For those who assume supporting a Trump presidency over a Biden one means being a MAGA Trumper....

Again... and get this clearly.... there are now countless doctors and nurses and aides who were DEEP in Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry who have left, after being recognized and awarded as the best in their field. They left because they DO know the female body, knew what they were doing, and could no longer live with themselves.
No, there are not "countless" people like that.
There are abortion doctors and politicians who are openly endorsing post-birth abortion. Stating that if a baby is born but unwanted, the baby should be made comfortable while there is a discussion whether or not to KILL it!
No, there are not. You're thinking of a single comment that was pulled wildly out of context.
You are either lying or being lied to.
My money is on the latter. He has repeatedly demonstrated a comical lack of critical thinking skills and an ability to believe absolutely anything that fits his extremly weird worldview.
 
My money is on the latter. He has repeatedly demonstrated a comical lack of critical thinking skills and an ability to believe absolutely anything that fits his extremly weird worldview.
He has said that Google is Marxist, so . . . yeah.
 
You are lying.

You are either lying or being lied to.
https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/undercover-video-allegedly-shows-planned-parenthood-scandal/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...od-sting-video-suppressed-by-harris-released/

(a thought there... If the video were not incriminating -and I have seen it, and it is- there would be no need to suppress it. Come to find out, once the video got out, it was DAMNED incriminating, and got squashed on liberal run search engines post haste. Thankfully some people were smart enough to save it.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After-Birth_Abortion

Note here that, while there is objection to the term, there is endorsement of the practice.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/local/gosnell-murder-deliberations-stretch-into-10th-day/2143888/

Remember this? It barely got a couple day's coverage, and the story was quickly buried. Wonder why.
 
He has said that Google is Marxist, so . . . yeah.
Try doing a search on conservative topics, be it videos we both know were released or any other information from a conservative point of view. Give it clear indicators as to what you are looking for. The information Google has deemed "nonfactual", based on the liberal views of those in the tech world (most of them are HARD left), get buried or removed. I know. I have experienced it. I have viewed the vids, read the documents, and seen and read the full statements, then days, even hours later, they ceased to exist on the searches. But, hey, you keep believing what you want. The rest of us, the sane ones who don't worship government, we are awake, truly "woke" if you will, and as such are sick of uninformed Borg like you. That's why your side just got trounced. Or should we go to the maps again?
 
https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/undercover-video-allegedly-shows-planned-parenthood-scandal/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...od-sting-video-suppressed-by-harris-released/

(a thought there... If the video were not incriminating -and I have seen it, and it is- there would be no need to suppress it. Come to find out, once the video got out, it was DAMNED incriminating, and got squashed on liberal run search engines post haste. Thankfully some people were smart enough to save it.)
Nothing you see in the New York Post or the Washington Examiner should be taken seriously. You might as well be citing the Weekly World News.
 
Nothing you see in the New York Post or the Washington Examiner should be taken seriously. You might as well be citing the Weekly World News.
If you think CNN, NPR, MSNBC, CBS, PBS, FOX, The New York Times, The Washington Post, or any such media should be taken seriously, you may as well say the same of The Weekly World News.
 
If you think CNN, NPR, MSNBC, CBS, PBS, FOX, The New York Times, The Washington Post, or any such media should be taken seriously, you may as well say the same of The Weekly World News.
Honestly if you don't you're already a bit deep. I'm starting to realize this is one of our great weaknesses. We distrust our media SO fucking much because we've been gaslight for fucking decades that we have no reliable sources. Most so called "independent media" get their information from if not them them Reuters, BBC, and Al Jazeera English are the most common. Very few independ media sources have the resources to go out in the field. You're mostly getting commentary.

Raise your hand if you've been to Ukraine or Gaza. Probably one of you has been to Gaza to be perfectly fair but I haven't. Don't tell me I can watch video. Those videos are all grainy. I've seen more convincing pictures of musicians Tyrese and Marky Marky alongside giant robots with the US army against other giant robots. So FUCK your video if we're not trusting the media. Only first hand reports.
 
Honestly if you don't you're already a bit deep. I'm starting to realize this is one of our great weaknesses. We distrust our media SO fucking much because we've been gaslight for fucking decades that we have no reliable sources. Most so called "independent media" get their information from if not them them Reuters, BBC, and Al Jazeera English are the most common. Very few independ media sources have the resources to go out in the field. You're mostly getting commentary.

Raise your hand if you've been to Ukraine or Gaza. Probably one of you has been to Gaza to be perfectly fair but I haven't. Don't tell me I can watch video. Those videos are all grainy. I've seen more convincing pictures of musicians Tyrese and Marky Marky alongside giant robots with the US army against other giant robots. So FUCK your video if we're not trusting the media. Only first hand reports.
There are alternate sources that play the FULL UNABRIDGED videos and, as much as they can, get the first hand accounts. And these videos are not grainy and blurred. They are crisp and very painfully clear. Planned parenthood got CAUGHT! And they were covered down on by Kamala Harris in CA, the mainstream media, and the liberal leaning search engines that drive our information access. When money and power is what is at stake, you can bet there is SERIOUS corruption in the main line.
 
I am pretty exhausted with those who can't seem to separate support for a person's policies, or at least many of them, from blanket support for a man. Agreement on some key points does not, nor has it ever, equated to a cult following. For example, I agree with much of the moral teachings of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses and could have a very good conversation about the state of society today. But I could never join with them on any other level because there are key components to their teachings that I consider to be dangerous and that make them horrible cults. In many ways, cults of personality are worse.

