Brain Wide Shut?

[La Kajira]

LOL!

I'm not greedy, Fury, if I find someone like that I'll share.

 

[FurryFury]

LOL!

I'm not greedy, Fury, if I find someone like that I'll share.

Well my dear! I LIKE you! I don't mind sharing either, at least not online.

Working on the rest too but we shall see.

Fury

 

[mdiaz451]

topic??? we don't neeed no....

Does anyone here ever stick to the topic?????

It's really hard to answer the original post, because to replies get SO far off topic, and the way the posts are displayed (at least for me) whejn I try to reply I can't see what the original post WAS!!!!

Not to flame, but - can't you guys chat someplace away from a forum?

 

[mdiaz451]

reply.....

I hate paying bills so I always buy a calendar that has some bit of inspiration in it for my bill paying days. On my calendar today is the following thought:

"Enlightenment is not only the end of continuous conflict within and without, but also the end of the dreadful enslavement to incessant thinking, what an astonishing liberation this is."

That really struck me and got me to thinking.

How many of us seek, as I often do, to shut our over active brains down and just experience pure sensation?

The idea of that is so appealing to me. Though I find it rather hard to achieve. Life is so busy and I'm always in charge of so many things. My mind is nearly always going off in a hundred directions at once.

So is anyone else out there trying to shut down that pesky brain when they play?

You ask 2 questions. #1 I don't know how many can shut off their brains. Anyone who has laid in bed unable to sleep because they can't relax knows this feeling.

Meditation helps, so does having a physically active schedule so your body needs to rest!

#2 I am not trying to shut off my brain when I play. As a Dom, I am responsible for myself and my sub. I need to gauge how she is doing, and make sure we don't make so much noise the fire department is called....

 

[La Kajira]

Uhm, I'm sorry?

 

[FurryFury]

Does anyone here ever stick to the topic?????

It's really hard to answer the original post, because to replies get SO far off topic, and the way the posts are displayed (at least for me) whejn I try to reply I can't see what the original post WAS!!!!

Not to flame, but - can't you guys chat someplace away from a forum?

Hi Mdiaz!

People are human beings and as such they get off topic. That may be a bit frustrating at times. I'm sorry you found it so, but that is life.

Folks enjoy chatting about more than one thing in a thread.

I've gotten used to it. It doesn't bother me. Actually it gives more options.

Fury

You ask 2 questions. #1 I don't know how many can shut off their brains. Anyone who has laid in bed unable to sleep because they can't relax knows this feeling.

Meditation helps, so does having a physically active schedule so your body needs to rest!

#2 I am not trying to shut off my brain when I play. As a Dom, I am responsible for myself and my sub. I need to gauge how she is doing, and make sure we don't make so much noise the fire department is called....

Thanks Mdiaz!

Yes I have laid abed mind whirling many, many times. It can be tough to deal with.

I am beginning to meditate again. I do have a very busy demanding schedule in every way.

I agree that as a Dominant, they are the "designated drivers" at the "party." I've stated it would scare me to have someone in a Dom space that was in charge of the scene. Furthermore, this is one clear reason why I don't seek to be in charge of scenes, I want to let go.

Nonetheless I often am in charge. When I am in charge I am not trying to get into Dom space. I am trying to watch the other person for signs of pleasure, limits and such. Which is what I expect them to be doing for me when the tables are reversed.

Fury

Uhm, I'm sorry?

Don't be sorry on my account. This is a thread I started and I'm okay with folks, deviating (deviant people *smiles and chuckles*) from the topic a bit and generally chatting. That's the way life is with people. I don't mind it. I find almost everything talked about interesting!

Fury

 

[Jay Davis]

How do you tell, when you've hit that stage? Sub space. How do you know?

I imagine it's probably not possible in online writing?

It's hard to describe in words, but if you are in it, you'll know--or at least you'll know when you come back up out of it, that that was where you were.

Basically, it's when all the words and thoughts and past and future go out of your mind, and you are completely in the moment. There is no tomorrow, no yesterday...just the current sensations.

I seriously doubt one could get there by reading or writing...for me at least, words block the entrance to subspace. Sensuous music, particularly music you associate with sensation, might help--I've been topped with Enigma running in the background a few times, and that album with the chants often makes me a bit spacy. I've heard that particularly susceptable people can go into subspace just watching an intense scene. Perhaps someone with party-play or public play experience can chime in on that topic.

For myself, very, very occasionally, I've found myself on the edges of subspace watching particularly good D/s videos. It's not so much what is going on, but the strength of the presence of the Domme--mostly her voice--that works for/on me. What happens in these cases is something else happens to snap my attention away from the video, when I suddenly realize I've had my eyes closed, and I've been away for a surprisingly long time.

 

[Jay Davis]

Does anyone here ever stick to the topic?????

It's really hard to answer the original post, because to replies get SO far off topic, and the way the posts are displayed (at least for me) whejn I try to reply I can't see what the original post WAS!!!!

Not to flame, but - can't you guys chat someplace away from a forum?

