Disappointments

[estragon]

The title of this thread says it all. This is so disappointing. I have said more than once that these Literotica Bulletin Boards are cheaper than therapy. I never said they were a substitute for therapy. Would you please take your inadequacies somewhere else?

 

[sr71plt]

The title of this thread says it all. This is so disappointing. I have said more than once that these Literotica Bulletin Boards are cheaper than therapy. I never said they were a substitute for therapy. Would you please take your inadequacies somewhere else?

You've said it all yourself:

"I told you once. Maybe you didn't get it. I'll try again. Say whatever you like, wherever you like. I will do likewise. Got it?"

If Elfin attacks me anywhere on the boards, I reserve the right to respond to her if I wish (and, per your quote above, that's just fine with you). Anyone who doesn't like it needs to respond to Elfin, not me.

And you're the one who revved this up on this thread, hot shot. Neither Elfin nor I had posted for 24 hours when you started it up again.

 

[scouries]

why does sr71plt always have to have the last word?

Can’t you two children (and I mean ace and miss o here) try to act like adults for once? Every thread you visit degenerates into an “I said … you said” round of inanities.

Start your own thread for crying out loud and leave the popular THREADMASTERS and their threads alone! ​

[size=+2]james r scouries esq.[/size]
Multiple A.I.R. AWARD winner, MILLION SELLER,
Author of the MOST COMMENTED on
and the MOST VOTED on story on LITEROTICA

 

[scouries]

Okay, now that those two infants are gone let’s get back to the subject at hand.

big disappointments…or in this case small ...

Personally I’ve been most disappointed by the last 15 NUDE DAY CONTEST entries from little ralphie. I’m pretty sure at least ten of them are stories he entered in the VALENTINES DAY contest and has just renamed and resubmitted.

What I’d like to know is if he’ll get full marks in the SURVIVOR CONTEST for stories that have been simply renamed. It doesn’t seem right to me…
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[size=+2]james r scouries esq.[/size]
Multiple A.I.R. AWARD winner, MILLION SELLER,
Author of the MOST COMMENTED on
and the MOST VOTED on story on LITEROTICA

 

[sr71plt]

Can’t you two children (and I mean ace and miss o here) try to act like adults for once? Every thread you visit degenerates into an “I said … you said” round of inanities.

Start your own thread for crying out loud and leave the popular THREADMASTERS and their threads alone!

As I've already posted, direct this to Elfin, not to me.

If she doesn't jump in on threads to rag on me, this business doesn't exist.

When she does, I claim the right to respond to her "have you stopped beating your wife" inanities. I'll not be boxed in by that technique.

Estragon has already posted that he doesn't care--that he'll post what he wants and I can do the same.

As for you, you just want to be the only circus in town.

As for Estragon, this is a type of thread that shouldn't be plastered on the forum of a freely provided story Web site at all. Most folks posting stories here are doing so to match their pleasure of writing stories with the pleasure of those enjoying reading their type of story--all for free and very few for the purpose of learning how to become a best-selling author. Those latter few can come here and directly ask for help if they want--and then take the great gobs of untrained "rules" and advice they'll get, mostly from those who know nothing about writing erotica.

When Estragon and other negative commenters go after stories in public--or even in unsolicited e-mails--they are just trying to puff themselves up and assert a superiority over others. They are being boorish--which brings us back to the topic of disappointment.

 

[estragon]

I left SuperHero and others of that ilk alone...no use talking about their work. The work speaks for itself.

 

[Framboise]

The title of this thread says it all. This is so disappointing. I have said more than once that these Literotica Bulletin Boards are cheaper than therapy. I never said they were a substitute for therapy. Would you please take your inadequacies somewhere else?

...to be, or not to be...that...is...the...gazorninplat...

...everybody, please leave the fee of $5, for this online group session, on Carol's desk...and will somebody please tell that damned monkey at post seventeen to change the ribbon already!?

 

[lovecraft68]

...to be, or not to be...that...is...the...gazorninplat...

...everybody, please leave the fee of $5, for this online group session, on Carol's desk...and will somebody please tell that damned monkey at post seventeen to change the ribbon already!?

Damn monkey would like to know what you mean by that.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

sr, I am getting really pissed off with your attempts to drag me into your misanthropic rants. Lay off my case. Sometimes I agree with you, like recently when you ignored what I said and gave your typical 'red rant'.

We have some differing views on how new fictional writers should approach erotic fiction - perhaps because because you are so much more cleverer than us who frolic in the newbie pool - you fail to appreciate the difficulties and pitfalls that- like elephant traps - new writers can fall into.

I've come to the conclusion that scouries is probably a better encouragement for erotic writing (ignoring his silly emphasis on incest) than you.

 

[sr71plt]

There she goes again.

 

[estragon]

Trying to stop the crude buffoons is futile. Buffoonery of the lower type is never in short supply. Rather than waste another minute, I direct attention to my Embarras de Richesse thread, where I have praise for some first class story tellers, even those who don't agree with my edits. As for disappointments, they are fewer.

