For those who assume supporting a Trump presidency over a Biden one means being a MAGA Trumper....

[JaySecrets]

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Go through that quote. Every Socialist idea he gave there has turned out to be the disaster those recognizing the dangerous Socialist elements in them warned they would be. Remember, whenever you give over personal responsibility to the government for the sake of ease or comfort or security, we sacrifice another liberty, another element of personal freedom on that altar. Socialism demands ALL those freedoms for the sake of security. Those who will do that deserve neither. And will lose both.

 

[JaySecrets]

Happy Fucking Holidays, Christo-fascist POS JaySecretions.



JaySecretions

And note the clarity and honesty and respectful nature of how I address you... And note the insults that attack personality because you have no legitimate argument. And note your crass lack of class and decency. But I am the "POS" and you are the one to be listened to? You realize the very real hate and toxicity on your side, as demonstrated by people like you, is the very thing that is proving the lack of the hate and rage on my side, as much as you pretend it is there. Nothing makes light and love shine clear quite as much as darkness and hatred. You only help my points at the end of the day.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Go through that quote. Every Socialist idea he gave there has turned out to be the disaster those recognizing the dangerous Socialist elements in them warned they would be. Remember, whenever you give over personal responsibility to the government for the sake of ease or comfort or security, we sacrifice another liberty, another element of personal freedom on that altar. Socialism demands ALL those freedoms for the sake of security. Those who will do that deserve neither. And will lose both.

Every one of those programs Truman supports, and you condemn has stood the test of time. They are enormously popular with the voters. This is what Eisenhower has said about them:

Letter from Dwight D. Eisenhower to Edgar Newton Eisenhower (1954)​

by Dwight D. Eisenhower

• November 8, 1954

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.4 Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/letter-to-edgar-newton-eisenhower/

 

[Lazaran]

And note the clarity and honesty and respectful nature of how I address you... And note the insults that attack personality because you have no legitimate argument. And note your crass lack of class and decency. But I am the "POS" and you are the one to be listened to? You realize the very real hate and toxicity on your side, as demonstrated by people like you, is the very thing that is proving the lack of the hate and rage on my side, as much as you pretend it is there. Nothing makes light and love shine clear quite as much as darkness and hatred. You only help my points at the end of the day.

JaySecretion has vested their hate and rage in their avatars, DonOld, “Leon”, etc, and JaySecretions is letting their avatars do the dirty work.

JaySecretions is not only a Christo-fascist POS, they are a lazy, cowardly Christo-fascist POS.



JaySecretions

 

[JaySecrets]

Every one of those programs Truman supports, and you condemn has stood the test of time. They are enormously popular with the voters. This is what Eisenhower has said about them:

Letter from Dwight D. Eisenhower to Edgar Newton Eisenhower (1954)​

by Dwight D. Eisenhower

• November 8, 1954

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security,

Social Security has become the bankrupt slush fund unable to pay out everything paid in that was warned against. People would be better off able to invest their own money in their own choices. You know how much a friend of mine has made in crypto? More than what SS puts out to benefit its users. And with expanded life expectancies.... But you know as well as I do it's a bankrupt, defunct program propped up by money that isn't there.

unemployment insurance,

Any idea how much that costs employers after having to fire a terrible employee? Best unemployment insurance: bust your ass, do your job, make sure you are personally such a good employee that it takes 10 people to handle what you do by yourself.

and eliminate labor laws

No one is eliminating child labor laws or basic decency laws. But those pensions and other benefits that keep getting paid out after employees leave are bankrupting companies. They are driving companies to Right to Work states and out of the country. And the Union is removing individual liberty, both from companies and individuals, both in what they want to be involved in and the political donations they want to contribute to. No one who truly supports individual liberty in truth supports unions.

and farm programs,

Those have become a cage to the farming community, have made farms dependent on government, given the government control over crops, land and capital, and almost destroyed small farms. If you lived or listened in the real world outside your liberal theoretical bubble you would know this.

you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.4 Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

Yep, so stupid that they are successful businesses who know how to turn profit based on individual liberty. I should be so "stupid"!

There is none so blind as those who will not see.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/letter-to-edgar-newton-eisenhower/

 

[JaySecrets]

JaySecretion has vested their hate and rage in their avatars, DonOld, “Leon”, etc, and JaySecretions is letting their avatars do the dirty work.

JaySecretions is not only a Christo-fascist POS, they are a lazy, cowardly Christo-fascist POS.



JaySecretions

You are quoting bumper stickers, party lines, talking points, and propaganda fed you by your talking head gods. You are participating in the very "15 minutes of hate" (expanded to all hate) Orwell warned against. (He wrote books, so you may not have heard of him.) Big Brother has become your God and source of all information. But I am lazy? I actually do my research. I actually listen to various points of view. I actually read. And not just the MSNBC and NPR/PBS book list. I recommend you try to grow beyond your willfully stunted state.

Oh, and maybe learn the rules of honest debate and expand your vocabulary. It is woefully lacking in imagination, skill, or creativity.

 

[Lazaran]

You are quoting bumper stickers, party lines, talking points, and propaganda fed you by your talking head gods. You are participating in the very "15 minutes of hate" (expanded to all hate) Orwell warned against. (He wrote books, so you may not have heard of him.) Big Brother has become your God and source of all information. But I am lazy? I actually do my research. I actually listen to various points of view. I actually read. And not just the MSNBC and NPR/PBS book list. I recommend you try to grow beyond your willfully stunted state.