With all due respect, I'd like to make a couple points...

1. This thread has stayed remarkably close to the original topic, which was shutting down your brain and focussing on nothing but sensation. Probably 85% of the posts have been directly about that topic, either asking questions, answering them, or sharing anecdotes.

2. This conversation has been going on some time, it's on its fourth page now, and if a couple of side-comments have crept in between friends, so be it. Think of these forums as an online cocktail party, not a graduate seminar, relax, and enjoy the company.

If you want to answer the original post, and not any of the ones since, then click the "quote" button in the original post. This will insert that post as a quote in your own, so you can re-read it as you write. It will also help people to remember what precisely you wanted to respond to. This will also serve to put the thread back on track, if it's wandered.

 

[La Kajira]

Thank you very much, Jay.

I have gotten really into some things that I've read, or written... I just read a piece by DVS that made my toes tingle and my ears ring. I liked it a lot.

But I doubt that is sub space.



Thanks Fury... I appreciate it. I'm trying very hard not to step on toes or make bad impressions... thanks for that.

 

[Jay Davis]

Thank you very much, Jay.

I have gotten really into some things that I've read, or written... I just read a piece by DVS that made my toes tingle and my ears ring. I liked it a lot.

But I doubt that is sub space.

Try reading it with Enigma on the stereo...

But really, for me at least, it doesn't really, really work unless there's someone else involved. Part of it is the freedom of being completely vulnerable, totally in the hands and at the mercy of someone else. I can sniff around the edges alone, with the right (mental) stimulation, but I can't really get deep by myself, at all.

 

[La Kajira]

*moan*

Ah, Jay. The vulnerability thing gets me every time.

 

[FurryFury]

It's hard to describe in words, but if you are in it, you'll know--or at least you'll know when you come back up out of it, that that was where you were.

Basically, it's when all the words and thoughts and past and future go out of your mind, and you are completely in the moment. There is no tomorrow, no yesterday...just the current sensations.

I seriously doubt one could get there by reading or writing...for me at least, words block the entrance to subspace. Sensuous music, particularly music you associate with sensation, might help--I've been topped with Enigma running in the background a few times, and that album with the chants often makes me a bit spacy. I've heard that particularly susceptable people can go into subspace just watching an intense scene. Perhaps someone with party-play or public play experience can chime in on that topic.

For myself, very, very occasionally, I've found myself on the edges of subspace watching particularly good D/s videos. It's not so much what is going on, but the strength of the presence of the Domme--mostly her voice--that works for/on me. What happens in these cases is something else happens to snap my attention away from the video, when I suddenly realize I've had my eyes closed, and I've been away for a surprisingly long time.

Jay, this is why I love my The Power of Now calendar! In fact, I'm starting to meditate to some of the thoughts in it!

I was once told that I am a wordsmith and that words control me, blocking me from the very things I want. He said I don't control the words, they control me. I'm not sure about that. I am intrigued by that idea.

I do doubt you can find sub space by reading or writing.

In any case, I will continue to seek that which I want.

Fury

Thank you very much, Jay.

I have gotten really into some things that I've read, or written... I just read a piece by DVS that made my toes tingle and my ears ring. I liked it a lot.

But I doubt that is sub space.



Thanks Fury... I appreciate it. I'm trying very hard not to step on toes or make bad impressions... thanks for that.

No problems with me at all La Kajira!

I am also a big fan of DVS's and that is a nice long thread!

*grins*

I love reading it!

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

To meditate on or not...

Today's thought:

Don't be concerned with the fruit of your action. Just give attention to the action itself. The fruit will come of it's own accord.

Fury

 

[kel-belle]

Egads.. Not being able to turn off my brain has always been an issue for me. I tend to be a thinker.. and a worrier.. I haven't always been like this. When I was a teenager, my mom would always tell me to take my life more seriously, (I was so laid back, it was comical.. even when my frame of mind wasn't altered chemically).

When I became an adult, the pendulum swung in the other direction and now I take life wayyy too seriously. If my husband wakes me up when he comes to bed, I lay there worrying until he finally rubs my back to put me back to sleep.

Sex is another area where my inability to turn off my thoughts tends to hold me back. Hubby and I have found that waking up two steps into the act works well. Not having the opportunity to dwell on all the responsibilities of my life helps me give myself up to the experience and the sensations.

I am way too grown up for my own good. I discovered during some deep soul searching several years ago that I have a problem being a little kid. (Little babygirl during sex not withstanding). It's really hard for me to just let go. So I try to do something every day just for the fun of it.. whether that is jumping on a trampoline, coloring or the simple act of a ticklefight with my son.

This is a great thread.. thanks for bringing it up

kel

 

[FurryFury]

Egads.. Not being able to turn off my brain has always been an issue for me. I tend to be a thinker.. and a worrier.. I haven't always been like this. When I was a teenager, my mom would always tell me to take my life more seriously, (I was so laid back, it was comical.. even when my frame of mind wasn't altered chemically).

