For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[RobDownSouth]

Exclusive: US and Germany foiled Russian plot to assassinate German CEO of arms manufacturer sending weapons to Ukraine​

Silly Russians think they have the authority to assassinate sovereign citizens of other countries. Who do they think they are? The United States? Turkey? Israel?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why isn't Buffalo worried about Israel who are pretty openly courting expanding their war from a personal scuffle to a regional war? One that could easily sweep up all the same players.

 

[ll74]

Russia this month: the US staging non nuclear weapons in Germany is an escalation and direct threat

Russia last month: (Russia stages NUCLEAR weapons in Belarus)

 

[Rightguide]

So you want to fight to the very last Ukrainian too huh?

Of course, it's no skin off his nose.

 

[Rightguide]

Russia this month: the US staging non nuclear weapons in Germany is an escalation and direct threat

Russia last month: (Russia stages NUCLEAR weapons in Belarus)

It's not that we are just staging them in Germany, we are actively creating a logistical pipeline to Ukraine where they will be used against the Russians. Right or wrong the reality is the Russians consider that pipeline to be an existential threat to their country, just like we would if the same were happening to us in Mexico. We would bomb the shit out of it, just like Putin is doing as we speak, and will probably expand the radius of those strikes according to operational need. That could mean that Germany could be put at risk. Don't make the mistake of thinking we are ready for such an event either. We are being lied to daily about the reality on the ground in Ukraine and in Europe.

 

[ll74]

It's not that we are just staging them in Germany, we are actively creating a logistical pipeline to Ukraine where they will be used against the Russians. Right or wrong the reality is the Russians consider that pipeline to be an existential threat to their country, just like we would if the same were happening to us in Mexico. We would bomb the shit out of it, just like Putin is doing as we speak, and will probably expand the radius of those strikes according to operational need. That could mean that Germany could be put at risk. Don't make the mistake of thinking we are ready for such an event either. We are being lied to daily about the reality on the ground in Ukraine and in Europe.

We are supplying defensive weapons to our NATO ally...non nuclear weapons.

Russia already put nukes on NATO 's doorstep

Which one is an escalation?

 

[ChloeTzang]

It's not that we are just staging them in Germany, we are actively creating a logistical pipeline to Ukraine where they will be used against the Russians. Right or wrong the reality is the Russians consider that pipeline to be an existential threat to their country, just like we would if the same were happening to us in Mexico. We would bomb the shit out of it, just like Putin is doing as we speak, and will probably expand the radius of those strikes according to operational need. That could mean that Germany could be put at risk. Don't make the mistake of thinking we are ready for such an event either. We are being lied to daily about the reality on the ground in Ukraine and in Europe.

Fuck the Russians. They did that to us in Vietnam. They can suck it up.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Just for a peek into the psychology of this war....if you really think men like these are going to agree to a ceasefire with Russia, and giving away a big chunk of Ukraine, you're dreaming. The lyrics were in large part written by men from the Regiment.

“Широкий лан" - "Song of the Brave" - Shirokyi Lan and the 3rd Separate Special Forces Regiment of the Zbroini syly Ukrainy (ZSU), named after Prince Sviatoslav the Brave

The evening is on fire,
Brothers have joined the ranks,
A hand laid on my shoulder,
It's time for us to go, it's time for us to go!

Chorus:
Step by step, a shadow in the shadows,
Wolf-soldiers go hunting.
Step by step, a shadow in the shadows,
Wolf-soldiers go hunting.

Swords consecrated in battle
Taken from the ground, held in our hands.
Forged by our ancestors in battle,
Steel hard, enemy fear
...Chorus.

The power of the spirits is amongst us,
In the gray steppes, our seas,
In the circle of valor, victory
Prince's two-swords on our shields
...Chorus.

The fire of sacrifice goes up,
Black shields are in ranks,
Hands on swords
Time for us to go, time for us to go!
...Chorus.

