a handful of Indian, Asian (more so Asians), or Hispanics that show up for the kink events. The ones who do however seem to be less closely tied to their cultures. This isn't universally true but on a large part I've seen it.

I'm not entirely sure if this is due to ethnic cultures having BDSM but having their own version/view to it and thus not mixing with what might be perceived as a white dominated culture and thus forming their own circles or just that they aren't as social about it. The first is entirely likely as even within the community theirs definite circles and deep lines of division between groups. I remember a well known and respected Dom in the leather community and BDSM community as a whole who at one point felt that people who weren't gay simply didn't know how to dominate or submit. Now he got over this and like I said is now greatly respected but it shows the divisions.

I'm not saying that theirs this hidden black BDSM group everywhere or even that it's hidden but I have noticed that locally they don't tend to run in the same social circles.

And now for the amazingly relevant comedic relief (it's really worth seeing, promise).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sshAhLPuV_I&feature=related
Same comedian, I'm submitting it as proof of the white culture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyPMyWoDwj0&feature=related

Now if you need me, I'll be off expressing my culture with the chicken dance.

-poppet

You have a point there. I know of all-black gay hangouts in Boston and I frequent some of them. It stands to reason that black men and black women who are into BDSM might have their own club and might not really be into hanging out with non-black BDSM fanatics. To each his or her own, I guess.

 

[TerribleChester]

The discussion of race issues in the US vs the UK is interesting to me. I guess that without a whole raft of statistics any view on this stuff is going to be highly subjective, but for what it's worth -

I am white, and for 11 years I had a live-in boyfriend who was Asian (by which I mean from the Indian subcontinent - that's what Brits usually mean when they say "Asian"). Never once in 11 years did we get stared at or commented upon - except when we went on holiday to France, when in the space of a week we had about a dozen insults hurled at us in the street (I speak fluent French). He happily calls himself a Muslim in the UK but would definitely think twice about doing so outside the UK.

After him I married a man who was half black-Jamaican but looked white in most lights. For years we lived in a neighbourhood that was about 1/3 white, 1/3 Asian and 1/3 black. Very mixed. All three races in every street. I always felt totally at home there. We went on a bike-touring holiday around Florida and were SHOCKED at the fact that we never saw mixed communities - black and white segregation seemed to be total, and riding though both parts of any town we were also shocked by how much poorer and run-down the black parts were. In bars we'd never see black people. We'd usually get talking to the locals of an evening in a bar. I can't remember a single evening where we weren't treated to a tirade against black people by a white person. These were the only times in all the time I knew my husband that he didn't mention in a conversation about race the fact that he was part-black. We certainly felt much, much more racism in the US than in the UK.

In my view what has happened in recent years in the UK is that respecting diversity of culture as well as race has been a big issue. For a long time cultural differences have been respected, in the main, with little fuss. But lately it has become very politicised, with for instance edicts issued that local authorities when they put up festive lights should be careful never to refer to them as "Chrtistmas" lights, for fear of offending non-Christians. This kind of edict has offended some Brits. I'd say though that they are a minority (albeit large one) and tend to be the less well educated Brits.

How the fuck do you know how well somebody is or isn't educated, you stuck up cunt?

 

[Cattypuss]

How the fuck do you know how well somebody is or isn't educated, you stuck up cunt?

Gosh, you really are feeling very angry about something, aren't you? I hope you soon feel better.

 

[Samuelx]

Gosh, you really are feeling very angry about something, aren't you? I hope you soon feel better.

Anger leads to hate, hate to suffering. It's the path of the dark side.

 

[OlderBiMan]

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[Samuelx]

I found this not only delightful but oddly appropriate.

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http://xhamster.com/movies/54488/whi...lave_hard.html

http://xhamster.com/movies/30279/man...lack_girl.html

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I like that !

 

[HarlotMinx]

Is BR mostly white? I've never been to their events myself, though I do have a friend who is a regular DM for them.

That's exactly what I was thinking of! And yes it is, at this years BR I handful on people traditionally considered non Caucasian. So this whole topic has been bothering me a bit over the past few days so I did what any smart sub does when they have troublesome questions... go to their massage therapist! In addition to the awesome massage I got an answer that was satisfactory.

He's been in the scene quite a bit longer than I have and hence one would hope more knowledgeable. Anyway he remembered a talk he had about 4 years back with a few friends of his who were kinky and black but never active in the community. The two couples both agreed that they'd never felt like the local community had extended itself to specifically invite the black kink community. While I find this odd since most of the community I know makes a point to being open to all kinks, sexes, genders, and races.

He also continued with this thought, the bdsm community is inherently a minority (a fairly small one and not very well accepted one at that) and people who have spent their entire life living as a minority may not want to further put themselves into a minority. It's interesting because like mentioned above i know about plenty of black gay clubs even though their plenty of other gay clubs which do open themselves to all nationalities. I think that while the gay/lesbian community IS a minority it's a much larger and well accepted one so people of that minority band together based on similarity.