Oh, and maybe learn the rules of honest debate and expand your vocabulary. It is woefully lacking in imagination, skill, or creativity.

JaySecretions "thinks" they are worthy of “honest debate”.



JaySecretions

 

[JaySecrets]

JaySecretions "thinks" they are worthy of “honest debate”.



JaySecretions

Every position put forth in any discussion if it is one that is put out as fact is worthy of honest debate. That you will not approach the facts I'm putting out on the basis of the information given, but instead make personal attacks that are not all that creative to begin with, shows that you in fact are unable to give honest debate no matter what the topic. You are too quick to get in your chest and become emotional and make personal attacks. By the very rules of debate you lose. And you expose your ignorance. Not because you are ignorant by nature, but because you are ignorant by choice. Or were those words too big for you?

 

[Lazaran]

Every position put forth in any discussion if it is one that is put out as fact is worthy of honest debate. That you will not approach the facts I'm putting out on the basis of the information given, but instead make personal attacks that are not all that creative to begin with, shows that you in fact are unable to give honest debate no matter what the topic. You are too quick to get in your chest and become emotional and make personal attacks. By the very rules of debate you lose. And you expose your ignorance. Not because you are ignorant by nature, but because you are ignorant by choice. Or were those words too big for you?

 

[JaySecrets]

Or maybe in language more your speed::

R 2 2 4

 

[JohnEngelman]

Social Security has become the bankrupt slush fund unable to pay out everything paid in that was warned against. People would be better off able to invest their own money in their own choices. You know how much a friend of mine has made in crypto? More than what SS puts out to benefit its users. And with expanded life expectancies.... But you know as well as I do it's a bankrupt, defunct program propped up by money that isn't there.

Any idea how much that costs employers after having to fire a terrible employee? Best unemployment insurance: bust your ass, do your job, make sure you are personally such a good employee that it takes 10 people to handle what you do by yourself.

No one is eliminating child labor laws or basic decency laws. But those pensions and other benefits that keep getting paid out after employees leave are bankrupting companies. They are driving companies to Right to Work states and out of the country. And the Union is removing individual liberty, both from companies and individuals, both in what they want to be involved in and the political donations they want to contribute to. No one who truly supports individual liberty in truth supports unions.

Those have become a cage to the farming community, have made farms dependent on government, given the government control over crops, land and capital, and almost destroyed small farms. If you lived or listened in the real world outside your liberal theoretical bubble you would know this.

Yep, so stupid that they are successful businesses who know how to turn profit based on individual liberty. I should be so "stupid"!

There is none so blind as those who will not see.

Republican politicians fearfully refer to Social Security and Medicare as "the third rail." That refers to the rail in a subway that carries the electricity. Republican politicians know that if they touch "the third rail" they will get a terrible shock.

 

[Politruk]

Go through that quote. Every Socialist idea he gave there has turned out to be the disaster those recognizing the dangerous Socialist elements in them warned they would be.

Social Security didn't turn out to be a disaster, or a threat to freedom, or anything in any way regrettable. Farm price supports didn't. Bank deposit insurance didn't. Labor unions didn't. So what on Earth are you talking about?

 

[Politruk]

are participating in the very "15 minutes of hate" (expanded to all hate) Orwell warned against. (He wrote books, so you may not have heard of him.)

I've read nearly everything Orwell wrote. He remained a zealous Socialist all his life.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Every position put forth in any discussion if it is one that is put out as fact is worthy of honest debate. That you will not approach the facts I'm putting out on the basis of the information given, but instead make personal attacks that are not all that creative to begin with, shows that you in fact are unable to give honest debate no matter what the topic. You are too quick to get in your chest and become emotional and make personal attacks. By the very rules of debate you lose. And you expose your ignorance. Not because you are ignorant by nature, but because you are ignorant by choice. Or were those words too big for you?

Here are some facts for you, JaySecrets:

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NBC News

New poll illustrates GOP bind on budget cuts​

The survey from Fox News shows voters, including the Republican base, shifting on a key question as the party prepares to fight for federal budget cuts.



April 6, 2023, 1:32 PM PDT
By Sahil Kapur
A new Fox News poll shows that American voters, including core Republican constituencies, are turning against cutting retirement spending to reduce the deficit, instead calling for preserving programs like Social Security and Medicare at their current levels.
The survey finds double-digit shifts in U.S. public opinion over the last decade in favor of funding “entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare” at current levels, and a similar shift away from prioritizing “reducing the federal budget deficit.”

The poll completed last week found that 71% of registered voters prefer to continue funding those programs, while just 26% said it's more important instead to lower the deficit.

The same survey in 2013 found it to be a closer question, with 54% saying their priority was funding the entitlement programs and 40% saying their priority was reducing the deficit.
The Fox News poll found that key segments of the GOP base overwhelmingly prefer to continue funding those retirement programs and avoiding cuts.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pr...ll-illustrates-gop-bind-budget-cuts-rcna78600

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This is why deficits are a problem:

 

[JohnEngelman]

I've read nearly everything Orwell wrote. He remained a zealous Socialist all his life.

Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it.

https://colloquydowneast.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/George-Orwell-Why-I-Write.pdf

- George Orwell, from "Why I write," Gangrel [No.4, Summer] 1946.