Fallen in battle in the midst of the wild fields
Leading from the front, calling to action.
Let's remember the trinity today
And fight again, and fight again!
...Chorus.

Battleships that go before the wind,
Paving the way for our sons,
Years later, our grandfather's flags
flutter in our regiments

 

[Lazaran]

Thing is, Ukraine is quite happy to do their own fighting. What they lack is weapons and ammo and that is ALL they are asking for. They have said that time and time again, and the fucking incompetent in the White House, after giving Putin the wink and the nod to move on Ukraine,

I just KNOW this is the comment from President Biden that "Chloe is LYING about:

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/20/1074466148/biden-russia-ukraine-minor-incursion

has deliberately slow-walked aid

Another LIE from "Chloe":

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/wo...e-exemplifies-gops-softening-stance-on-russia

President Biden has responded to the situation in Ukraine based on the realities on the ground, and the Russian’s AND the Ukrainians actions (Ukrainians demonstrating a willingness to fight and clean up corruption, etc.)

and is trying to "manage" the war and "give Putin an off ramp,"

"Chloe" must think giving Putin (or a future Russian leader) an "off-ramp" OUT OF UKRAINE is a bad thing, as opposed to a couple of the "alternatives".

where the only off ramp Putin needs is 9mm of high velocity lead adjusting his brain waves. It's very obvious to everyone, including Ukraine, that Biden does NOT want Ukraine to win. It's also obvious that Biden has been trying to use Ukraine as leverage on US domestic political issues

"Chloe" continues to LIE: President Biden AGREED to the REPUBLICANS DEMAND that aid to Ukraine be connected to / conditioned on an immigration reform and border security bill, and then TRUMP and the "REPUBLICANS" sabotaged the BIPARTISAN immigration reform and border security part of the package.

No, the US will not send soldiers to Ukraine, and no, this whole war would never have happened to start with if Trump had been President,

"Chloe’s" is an impossible imbecile: Russia invaded Ukraine for its recently discovered resources, and to expand its "empire". (See also; China and Taiwan, etc.)

but that ain't the way the dice rolled and we did guarantee Ukraine's security when we persuaded them to give up the nukes. If we don't keep our words as a country, it's worth nothing, something Biden has demonstrated a number of times already.

"Chloe" continues to LIE.

Anyhow, the end result is, you're chasing a red herring. All WE need to do is send old M1's, old Bradley's, old Strykers and old ammo which is nearing it's use by date anyhow. So Ukraine gets to recycle it for us, we save the cost of disposal and buy new stuff we will need to deal with China in future,

"Chloe" obviously doesn’t keep up with the news:

The U.S. is sending and HAS sent old M1a Abrams, Bradleys ,Strykers (plus other armored vehicles), and expiring ammo to Ukraine. And President Biden’s reticence to send the M1a Abrams was prescient, as they have proven hard to maintain and susceptible to drone strikes.

Russia gets turned into a military irrelevance, Ukraine ends up with the strongest military in Europe and we're good. And Ukraine gets integrated into Europe. Bonus. They're great people.

"Chloe" seems to be admitting that President Biden HAS managed the response to Russia’s barbaric war of choice in a manner that allows for an incredibly positive future for Ukraine, Europe, and the Free World.



"Chloe

 

[RandyRebecca]

Russia this month: the US staging non nuclear weapons in Germany is an escalation and direct threat

It is.

Russia last month: (Russia stages NUCLEAR weapons in Belarus)

In response.

For example, in 1954, the Soviet Union applied to join NATO, and were refused. In 1955, West Germany was invited to join NATO just 10 years after WW2 ended. The response from the Soviets was the formation of the Warsaw Pact.

The lesson is, stop the provocations. The US military and federal government wouldn't like foreign troops on the Canadian and Mexican borders, warships patrolling east and west coasts, and troops in Cuba, Nicaragua, Colombia and Venezuela.