Eh, okay I'm done with my ramblings, just wanted to put the ideas out.... though I'm not entirely sure what they have to do with the original topic.

-poppet

 

[Samuelx]

That's exactly what I was thinking of! And yes it is, at this years BR I handful on people traditionally considered non Caucasian. So this whole topic has been bothering me a bit over the past few days so I did what any smart sub does when they have troublesome questions... go to their massage therapist! In addition to the awesome massage I got an answer that was satisfactory.

He's been in the scene quite a bit longer than I have and hence one would hope more knowledgeable. Anyway he remembered a talk he had about 4 years back with a few friends of his who were kinky and black but never active in the community. The two couples both agreed that they'd never felt like the local community had extended itself to specifically invite the black kink community. While I find this odd since most of the community I know makes a point to being open to all kinks, sexes, genders, and races.

He also continued with this thought, the bdsm community is inherently a minority (a fairly small one and not very well accepted one at that) and people who have spent their entire life living as a minority may not want to further put themselves into a minority. It's interesting because like mentioned above i know about plenty of black gay clubs even though their plenty of other gay clubs which do open themselves to all nationalities. I think that while the gay/lesbian community IS a minority it's a much larger and well accepted one so people of that minority band together based on similarity.

Eh, okay I'm done with my ramblings, just wanted to put the ideas out.... though I'm not entirely sure what they have to do with the original topic.

-poppet

we're always grateful for intelligent, open-minded thought.

 

[OlderBiMan]

That's exactly what I was thinking of! And yes it is, at this years BR I handful on people traditionally considered non Caucasian. So this whole topic has been bothering me a bit over the past few days so I did what any smart sub does when they have troublesome questions... go to their massage therapist! In addition to the awesome massage I got an answer that was satisfactory.

He's been in the scene quite a bit longer than I have and hence one would hope more knowledgeable. Anyway he remembered a talk he had about 4 years back with a few friends of his who were kinky and black but never active in the community. The two couples both agreed that they'd never felt like the local community had extended itself to specifically invite the black kink community. While I find this odd since most of the community I know makes a point to being open to all kinks, sexes, genders, and races.

He also continued with this thought, the bdsm community is inherently a minority (a fairly small one and not very well accepted one at that) and people who have spent their entire life living as a minority may not want to further put themselves into a minority. It's interesting because like mentioned above i know about plenty of black gay clubs even though their plenty of other gay clubs which do open themselves to all nationalities. I think that while the gay/lesbian community IS a minority it's a much larger and well accepted one so people of that minority band together based on similarity.

Eh, okay I'm done with my ramblings, just wanted to put the ideas out.... though I'm not entirely sure what they have to do with the original topic.

-poppet

If blacks and whites who are consenting adults wanna do stuff togethe3r, its their right.

 

[MichaelWest]

The really kinky folks, never look like the people running your local leather shop. I look forward to reading them.

Perhaps I am lucky, the folks at our local shops look rather bizarrely ordinary to me.

But I rather think that Ward and June were far kinkier than Gomez and Morticia, although see was quite alluring and I thought might look rather fetching in some chain.

 

[MichaelWest]

Samuelx, I hope to read your stories. "BDSM" should be color blind as they say. So I look forward to reading some "porn" that isn't all about just white folk (being a "white" folk of sorts). Viva La Difference and Sameness we share!

 

[Esclava]

, they extremely rare indeed....

Not really. They just aren't hanging out here.

We do ... we're just REALLY quiet ...

Esclava

 

[Esclava]

I am a black woman with a preference for white Significant Others. One of the stories I have published on this site was written about a black submissive meeting her white Master for the first time. I wrote it using my own thoughts and perspectives as a guide. I also didn't "label" either character's race. It seemed to me that the couple would take on chracteristics the reader applied to them (Yes, I DO have shoulder length hair worn frequently in a chignon).

Fortunately (or unfortunately), I've been color blind all my life and didn't realize when I wrote that story how it spoke volumes about my outlook and how I see the world.

Black submissives exist ... just as black Switches exist ... Some of us may be hard to find because we don't resemble the stereotypical ghetto Queen or Princess - many think they're looking for.

Esclava

 

[Samuelx]

I am a black woman with a preference for white Significant Others. One of the stories I have published on this site was written about a black submissive meeting her white Master for the first time. I wrote it using my own thoughts and perspectives as a guide. I also didn't "label" either character's race. It seemed to me that the couple would take on chracteristics the reader applied to them (Yes, I DO have shoulder length hair worn frequently in a chignon).

Fortunately (or unfortunately), I've been color blind all my life and didn't realize when I wrote that story how it spoke volumes about my outlook and how I see the world.

Black submissives exist ... just as black Switches exist ... Some of us may be hard to find because we don't resemble the stereotypical ghetto Queen or Princess - many think they're looking for.

Esclava

Do your thing, sister.