Flowers for Fifi?

[Seduce]

Bingo ,Grace! "Algernon" was the source for my thread title. I will reply at more length when I am feeling less stupid...hic!

Story about Algernon ended quite nastily....... are you sure you got the proper title for your thread?
Or you had some deeper thoughts about it?
For instance if you get your submissives to the point of stupidity they might stop being submissive?

 

[TaintedB]

Story about Algernon ended quite nastily....... are you sure you got the proper title for your thread?
Or you had some deeper thoughts about it?
For instance if you get your submissives to the point of stupidity they might stop being submissive?

LOLOL! MY submissives? Hell will freeze over and the stars will fall from the sky before that day should come... I know you're new here but you got to watch for orientations a little more closely. I lived as an absolute slave for 16 years. (Rofl!)

The thread title is accurate enough. I wasn't trying for a direct point-by-point correlation to the story: just the general theme, of losing intelligence.

I'll answer my own question tommorow, I think. But thanks for the laugh tonight! No hard feelings.

 

[Seduce]

LOLOL! MY submissives? Hell will freeze over and the stars will fall from the sky before that day should come... I know you're new here but you got to watch for orientations a little more closely. I lived as an absolute slave for 16 years. (Rofl!)

The thread title is accurate enough. I wasn't trying for a direct point-by-point correlation to the story: just the general theme, of losing intelligence.

I'll answer my own question tommorow, I think. But thanks for the laugh tonight! No hard feelings.

Sincere apologies.
It is 2.30 A.M. here, you know.

 

[grace9]

TaintedB...I look forward to your reply. Interesting (and heart breaking) book and intriguing topic to raise about D/s.

TaintedB Bingo ,Grace! "Algernon" was the source for my thread title. I will reply at more length when I am feeling less stupid...hic!

*ahem* now.....did you take a pill for that?

G~

 

[TaintedB]

TaintedB...I look forward to your reply. Interesting (and heart breaking) book and intriguing topic to raise about D/s.

TaintedB Bingo ,Grace! "Algernon" was the source for my thread title. I will reply at more length when I am feeling less stupid...hic!

*ahem* now.....did you take a pill for that?

G~

Shit, I forgot! Guess I better or I'm going to have one hell of a headache tommroow. :/

 

[TaintedB]

Sincere apologies.
It is 2.30 A.M. here, you know.

Wow, nice and late. No need to apologize. I only get really pissed when I get mistaken for a guy. :/

 

[Quint]

I agree with g9...the frustration of knowing that I used to be able to think better would pretty much negate any ignorant bliss I might feel as a dumbed-down me.

Hell, if I could do it temporarily, I would. Much easier to roleplay daughter/daddy, e.g., with a more innocent view of the world. (Though that brings up whole new questions of morality and "would I be able to give consent" and blah blah blah.) But my relationship is not my life, and even looking at it strictly from a relationship angle, I'm not sure I could do it, EVEN WITH the huge caveat that T wouldn't regret this decision like hell. .......but it's close. I know I think too much and it keeps me from feeling way more than it should. If I could turn the damned thing off once in a while, I think I would be a lot more receptive and sensual. Dammit, B, you had to make me think. I guess this thread is the poison and the antidote at the same time, huh?

 

[grace9]

TaintedB wrote: "Shit, I forgot! Guess I better or I'm going to have one hell of a headache tommroow. "

*takes 2 aspirin, passes the bottle*

LOL....thinking haaaard....sleepy now....

G~

 

[FurryFury]

Yeah maybe so!

Bingo ,Grace! "Algernon" was the source for my thread title. I will reply at more length when I am feeling less stupid...hic!

I freaking LOVED Flowers For Algernon! Sad but great!

I saw the title and thought instantly that you had read my Fi Fi The Fuck Poodle Fantasy in the Erotic Encounter SRP thread. LOL!

Yep, that's right I always think it's about moi!

I have a huge ego while simultaneously feeling worthless. You just got to love the human psyche.

Would I take a "dumb" pill?

First I hate to take pills of any kind. Saw waaaaay too much of that shit growing up.

Second, I'm not really that submissive and probably never will be, though I dream and wish about it.

Finally, yes, if it were a temporary effect. Not for the Dom/Domme but simply because another of my greatest wishes is to shut this brain down sometimes, for just a little damn while.

If it were a permanent effect? Hell no! I'd kick a board up someone's ass if they wanted that. Geez.