I remember watching an interview once when John Pilger interviewed someone from the CIA, and the CIA man was stunned when Pilger asked him how he would feel if Chinese warships patrolled the US west coast. The thought had never even occurred to him, but it's okay for the US military to do such things to Russia and China, like surrounding those countries with US troops, ships and military bases from every direction.

 

[ll74]

It is.


In response.

Fuck off. The Nuclear weapons were the escalation

For example, in 1954, the Soviet Union applied to join NATO, and were refused. In 1955, West Germany was invited to join NATO just 10 years after WW2 ended. The response from the Soviets was the formation of the Warsaw Pact.

The lesson is, stop the provocations. The US military and federal government wouldn't like foreign troops on the Canadian and Mexican borders, warships patrolling east and west coasts, and troops in Cuba, Nicaragua, Colombia and Venezuela.

I remember watching an interview once when John Pilger interviewed someone from the CIA, and the CIA man was stunned when Pilger asked him how he would feel if Chinese warships patrolled the US west coast. The thought had never even occurred to him, but it's okay for the US military to do such things to Russia and China, like surrounding those countries with US troops, ships and military bases from every direction.

Fuck off. NATO is responding to Russian hostility.

 

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[ChloeTzang]

 

[Chobham]

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Here's the problem Chloe. The 500,000 casualty number for Russian forces in probably close to correct but what is missing is the Ukrainian number. It is estimated that the Ukraine losses are ~200,000 killed or wounded.

Now we get into the math of war based on demographics and the fact of the matter is that the Ukrainians have to inflict casualties on the Russians at a 1:7 ratio, 7 Russians for every Ukrainian. They were doing well until last year when they got bogged down in a war of attrition.

 

[Buffalogurl]

Here's the problem Chloe. The 500,000 casualty number for Russian forces in probably close to correct but what is missing is the Ukrainian number. It is estimated that the Ukraine losses are ~200,000 killed or wounded.

Now we get into the math of war based on demographics and the fact of the matter is that the Ukrainians have to inflict casualties on the Russians at a 1:7 ratio, 7 Russians for every Ukrainian. They were doing well until last year when they got bogged down in a war of attrition.

Hey Chobham, Chloe, I gotta ask is the 500,000 Russian casualty number, do you both believe it to be somewhat accurate? Are the sources for these numbers somewhat reliable? Also the number of casualties amongst the Ukrainians seems "low" for the lack of a better word..... again no malice, I'm kinda taken aback
With that said, now I'm wondering if this entire war was/is designed to destroy both armies? Is this being manipulated by someone/or a group of someones or something? This would take a very formidable army to hold it's own against the might of the Russian military ...... now I'm wondering if the Ukrainian army could/would have been or was perceived as a threat to nato/Europe. Also is this a piece to a larger plan, not counting the obvious attempt at destroying Russia and stealing their vast resources?..... again no malice

 

[Buffalogurl]

It's not that we are just staging them in Germany, we are actively creating a logistical pipeline to Ukraine where they will be used against the Russians. Right or wrong the reality is the Russians consider that pipeline to be an existential threat to their country, just like we would if the same were happening to us in Mexico. We would bomb the shit out of it, just like Putin is doing as we speak, and will probably expand the radius of those strikes according to operational need. That could mean that Germany could be put at risk. Don't make the mistake of thinking we are ready for such an event either. We are being lied to daily about the reality on the ground in Ukraine and in Europe.

Exactly ^^^^^^^^^^^^ couldn't have stated better myself..... if I remember correctly on may the 11th at 11 minutes after 11 am (I believe) a Russian sub surfaced off the coast of Virginia and opened her missile sea doors to allow an American satellite to photograph the missiles it was carrying, then sealed her up and slipped into the darkness...... and for the life of me I can't find the origin of where I read that so take this with a grain of salt......

 

[Rightguide]

Ukraine army retreats from part of strategic Chasiv Yar as Russia advances
Fall of key Donetsk town, prized for elevated position, would bring Russia one step closer to seizing entire region.