 

[hottchic]

I wrote and published a "Celebrities" story called "Stroke! Stroke! Stroke!" about a university reunion, 85%, or thereabouts, of which was true. I tried for a light and funny touch; it was a sexual fantasy, starring a recent grad who had won some Gold medals at an international competition. For rowing. Stroke, indeed.

No comments or feedback, of course, but the trolls came in at their usual low level and bombed it. 869 views and a 2.67 score.

In my own defense, it isn't that bad.

That is tough, in my own case I was looking at a rating of 4.78 based on 18 votes, which I had been following like a hawk since it was released at the beginning of the day so I am quite sure it was based on 15 5s, 2 4s and a 3.

Over night (I am in the UK by the way), the rating had dropped to 4.48 with 25 votes.

Now it could be that the voting comprised of 5 4s and 2 3s, but I think that it is much more likely that that it was a mixture of 5s and 4s and somebody bombed it.

After another 4 which brought the rating down to 4.46, the story has now recovered a little and has just scraped a hot rating again on 4.5. At 30 votes it will take a lot of 5s to get the rating back to anything approaching what it had.

I don't really know why people do this, I mean I never have many spelling or gramatical errors and only the occasional typo. If people don't like the content of the story why do they continue to read it and rate it.

 

[estragon]

Hot, I haven't a clue why people vote as they do. I note in my own case that barely one viewer in fifty bothers to vote at all. And feedback is virtually nonexistent. If I wrote for votes I'd stop writing altogether.

But I don't write for votes. I write because I have to. And I post to the Bulletin Boards because it's cheaper than therapy (but no substitute for therapy).

Finally, taking a leaf from Descartes, I quibble, therefore I am.

 

[CarlusMagnus]

Hot, I haven't a clue why people vote as they do. I note in my own case that barely one viewer in fifty bothers to vote at all. And feedback is virtually nonexistent. If I wrote for votes I'd stop writing altogether.

I can think of a couple of possibilities.

1. You've made enemies.

2. You're posting your stuff for the wrong people.

I haven't been around this forum long enough to judge what other people here think of you, so I can't say much more about item 1, above. But if you really have enemies here, that *might* justify calling people who give you low ratings "trolls". It might also justify thinking about the way you treat people.

As far as item 2 is concerned: I've looked at your submissions, and I see that you've been very productive since you joined in late November of last year, but that none of your stuff rates higher than 4.42. And "Stroke, Stroke, Stroke" isn't the only 3.00 score you have.

I did read "Stroke,...," and I didn't like it very much. In the first place, it didn't turn me on. So for me, it wasn't erotica. That's a fatal flaw on Literotica.

One, but only one, of the reasons it didn't turn me on is that the style you adopted for the piece self-consciously smacks me in the face and says "Hey! I'm real literature! Pay attention!" That's another fatal flaw on Literotica, where readers want *stories*---not "literature".

Write to your audience---not to yourself.

I didn't rank it. Partly because I couldn't give it the 2.5 I thought it deserves. But also because I'm not a "troll".

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One in fifty? I get about one in a hundred.

--CarlusMagnus

 

[sr71plt]

One in fifty votes on Literotica is quite good, I think. (Actually pretty phenomenal, in my experience.)

You apparently have a different reason for posting stories than readers have for coming to Literotica to read them. Most of them come to be entertained; not to either help you with your development (a concept I think you don't understand) or to give you strokes (of either variety). There is no requirement that they vote or comment here, so most readers (statistically evidenced) come to be entertained and then go on to something else entertaining. With all of the choices they have to read at Literotica, it's flattering just to have your story opened. I'd be more worried if I couldn't get the "Viewed" stat to go above 10.

 

[lovecraft68]

One in fifty votes on Literotica is quite good, I think. (Actually pretty phenomenal, in my experience.)

You apparently have a different reason for posting stories than readers have for coming to Literotica to read them. Most of them come to be entertained; not to either help you with your development (a concept I think you don't understand) or to give you strokes (of either variety). There is no requirement that they vote or comment here, so most readers (statistically evidenced) come to be entertained and then go on to something else entertaining. With all of the choices they have to read at Literotica, it's flattering just to have your story opened. I'd be more worried if I couldn't get the "Viewed" stat to go above 10.

I would be happy with in 50 which would project to 20 per thousand. My current has 7,400 views but only 46 votes.

 

[estragon]

I can think of a couple of possibilities.

1. You've made enemies.

2. You're posting your stuff for the wrong people.

I haven't been around this forum long enough to judge what other people here think of you, so I can't say much more about item 1, above. But if you really have enemies here, that *might* justify calling people who give you low ratings "trolls". It might also justify thinking about the way you treat people.

As far as item 2 is concerned: I've looked at your submissions, and I see that you've been very productive since you joined in late November of last year, but that none of your stuff rates higher than 4.42. And "Stroke, Stroke, Stroke" isn't the only 3.00 score you have.

I did read "Stroke,...," and I didn't like it very much. In the first place, it didn't turn me on. So for me, it wasn't erotica. That's a fatal flaw on Literotica.

