For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[RobDownSouth]

Always keep this in mind......as this escalates, f16s, laser destroyers, ect... ect ad naseum..... the moment the Russians believe they are/will be beaten/destroyed ,as stated in their nuclear doctrine they will bring to bear their nuclear arsenal. Make no mistake about their resolve..... 30 seconds, London, 60 seconds, Washington DC and 90 seconds later new york. This is as near a direct quote from President Putin himself , the man who has pulled his share of finger nails...... think long and hard about where your leadership is taking us....... Google saramt 2 ballistic missile.......

Just like back in the 1980s when the much larger Soviet Union unleashed a nuclear holocaust when they got their asses kicked trying to take over Afghanistan?

 

[LLCox]

Always keep this in mind......as this escalates, f16s, laser destroyers, ect... ect ad naseum..... the moment the Russians believe they are/will be beaten/destroyed ,as stated in their nuclear doctrine they will bring to bear their nuclear arsenal. Make no mistake about their resolve..... 30 seconds, London, 60 seconds, Washington DC and 90 seconds later new york. This is as near a direct quote from President Putin himself , the man who has pulled his share of finger nails...... think long and hard about where your leadership is taking us....... Google saramt 2 ballistic missile.......

"think long and hard about your leadership" ... and do what vote for trump. trump the traitor worries me more than Pootin.

 

[Rightguide]

Google is only my friend when I know what I'm looking for. Kinda like its difficult to use a dictionary to find out how to spell a word. You have to at least have an idea or else you could end up looking for phootage and fotography not footage and photography.

A simple seach reveals the following:

Google has integrated voice search capabilities into various platforms that allow users to interact with Google’s search engine through spoken commands. Here’s how you can use verbal commands with Google services:

1. Google Voice Search:​

• How It Works: On mobile devices or through Google’s app, you can use voice search by tapping the microphone icon in the search bar and speaking your query.
• Example Commands: You can say things like "What's the weather today?" or "Find a nearby coffee shop," and Google will respond with relevant search results.

2. Google Assistant:​

• How It Works: Google Assistant is a virtual assistant that uses voice recognition to perform tasks, answer questions, and interact with various services. You can activate it using a wake word like "Hey Google" or "OK Google."
• Example Commands: You can say commands like "Hey Google, show me the latest news" or "OK Google, set a reminder for 3 PM."

3. Voice-Activated Devices:​

• How It Works: Devices such as Google Nest speakers, smartphones, and other smart devices with Google integration allow users to perform searches and manage tasks using voice commands.
• Example Commands: Commands such as "Hey Google, play music" or "OK Google, what's the nearest gas station?" are interpreted and executed by Google Assistant, providing responses or performing actions based on your request.

4. Google Chrome Voice Search:​

• How It Works: In the Google Chrome browser, you can use voice search by clicking the microphone icon in the search bar on the Google homepage or results page.
• Example Commands: This allows you to speak queries like "Find Italian restaurants near me" and receive text-based search results.

Summary:​

While you can't give verbal commands directly to the Google Search Engine as you would to a traditional command interface, Google’s ecosystem supports voice commands through integrated features like Google Assistant and voice search. These tools enable users to perform searches and interact with Google’s services using natural language voice commands.

Since you tend to use words intentionally your wording suggests the people dying in Ukraine are not in the legal sense soldiers. So you have a lot of older people who are literally fighting for their homes driving the numbers up vs multiple volunteer militaries where being over 40 is pretty much unheard of Only the most hardcore stay in that long and are easily balanced out by the new batch of straight out of high school kids.

I didn't say a word about the legality of Ukrainians serving in their army. Millions of Ukrainian military aged men fled the country as soon as the war started. They are spread throughout Europe as we speak, many are in Poland. The Zelensky regime is literally press ganging men off the street and forcing them into military service. Younger men who couldn't make it out of the country are already dead, wounded, or in hiding.

You really should get over this whole unsustainable kick. I Was right there with you. . .two and half years ago. At this point the fall when they fall they have exceeded expectations by SO much we should be remaking '300' right now with a final scene of Zelensky. The sun is in his eyes. His right arm broken but with his final breath he lands a single punch on Putin. Then zoom back to Biden promising when the foreign army returns they shall not face a handful of old Ukrainians but the might of NATO!