*shakes head*

Fury

 

[curiousjen]

. Finally, and feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong but as far as I have noticed, less intelligent and aware people seem to be, on average, far more happy than more intelligent ones. They are blissfully innocent of a lot of the crap the rest of us fret about. So would losing intelligence really result in unhappiness and why?

Sorry, tainted, but I totally and utterly disagree with you here. I am certainly no genius but in the course of my life (through jobs and school and stuff mostly) have come into contact with people who have less significantly less intelligence than me. They most certainly did not live in a state of ignorant bliss, as you seem to suggest, but rather often a state of frustration where they would get themselves into situations that were bad and not be able to see clearly how they got there and how to get out of them. They still felt the emotional fall out of living in a fucked up world that tried to mess them up at every turn but lacked the analytical tools to deal with it, IMO of course.

I used to think that people with less intelligence were more peaceful (in fact at one point when I was very low as a teenager i remember begging my psychiatrist for a lobotomy ) but I just don't believe thats true anymore. Maybe for some people, but not those that I have met. The people I have met who are happy tend to be people who are emotionally sound and that has little to do with intelligence and more to do with their practical support, relationship satisfaction, self esteem and things which generally transcend the mere intellect.

(I am also drunk. I have had a very good night drinking wine with Owen. After the second bottle we did naughty things! VERY naughty things! I hope your headache is not too bad in the morning )

 

[TaintedB]

TaintedB wrote: "Shit, I forgot! Guess I better or I'm going to have one hell of a headache tommroow. "

*takes 2 aspirin, passes the bottle*

LOL....thinking haaaard....sleepy now....

G~

Heh. There seems to be a certain mischief quota I must meet tonight before I get sleepy. I took three Nuprin by the way. That stuff is wonderful for headaches.

 

[TaintedB]

I freaking LOVED Flowers For Algernon! Sad but great!

I saw the title and thought instantly that you had read my Fi Fi The Fuck Poodle Fantasy in the Erotic Encounter SRP thread. LOL!
Fury

You wrote a story called "Fifi the Fuck Poodle?!?!" OH geez, I have got to read that! That story sounds like me. Link please?

 

[Aeroil]

Bingo ,Grace! "Algernon" was the source for my thread title. I will reply at more length when I am feeling less stupid...hic!

*recognized the thread title from when he first saw the name*
Too bad I only read the first half of Flowers for Algernon lol.

 

[FurryFury]

You wrote a story called "Fifi the Fuck Poodle?!?!" OH geez, I have got to read that! That story sounds like me. Link please?

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=12956459#post12956459

There you go. Also in that thread are two of my other real fantasies The Daddy Room and The Hose Rooms.

Hope you enjoy!

Fury

 

[TaintedB]

Sorry, tainted, but I totally and utterly disagree with you here. I am certainly no genius but in the course of my life (through jobs and school and stuff mostly) have come into contact with people who have less significantly less intelligence than me. They most certainly did not live in a state of ignorant bliss, as you seem to suggest, but rather often a state of frustration where they would get themselves into situations that were bad and not be able to see clearly how they got there and how to get out of them. They still felt the emotional fall out of living in a fucked up world that tried to mess them up at every turn but lacked the analytical tools to deal with it, IMO of course.

I used to think that people with less intelligence were more peaceful (in fact at one point when I was very low as a teenager i remember begging my psychiatrist for a lobotomy ) but I just don't believe thats true anymore. Maybe for some people, but not those that I have met. The people I have met who are happy tend to be people who are emotionally sound and that has little to do with intelligence and more to do with their practical support, relationship satisfaction, self esteem and things which generally transcend the mere intellect.

(I am also drunk. I have had a very good night drinking wine with Owen. After the second bottle we did naughty things! VERY naughty things! I hope your headache is not too bad in the morning )

Heh! thanks for the post! I will read it and respond when I am less... hic! what sorts of naughty things did you do? Inquring pervs want to know!

 

[TaintedB]

*recognized the thread title from when he first saw the name*
Too bad I only read the first half of Flowers for Algernon lol.

Actually, that is probably good. As people here have said, the second half is tragic.

 

[graceanne]

Well, it kind of depends on how much Dumb-Drug (tm) she takes and also where he or she starts out. If you've got a woman in the 160s IQ range and it lowers her 30-40 points, she'll still be statistically considered above-average in intelligence.