When I became an adult, the pendulum swung in the other direction and now I take life wayyy too seriously. If my husband wakes me up when he comes to bed, I lay there worrying until he finally rubs my back to put me back to sleep.

Sex is another area where my inability to turn off my thoughts tends to hold me back. Hubby and I have found that waking up two steps into the act works well. Not having the opportunity to dwell on all the responsibilities of my life helps me give myself up to the experience and the sensations.

I am way too grown up for my own good. I discovered during some deep soul searching several years ago that I have a problem being a little kid. (Little babygirl during sex not withstanding). It's really hard for me to just let go. So I try to do something every day just for the fun of it.. whether that is jumping on a trampoline, coloring or the simple act of a ticklefight with my son.

This is a great thread.. thanks for bringing it up

kel

Hi Kel-Bel!

I'm glad you like the thread! *hugs* Thanks for coming by!

I do think doing something just for fun everyday is great!

I have some of those same problems with relaxing and sleeping, therefore waking me up with sex isn't so good for me! If I am actually asleep? Let me sleep!

My husband told me it was literally two years that we lived together before he ever saw me sleep! LOL!

(I was sleeping but I guess it was after he dropped off.)

I did try the sex when I was asleep thing and quite honestly? I think we both felt it would be more fun to just masturbate than deal with the other one in that state. Sad but true!

I'm still searching the for that blessed temporary shut off valve for my lil busy bee brain!

Speaking of which, I think I'm gonna try to go catch some zzzz's right bout now!

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

True for you? Or not?

"Surrender is perfectly compatible with taking action. Initiating change, and achieving goals. But in the surrendered state a totally different quality flows into your doing. In the state of surrender, you see very clearly what needs to be done, and you take action, doing one thing at a time and focusing on one thing." ~From The Power of Now Calendar by Eckhart Tolle.

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

What do you think bout this here now?

When you surrender to what is and so become fully present. The past ceases to have any power. You do not need it anymore. Presence in the key. The now is the key. ~ From The Power of Now Calendar by Earnest Tolle.

 

[FurryFury]

"Action arising out of insight into what is required is more effective than action arising out of negativity."

 

[Shadowedge]

I have found it very helpful to meditate, both in getting to sleep, and getting my head to stop whriling. Nothing specail or complicated. I lie on my back with my hands resting on my abdomin, and breath in. As I breath in I tell my self that i am pulling happy enegry down from the sky, and then as I exhale that I am sending that enery rushing down through my body.

I found that this gets me the closest to Sub space without a partner that i have experinced. and then I fall asleep.

on the other hand, when I am in sub space forcing myself to be verbal, or my dom forcing me too, brings me enough out if it that I can safe word if I need to. so we do check ins from time to time when I'm deep under.

As for telling when someone is in Sub space, I can only discribe my symtoms. I get much quieter, or stop making noise all together, when usually I am very loud. I move slower, and stop flinching at blows. It takes me quite a while to answer a question.

I could tell you what happens in my head, but I'm not sure how helpful that would be.

 

[FurryFury]

I have found it very helpful to meditate, both in getting to sleep, and getting my head to stop whriling. Nothing specail or complicated. I lie on my back with my hands resting on my abdomin, and breath in. As I breath in I tell my self that i am pulling happy enegry down from the sky, and then as I exhale that I am sending that enery rushing down through my body.

I found that this gets me the closest to Sub space without a partner that i have experinced. and then I fall asleep.

on the other hand, when I am in sub space forcing myself to be verbal, or my dom forcing me too, brings me enough out if it that I can safe word if I need to. so we do check ins from time to time when I'm deep under.

As for telling when someone is in Sub space, I can only discribe my symtoms. I get much quieter, or stop making noise all together, when usually I am very loud. I move slower, and stop flinching at blows. It takes me quite a while to answer a question.

I could tell you what happens in my head, but I'm not sure how helpful that would be.

Hi Shadowedge!

Meditation can be great! I will try that exercise your way some time soon. I particularly like to do it combined with the diaphragmic yoga type of breathing. I have yet to master circular breathing but I will continue to work on it.

I appreciate you words and post! Thanks!

I don't know how describing what happens in your head during can help either but I'd love to read what you have to say! I am nearly always curious!

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

"Silence is a potent carrier of presence. Be aware of the gaps. To listen to the silence, wherever you are is an easy and direct way of becoming present."

Interesting idea. True?

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

Agree or not?

"True salvation is freedom from compulsive thinking, from negativity and above all from past and future as a psychological need."

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

Words to consider

"Genuine relationships become possible only when there is an awareness of being. Coming from being, you will perceive another person's body and mind as just a screen, behind which you can feel their true reality, as you feel yours."

 

[FurryFury]

"Remember that your perception of the world is a reflection of your state of consciousness. You are not separate from it, and there is not and objective world out there. Every moment, you consciousness creates the world that you inhabit." Eckhart Tolle from The Power of Now Calendar.

I think this also applies to your subconscious which we often are not nearly as aware of.

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

"Enlightenment means choosing to dwell in the state of presence rather than in time. It means saying yes to what is." ~Eckhert Tolle