So, for those of you who are unable to distinguish enough to have a nuanced conversation, I am going to post here four MAJOR areas where I disagree with Trump's stated platform. I understand that on three of these issues it's because I don't think he goes far enough or gives too much, but that alone makes the point that I do not consider, nor have I ever considered, him a conservative in any sense of the word. He is a populist and a pragmatist. But I do prefer him over the alternative currently out there.

Having said all that, here are my four points of major DISAGREEMENT with Trump.

1: His stance on tariffs. He did this before and I had a major beef then too. Tariffs do not help any economy, not does the intended target of a tariff, especially if they, fairly or unfairly, control much of that market, ever actually take the biggest hit. This should be basic economics 101. When prices go up, the consumer, not the company, is going to pay them. So using tariffs to punish China and other bad actors on the national stage is just a bad idea. It has never worked. If he does this, it will easily at least partially undercut the economic benefits of a Trump presidency.

2: His willingness to leave abortion laws up to the states. Abortion is a human rights issue. A baby is IN a mother's womb, but it is not PART of her body. We know this to be scientifically true. The baby has separate DNA, can be a separate gender, has different needs, and is not legitimately a "my body, my choice" issue. That is a human life. That life, no matter how it is conceived, is precious. There are other options if the mother is in danger, or it was conceived in a horrific way, but to murder a baby because of crimes not its own is horrific. Abortion, taking the life of an innocent, is ALWAYS murder. We would not leave the right to murder a baby 1 hour out of the womb, even born prematurely, up to the states. The location of that baby's body has no bearing on whether or not it should be considered a crime of the most heinous nature. Instead of taking the easy route of leaving it up to the states, there needs to be support for treating murder as murder on a national level. Period.

3. Funding for Israel in their defense, short of actual crimes and corruption, which they have not been part of at least up to this point, should never have even the consideration of qualifiers beyond the consideration of what we can afford. I know there are a LOT of you that will flip out on this statement, but I stand by it. That is a much longer discussion I don't feel the need to get into here. But his willingness to add caveats to funding and aid makes me very nervous.

4. Heavy pushes on the so-called vax for Covid-19. These things are a nightmare and are making things worse. Again, because of the purpose of this thread, I am not going to engage in the debate over the position. There are great threads and posts out there that have that debate. You can make up your own mind on that subject. I am very nervous that a push compromise on this, though, can and will lead to taking away freedom of choice on this issue. As with any vax issue, I believe failure to allow individual and family liberty on this is in fact a fundamental constitutional violation of individual rights and opens the door to far more egregious violations. Give a government an inch, they will take... everything!

There are, of course, other minor issues, but these are huge deals for me. But given the choice between these and dealing with a radical leftist socialist agenda being pushed forward, I have no issues voting for the man. I just want there to be actual conservatives around him to keep him in check.
1. Until 1913 Tariffs were the sole source of income for the U.S. government. They fill the treasury. They are good weapons against unfair trade practices.

2. The SCOTUS made it a state issue

3. Joe Biden funded Israel as did every President before him.

4. Joe Biden and the Democrat Governors did more to Covid nightmare.

We will have a better country because of Trump when he's finished.
 
1. Until 1913 Tariffs were the sole source of income for the U.S. government. They fill the treasury. They are good weapons against unfair trade practices.

We barely had a standing army at the time which turned out to be a terrible idea. While I think our military is WAY too big that doesn't mean i think we should rebuild basically from scratch every time a war breaks out.

2. The SCOTUS made it a state issue

3. Joe Biden funded Israel as did every President before him.

Yes, Joe Biden funded Israel. You don't have to sell any of us on the fact that he had a great deal of flaws this being one. One that we can only be so pissed about since what was he gonna do? Not fund them and watch the entire Right and who knows how much of the Left attack him? I wish not funding Israel was a realistic goal but it ranks JUST a bit below getting an American President to start aggressively working to improve the economies of the South America or open trade with Cuba.

I asked Santa for a Dragonzord and my chances of that are FAR better than my chances on those.

4. Joe Biden and the Democrat Governors did more to Covid nightmare.

We will have a better country because of Trump when he's finished.
 
There was no corruption connected to vaccination.
Dude! EVERY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL who was speaking out against an untested vac was getting non personed. Flu deaths and cases were being called covid. People with Covid were dying of cancer or gunshot wounds and being called Covid deaths. The Evil Dr. who hasn't practiced medicine in decades was making BANK off the MAIN VAC HE WAS PUSHING. The side effects have injured, permanently damaged, and even killed people. When MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS WHO HAD BEEN RECOGNIZED AS THE PEOPLE TO GO TO IN THE FIELDS OF VACCINATIONS AND BACTERIA dared to warn against using the vac, they were muted on all platforms, and when their predictions came true, their predictions were eliminated on those platforms and the reasons for the very things they predicted explained away. This whole Covid Vac thing has been NOTHING BUT ONE LONG, CORRUPT, CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.
 
1. Until 1913 Tariffs were the sole source of income for the U.S. government. They fill the treasury. They are good weapons against unfair trade practices.

2. The SCOTUS made it a state issue

3. Joe Biden funded Israel as did every President before him.

4. Joe Biden and the Democrat Governors did more to Covid nightmare.

We will have a better country because of Trump when he's finished.
I don't disagree with your overall conclusion. I do disagree with you on the 1st 3 points. But we can agree to disagree. Without insulting each other. Because we can talk like adults.

I will address 2 of those since you know where I stand on the abortion issue. 1. Tariffs ALWAYS come back to bite the consumer. The companies NEVER pay for a higher tax. The consumer does. Just because it is standard procedure doesn't make it a good idea, and it can undercut Trump's efforts in other fronts. 3. Biden FUNDED Israel, but that's the extent of his support. His admin has supported anti-Israel forces indirectly with words, political pressure, and even financially through indirect means.
 
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