Maybe I should re-phrase the question: submissives, if you were willing to consider at all being dumbed down and the stupidity was varibale and could be carefully controlled, how low would you go? I use IQ points because I don't know of any other generally known way to describe intelligence, but you can describe this in any way that you want.

Well, I have an IQ of 140, and I wouldn't go down at all. Period.

I have to say that I agree with Jen. If K were to take it into his head to have this fantasy, it wouldnt last long. He occasionally has to deal with stupid women, and he just tells me that I've spoiled him. lol On the other hand, he really wishes I was better about things like cars. He tries to tell me stuff about the car, and my eyes glaze over. lol

 

[Marquis]

The test on the back of the Wheaties box doesn't count Grace.

 

[graceanne]

The test on the back of the Wheaties box doesn't count Grace.

(I'd tell you to bite me, but you might like that, you perv.)

 

[Guest]

Don't forget haircuts

But why? Is it a power thing to recreate the appearence of a person to fit your whim? Why not just find the IQ level your looking for or the body type you enjoy from the get go?

I was thinking about the original question, if the submissive agreed, wouldn't the dumbing down have already happened? I mean am intellegent submissive would say no.

More interested in "Will you hold still while I shave your pussy?"
What in the world would be the point of having a dumb sub?
How pointless can you get?

 

[catalina_francisco]

LOL, this hypothetical is along the lines of 'would you kill yourself for your Dominant' and those others that come up from time to time. Fortunately he was attracted from the beginning by my mind and utilises it well for what he needs so I don't see it coming up as a suggestion.......OTOH the head shaving thing is occupying quite a bit of his thought waves at the moment so I try and stay out of rooms where razors are visible and he is present just incase.

Catalina

...and damn, George Michael and his Patience album are preventing all coherent thought right now.

 

[shy slave]

I am not familiar with the book Flowers for Algernon.

Do you think you could give a brief synopsis as a way of understanding the thoughts that prompted this thread?

Not sure how you could drop IQ points deliberately.

Sometimes it happens due to life or circumstance but that is rarely a deliberate act.

For example a bright intelligent persons life takes a curve and they end up lacking self-confidence, watching Jerry Springer and thinking only in terms of day time TV.
It can take months or years to get there but it does happen.

Apathy can set in and its not easy to return to the point where you went into decline.

I am curious about how you imagine you could deliberately lose IQ points.

I am aware of people in relationships where one of the partners is bright, witty, intelligent etc but it gives an easier life if they do not always shine the brightest.

They have not lost IQ points but they don't always make their intelligence obvious.

If you deliberately and knowingly downgrade your IQ, does that make you more intelligent because you have figured out how to achieve this and still retain the person you are?

 

[graceanne]

Flowers for Algernon is a story about a guy who's handicapped. I could be wrong, but I think he has Down's Syndrom. He becomes part of an experiment that will make him smarter. The experiment had already been done on a mouse named Algernon. So he agrees to do it, and not only becomes smart, but but becomes one of the smartest people alive. Sounds like a happy ending, but it's not. It turns out their's a really bad side effect. After a bit, you not only return to your normal IQ, but your IQ goes down so low that eventually you die. He knows this is gonna happen, cause he watches it happen to Algernon, who he's quite close to. Hence the flowers for Algernon, cause after Algernon dies he brings flower to wear he was buried until he's too retarded to do it. It's a really sad book, and I quite frankly wish I hadn't read it. I balled like a baby.

 

[Seduce]

Wow, nice and late. No need to apologize. I only get really pissed when I get mistaken for a guy. :/

I know. Happened to me couple of times and I hated it.
But someone pissed me off and it was late and I have problems of controlling my temper when I am sleepy or tired..... so I just didint notice whom I was addressing.

 

[grace9]

TaintedB

TaintedB Quote:
Originally Posted: Heh. There seems to be a certain mischief quota I must meet tonight before I get sleepy. I took three Nuprin by the way. That stuff is wonderful for headaches.

I'll keep the Nuprin in mind (pun)
I must however admit *shuffles feet* it wasn't so much sleepy as much as it was time for me to shower my sweet, loving SO J in the tides of my affection
*sighs* I guess Friday is as good a night as any for mischief all around

*pops up head, looks around suspicious*

Who said that?

G~

ps...what about this one....since you read "Flowers..."....would you make the same leap in the other direction at the request of your pyl?.....Increase your intellect above and beyond genius?....and have no assurance that things would stay the same between you?...