You need to get real and stop depending on the leftwing press and media for information that "implicates the Biden regime in any way". You are being lied to in that regard which includes the war in Ukraine. NATO which includes the United States has no capability for a ground war in Russia. At best it can only be seen at present as a defensive force. At present its air defense capability on it's eastern flank is a paltry 5%. You don't believe me? Read this: https://www.ft.com/content/5953405f-d91a-4598-8b6b-6345452ca328

 

[Rightguide]

For those of you here who are quizzical of "patriot" Rightguide's unwavering support of Putin's Russia and his unrelenting animosity towards the Ukraine, there is a fantastic two minute video here contrasting the opposing viewpoints of President Joe Biden and convicted felon Donald J. Trump, each in their own words from this past week.

Two minutes well spent, folks.

You spend too much time lying your cowardly ass off. I have zero support for Russia or Putin, only for the truth of what is really happening in Ukraine.

 

[Chobham]

What do you think it means? It means they've run out of most of their 20 some year olds. Here's some military considerations you may have found on your own if you weren't so opposed to research and patently lazy:

• Physical Fitness and Endurance:
  • Physical Limitations: Older soldiers may face physical challenges such as reduced stamina, slower recovery times, and higher risk of injury, which can impact performance in physically demanding situations.
  • Mobility Issues: Combat often requires high levels of physical agility and endurance, areas where younger soldiers typically excel.
• Adaptability:
  • Technological Adaptation: Younger soldiers may be more adaptable to new technologies and tactics, which are increasingly important in modern warfare.
  • Learning Curve: An older force might be slower to adapt to rapidly evolving combat environments and technological advancements.
• Recruitment and Rotation:
  • Turnover: Younger armies can benefit from a higher turnover rate, allowing them to incorporate fresh recruits and maintain a dynamic force structure.
  • Replenishment: An older force may face challenges in quickly replenishing or rotating personnel, which could impact operational sustainability.

The fact is Sean, the older an army is its performance in executing offensive actions is degraded by age, it becomes a mostly defensive force with diminished physical capability. It's also old enough to understand and fear what that means, if you get my drift. It's not optimal or sustainable.

PS: Google is your friend.

Then again sometimes there's something to be said about -----

Old Age and Treachery.

 

[Rightguide]

Then again sometimes there's something to be said about -----

Old Age and Treachery.

That's true when it comes to foxholes and the treelines but there's a lot of open ground in between that requires motorized armor or fleetness of foot. Swift movement from cover in urban warfare with the entirety of your capability on your back isn't for the tired or the weak either.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So in short, lots of young people for one reason or another fled Ukraine. So the age of people fighting are the older people who don't want to leave their homes. Sooner or later they will run out but will Russia keep going that hard, that long? Maybe. Maybe not. Kinda stopped mattering at this point.

The rest of that is mostly you confirming what I already figured with extra effort on the insults. Oh well it is who you are.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

So in short, lots of young people for one reason or another fled Ukraine. So the age of people fighting are the older people who don't want to leave their homes. Sooner or later they will run out but will Russia keep going that hard, that long? Maybe. Maybe not. Kinda stopped mattering at this point.

The rest of that is mostly you confirming what I already figured with extra effort on the insults. Oh well it is who you are.

Nope. Ukraine has had a deliberate policy of NOT drafting young men. Their cutoff for the draft was 27 years, but they just reduced it to 25. This was a choice they made, to have older men do the fighting, to protect the younger generation. A rather enlightened and altruistic take, in my opinion. And almost all volunteers, even now.

Ukrainian military CULTURE does need some improvements - still to much of the old Soviet-style ethos there but it IS reforming, and very quickly. That said, there are still issues, which Tom Cooper highlights in his last couple of very interesting posts.

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/ukraine-war-11-july-2024-mobutu-syndrome

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/ukraine-war-11-july-2024-mobutu-syndrome-c7b

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/ukraine-war-12-july-2024-mobutu-syndrome

 

[ChloeTzang]

The Czech Republic will transfer 50,000 rounds of ammunition/shells to Ukraine this month and next, according to President Petr Pavel. Additionally, from September to the end of the year, Ukraine will receive 80,000 to 100,000 rounds per month.

Ukraine needs a minimum of 5000 rounds per day, or 150,000 a month. This will go a good way to meeting Ukraine's ongoing artillery ammunition needs into 2025.

 

[Rightguide]

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We never see a list of Ukrainian losses or casualties and generally one cannot trust these numbers because one side benefits from them. Namely the Ukrainians who are the source of those numbers.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'll take your word for it. So then its a choice they have made and thus far seems to be working out. Sounds like a them problem.

 

[Rightguide]

I'll take your word for it. So then its a choice they have made and thus far seems to be working out. Sounds like a them problem.