One, but only one, of the reasons it didn't turn me on is that the style you adopted for the piece self-consciously smacks me in the face and says "Hey! I'm real literature! Pay attention!" That's another fatal flaw on Literotica, where readers want *stories*---not "literature".

Write to your audience---not to yourself.

I didn't rank it. Partly because I couldn't give it the 2.5 I thought it deserves. But also because I'm not a "troll".

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One in fifty? I get about one in a hundred.

--CarlusMagnus

Carlus, thank you for your comments. You took the time to write, and that counts for something. Of course I will write as I do because I have no other way of writing.
Disappointing, I know, but that's the title of this thread. Perhaps the number of votes or comments I get is large in proportion to views because so few people look at what I write.

 

[CarlusMagnus]

Perhaps the number of votes or comments I get is large in proportion to views because so few people look at what I write.

When I figure out how to force people to look at what I've written, you can be sure I'll broadcast it.

But don't hold your breath...

Unfortunately, there are other, darker, possibilities.

For one, there is a general rule that people who strongly dislike something are more likely to spend the energy to say something about it.

--CarlusMagnus

 

[estragon]

Carlus, thank you for taking the time to respond, but as my writing doesn't please you, I don't wish to distract you from reading the authors that do please you.

 

[lovecraft68]

Hot, I haven't a clue why people vote as they do. I note in my own case that barely one viewer in fifty bothers to vote at all. And feedback is virtually nonexistent. If I wrote for votes I'd stop writing altogether.

But I don't write for votes. I write because I have to. And I post to the Bulletin Boards because it's cheaper than therapy (but no substitute for therapy).

Finally, taking a leaf from Descartes, I quibble, therefore I am.

I have a reason. Literotica readers are a pretty damn lazy lot. It takes a few extra seconds to vote but heaven forbid they do it. This is a site where they can read thousands of stories in any fetish they wish too, and all for free. Yet it is too much work to click that button at the end of a story.

One thing that I notice is look at the favorite authors list. Always wantedtoo and Many feathers are 2000+ in favorites. Always will get 800 or so votes per story (mother/son is the single most voted/viewed topic on lit) Many feathers will get around 400+

That means that less than half of the people that have bookmarked themn are even voting. It's really pathetic.

 

[hottchic]

I have a reason. Literotica readers are a pretty damn lazy lot. It takes a few extra seconds to vote but heaven forbid they do it. This is a site where they can read thousands of stories in any fetish they wish too, and all for free. Yet it is too much work to click that button at the end of a story.

One thing that I notice is look at the favorite authors list. Always wantedtoo and Many feathers are 2000+ in favorites. Always will get 800 or so votes per story (mother/son is the single most voted/viewed topic on lit) Many feathers will get around 400+

That means that less than half of the people that have bookmarked themn are even voting. It's really pathetic.

Actually I understand lazy voting very well, for the 2 years when I was a Lit reader but not writing anything I hardly ever voted. And when I did it would be luck whether I remembered to vote or not on the story I was reading.

Obviously now I try to vote more often since I have started writing bacause I understand the importance of feedback for writers and more importantly readers.

I say more importantly readers because I will try to look for a story with content that I will like but to some extent rely on the rating to help me decide whether to read the story.

My problem is people who bomb a story on content because they have a personal axe to grind that has nothing to do with the story writer.

For example my parents like classical music, as in classical instrumental symphonic music.

There are some rock bands that I personaly would rate as being very good as compared to others but my distinctions would be meaningless to my parents because all rock music just sounds like noise to them, so they have no criteria for rating a group.

I am not into reading BDSM for example so therefore I would not vote on a story with that content.

 

[CarlusMagnus]

Carlus, thank you for taking the time to respond, but as my writing doesn't please you, I don't wish to distract you from reading the authors that do please you.

I didn't say that; I said one of your stories didn't do much for me.

I will probably read some of your others, sooner or later.

--CarlusMagnus

 

[CarlusMagnus]

Actually I understand lazy voting very well, for the 2 years when I was a Lit reader but not writing anything I hardly ever voted. And when I did it would be luck whether I remembered to vote or not on the story I was reading.

Obviously now I try to vote more often since I have started writing bacause I understand the importance of feedback for writers and more importantly readers.

If the behavior of those who post comments is a clue, you're an exception. Most of the comments---both good and bad---that I get are from people who haven't submitted a single piece of their own work.

I generally don't comment unless the piece has earned a 1 or a 5.

--CarlusMagnus

 

[hottchic]

Personally I am not sure I would ever give somebody a 1 or a 2, and if I gave them a 3, it would be because it was a badly written story in a genre I tend to read and not because of content.

As for comments, I wouldn't give a negative public comment. I might send the writer private feedback on how I think they could improve their style.

 

[estragon]

I didn't say that; I said one of your stories didn't do much for me.

I will probably read some of your others, sooner or later.

--CarlusMagnus

I certainly didn't mean to say "don't read what I post." You're welcome, as is everybody else. But it's very plain that what I write doesn't please the vast majority of readers on this site. So "Disappointments" seems to be an appropriate title for this thread; in fact, as I re-read some of the postings, it seems even more apposite.