Ukrainian Armed Forces via AP
Published On 4 Jul 20244 Jul 2024

The Ukrainian military says its army has retreated from a neighborhood on the outskirts of Chasiv Yar in the eastern Donetsk region, a strategically important town where Russian forces recently captured a district.

The military confirmed on Thursday that it had fallen back from the town’s Kanal district, saying “the enemy had entered”, destroying “defenders’ positions” and threatening “the lives and wellbeing of our soldiers”.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-chasiv-yar-889d04cd5b88754771dfd51c888c9079

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-attacks-kyiv-dnipro-zelenskiy-aid/33021371.html

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-army-retreats-positions-russia-102707367.html

Back In April I mentioned the strategic town of Chasiv Yar. For all practical purposes, it is about to fall if it hasn't already. A Russian victory here opens up several neighboring towns to firther invasion and compromises important road networks and supply lines. In addition several Telegram channels used by both Russian and Ukrainian mill bloggers and geo location mappers are saying that in some places Ukrainians are withdrawing forces in heavily contested areas on rumors and reports of upcoming peace talks. Apparently, some commanders are electing to abandon positions they view as pointless death traps in hopes of saving further deaths and casualties in light of some news reports that are spreading about alleged peace talks. One of these mill bloggers has a YouTube Channel called Military Summary which I have found to be fair to both sides. One can find it here;

 

[Rightguide]

Hey Chobham, Chloe, I gotta ask is the 500,000 Russian casualty number, do you both believe it to be somewhat accurate? Are the sources for these numbers somewhat reliable? Also the number of casualties amongst the Ukrainians seems "low" for the lack of a better word..... again no malice, I'm kinda taken aback
With that said, now I'm wondering if this entire war was/is designed to destroy both armies? Is this being manipulated by someone/or a group of someones or something? This would take a very formidable army to hold it's own against the might of the Russian military ...... now I'm wondering if the Ukrainian army could/would have been or was perceived as a threat to nato/Europe. Also is this a piece to a larger plan, not counting the obvious attempt at destroying Russia and stealing their vast resources?..... again no malice

I think the number is accurate but I think the Ukrainians have suffered numbers that are even higher. You have to go to non-American media sources to get the true numbers. Our government is concealing those numbers. There are credible sources who are saying the Ukrainians have suffered almost a half a million dead. The average age of Ukrainian troops in combat is 43 years old. Think about what that means. The average age of the WWII US soldier was 25 years old, the British soldier was roughly 27 years old. The average age of today's NATO soldier is 24-36 and today's Russian soldier is 18-22. www.army.mod.uk, www.forces.gc.ca, www.mil.ru, www.iiss.org, www.sipri.org

 

[Sean Renaud]

Okay, the average Ukrainian soldier is above average here. That kinda makes sense. What is the problem?

 

[Chobham]

Hey Chobham, Chloe, I gotta ask is the 500,000 Russian casualty number, do you both believe it to be somewhat accurate? Are the sources for these numbers somewhat reliable? Also the number of casualties amongst the Ukrainians seems "low" for the lack of a better word..... again no malice, I'm kinda taken aback
With that said, now I'm wondering if this entire war was/is designed to destroy both armies? Is this being manipulated by someone/or a group of someones or something? This would take a very formidable army to hold it's own against the might of the Russian military ...... now I'm wondering if the Ukrainian army could/would have been or was perceived as a threat to nato/Europe. Also is this a piece to a larger plan, not counting the obvious attempt at destroying Russia and stealing their vast resources?..... again no malice

Can't speak for Chloe but there are multiple sources with the low being ~470,000 to a high of 530,000+ so 500,000 is a good mid-road number.

 

[Rightguide]

Okay, the average Ukrainian soldier is above average here. That kinda makes sense. What is the problem?