You might want to indicate who or what you're referring to.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That's true when it comes to foxholes and the treelines but there's a lot of open ground in between that requires motorized armor or fleetness of foot. Swift movement from cover in urban warfare with the entirety of your capability on your back isn't for the tired or the weak either.

Did you learn this in the military you swore that you never served in?
Or did you learn this in one of these "Meal Team 6" prepper military cosplay weekends that you and your "elk" are so fond of?

 

[ChloeTzang]

We never see a list of Ukrainian losses or casualties and generally one cannot trust these numbers because one side benefits from them. Namely the Ukrainians who are the source of those numbers.

Exactly. And you never will see Ukrainian losses from Ukraine. THAT is intelligence that is useful to the Russians, and you should be intelligent enough to know that. But by all means speculate. Most estimates are that the Ukrainians are inflicting something like 5-7 to 1. It was lower earlier, before Ukraine received the first foreign artillery and ammunition, bit it's improved since then. Also, Russian mobiks receive very little training, and are thrown in in meat attacks, learning on the job so to speak. The casualty rates are horrendous as any number of reports will confirm. Units are decimated, the survivors aggregated into new units and thrown in again. And again. Even the wounded are thrown back in. There is no passing on of experience, there are very few experienced officers and training cadre left - just an ever increasing body count.

Ukraine, by way of contrast, is training their soldiers, they pull units back and replace them, they have more Brigades in reserve and coming on line and they are not holding ground just to hold ground. The focus now is on killing Russians. Yes, they take losses, but nothing like the Russians, and now that the Russians are no longer having the artillery advantage, they are carrying out limited localized counter attacks. The best Ukrainian units, like Azov, are very capable and inflict losses out of all proportion to their own.

Russian losses, as published by Ukraine, are generally conservative, generally match or are in some cases lower than UK and US estimates, and in all likelihood, real Russian losses are actually higher. Except maybe for aircraft. There's been a lot of debate on those but that seems to be the consensus these days, that's not just my opinion, and I follow a lot of different news outlets and sources, including quite a few with direct connects to Ukrainian military units and personnel.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Did you learn this in the military you swore that you never served in?
Or did you learn this in one of these "Meal Team 6" prepper military cosplay weekends that you and your "elk" are so fond of?

LOL. Read reports and analysis, and in my case, also an ex-USMC husband with more than a couple of tours in strange and exotic places where people tried their best ti kill him, and a lot of ex-military friends and family up and down the rank-levels with similar experiences. Including a couple who have been in Ukraine before the war and done stuff with Ukrainians. Does that help?

 

[Rightguide]

Did you learn this in the military you swore that you never served in?
Or did you learn this in one of these "Meal Team 6" prepper military cosplay weekends that you and your "elk" are so fond of?

As I have said before. I am an experienced outdoorsman, hiker, hunter, camper, explorer, traveler. The physical and logistical requirements of some of the things I do outdoors mirror much of what infantrymen might experience in moving from place to place in challenging kinds of terrain which includes navigation by map, compass, or GPS, with all I require for survival on my back. You should take a stab at the sport it might keep you in shape. You too might be able to move, shoot, and communicate, on your own without military training.

 

[ll74]

As I have said before. I am an experienced outdoorsman, hiker, hunter, camper, explorer, traveler. The physical and logistical requirements of some of the things I do outdoors mirror much of what infantrymen might experience in moving from place to place in challenging kinds of terrain which includes navigation by map, compass, or GPS, with all I require for survival on my back. You should take a stab at the sport it might keep you in shape. You too might be able to move, shoot, and communicate, on your own without military training.

Lol

 

[Rightguide]

Exactly. And you never will see Ukrainian losses from Ukraine. THAT is intelligence that is useful to the Russians, and you should be intelligent enough to know that. But by all means speculate. Most estimates are that the Ukrainians are inflicting something like 5-7 to 1. It was lower earlier, before Ukraine received the first foreign artillery and ammunition, bit it's improved since then. Also, Russian mobiks receive very little training, and are thrown in in meat attacks, learning on the job so to speak. The casualty rates are horrendous as any number of reports will confirm. Units are decimated, the survivors aggregated into new units and thrown in again. And again. Even the wounded are thrown back in. There is no passing on of experience, there are very few experienced officers and training cadre left - just an ever increasing body count.

Ukraine, by way of contrast, is training their soldiers, they pull units back and replace them, they have more Brigades in reserve and coming on line and they are not holding ground just to hold ground. The focus now is on killing Russians. Yes, they take losses, but nothing like the Russians, and now that the Russians are no longer having the artillery advantage, they are carrying out limited localized counter attacks. The best Ukrainian units, like Azov, are very capable and inflict losses out of all proportion to their own.