What do you think it means? It means they've run out of most of their 20 some year olds. Here's some military considerations you may have found on your own if you weren't so opposed to research and patently lazy:

• Physical Fitness and Endurance:
  • Physical Limitations: Older soldiers may face physical challenges such as reduced stamina, slower recovery times, and higher risk of injury, which can impact performance in physically demanding situations.
  • Mobility Issues: Combat often requires high levels of physical agility and endurance, areas where younger soldiers typically excel.
• Adaptability:
  • Technological Adaptation: Younger soldiers may be more adaptable to new technologies and tactics, which are increasingly important in modern warfare.
  • Learning Curve: An older force might be slower to adapt to rapidly evolving combat environments and technological advancements.
• Recruitment and Rotation:
  • Turnover: Younger armies can benefit from a higher turnover rate, allowing them to incorporate fresh recruits and maintain a dynamic force structure.
  • Replenishment: An older force may face challenges in quickly replenishing or rotating personnel, which could impact operational sustainability.

The fact is Sean, the older an army is its performance in executing offensive actions is degraded by age, it becomes a mostly defensive force with diminished physical capability. It's also old enough to understand and fear what that means, if you get my drift. It's not optimal or sustainable.

PS: Google is your friend.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Google is only my friend when I know what I'm looking for. Kinda like its difficult to use a dictionary to find out how to spell a word. You have to at least have an idea or else you could end up looking for phootage and fotography not footage and photography.

Since you tend to use words intentionally your wording suggests the people dying in Ukraine are not in the legal sense soldiers. So you have a lot of older people who are literally fighting for their homes driving the numbers up vs multiple volunteer militaries where being over 40 is pretty much unheard of Only the most hardcore stay in that long and are easily balanced out by the new batch of straight out of high school kids.

You really should get over this whole unsustainable kick. I Was right there with you. . .two and half years ago. At this point the fall when they fall they have exceeded expectations by SO much we should be remaking '300' right now with a final scene of Zelensky. The sun is in his eyes. His right arm broken but with his final breath he lands a single punch on Putin. Then zoom back to Biden promising when the foreign army returns they shall not face a handful of old Ukrainians but the might of NATO!

 

[LLCox]

Soldiers from many countries are fighting for Ukraine. I'd say lots more ruskie troops are dying than Western troops. Aside from the fucked up/stupid West decision "Spring Offensive" it's all been ruski bonzi charges for not much result. They made their biggest gains digging tunnels under and behind Uke controlled villages and positions. It will be interesting to see how much of a game changer the F16's will be. South Korea is now starting to mass produce mobile laser drone destroyers which Will be a game changer. More @ eleven...

 

[Buffalogurl]

Soldiers from many countries are fighting for Ukraine. I'd say lots more ruskie troops are dying than Western troops. Aside from the fucked up/stupid West decision "Spring Offensive" it's all been ruski bonzi charges for not much result. They made their biggest gains digging tunnels under and behind Uke controlled villages and positions. It will be interesting to see how much of a game changer the F16's will be. South Korea is now starting to mass produce mobile laser drone destroyers which Will be a game changer. More @ eleven...

Always keep this in mind......as this escalates, f16s, laser destroyers, ect... ect ad naseum..... the moment the Russians believe they are/will be beaten/destroyed ,as stated in their nuclear doctrine they will bring to bear their nuclear arsenal. Make no mistake about their resolve..... 30 seconds, London, 60 seconds, Washington DC and 90 seconds later new york. This is as near a direct quote from President Putin himself , the man who has pulled his share of finger nails...... think long and hard about where your leadership is taking us....... Google saramt 2 ballistic missile.......

 

[RobDownSouth]

For those of you here who are quizzical of "patriot" Rightguide's unwavering support of Putin's Russia and his unrelenting animosity towards the Ukraine, there is a fantastic two minute video here contrasting the opposing viewpoints of President Joe Biden and convicted felon Donald J. Trump, each in their own words from this past week.

Two minutes well spent, folks.