Russian losses, as published by Ukraine, are generally conservative, generally match or are in some cases lower than UK and US estimates, and in all likelihood, real Russian losses are actually higher. Except maybe for aircraft. There's been a lot of debate on those but that seems to be the consensus these days, that's not just my opinion, and I follow a lot of different news outlets and sources, including quite a few with direct connects to Ukrainian military units and personnel.

With all due respect, Chloe, I think your casualty numbers are completely wrong. I think the opposite is closer to the truth, The battle map has remained much the same as it was when the war started. In fact the Russians today are gaining ground. Putin started with roughly 200,000 troops, he now has over 500,000 on the Eastern border of Ukraine along a 800 to 900 kilometer line of contact. The Russian Army now numbers over a million men in total. Zelensky just announced the need for a mobilization of another 500,000 men in Ukraine. It is obvious he is bleeding more casualties than is being reported.

Written last September after the three months long failed Ukrainian counter-offensive it was determined by the British "Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) that:

"Ukrainian forces have lost more than 66,000 troops and 7,600 pieces of military equipment since the start of their counteroffensive, Shoigu reported. Russian air defence also shot down more than 1,000 Ukrainian drones over the last month. 159 Himars, multiple launch missiles, 13 cruise missiles, and 34 command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed.

https://infobrics.org/post/39299/

Those were the losses assessed in just three months.

There are sources in Ukraine and Europe who claim that 500,000 Ukrainians have been killed so far. The exact opposite of what we are hearing here. But of course, our press has been lying to us for years about everything concerning our government and what it is doing, or about anything that implicates incompetence in the Biden administration. Recall that the Russian population is four times larger than Ukraine's. History shows us the Russians will take horrendous casualties in defense of what they determine to be an existential threat. WWII reminds us of that fact. I believe the Russians have taken horrendous losses but nothing like the numbers Ukraine has suffered when seen as a percentage of available men for military service. To date, not a single Ukrainian attack anywhere along the line of contact has been able to penetrate the second layer of the three-layered Russian defenses constructed along that line of defense. They have broken into the ten-kilometer security zone in front of those defenses but no further. This is because they do not understand the most complex aspects of warfare we refer to as "combined arms operations" These operations are the most difficult to execute and take years to train for and be competent with. It's the reason why they are losing so many of our M1A tanks and Bradleys. They don't know how to properly employ them. For the most part they use those M1As and Bradleys singularly as fixed artillery where they are immediately targeted and destroyed. You can go here to understand why combined arms operations are necessary for victory on the modern battlefield:

https://www.moore.army.mil/MSSP/Combined Arms Operations/

The WWII tactics we see today in Ukraine is death to those who do not have robust overhead surveillance and coordinated targeting technology. Everything that can be seen can be targeted and destroyed in place. This is another reason why it is so hard to even supply Ukraine without the Russians being able to see it and target it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Rightguide is an almost "real life" version of Rambo (Rambo could fly helicopters though).

His military cosplay training has convinced him that his outdoor skillz set makes him teh functional equivalent of an infantryman. Sure, the squirrels he shoots at don't actually shoot back, but other than that....

Notice once more, that just like Vetteman used to do, he's accusing me of being out of shape and disputes my military service.

Rightguide is the ultimate wannabee.

 

[Rightguide]

Rightguide is an almost "real life" version of Rambo (Rambo could fly helicopters though).

His military cosplay training has convinced him that his outdoor skillz set makes him teh functional equivalent of an infantryman. Sure, the squirrels he shoots at don't actually shoot back, but other than that....

Notice once more, that just like Vetteman used to do, he's accusing me of being out of shape and disputes my military service.

Rightguide is the ultimate wannabee.

I believe I did at one time thank you for your service, so there's no need for you to lie about disputing your service. There are a lot of skill sets in the military and I have no specific knowledge of what kind of service you provided. I don't know if you flew helicopters, sat at a desk, carried a rifle, or shined your commander's shoes, but whatever it was, you still have my thanks. My remarks were directed at why I might have known that being on the field of battle is generally a young man's game. I know my own limitations and still think I'm correct.

 

[TJX]

Always keep this in mind......as this escalates, f16s, laser destroyers, ect... ect ad naseum..... the moment the Russians believe they are/will be beaten/destroyed ,as stated in their nuclear doctrine they will bring to bear their nuclear arsenal. Make no mistake about their resolve..... 30 seconds, London, 60 seconds, Washington DC and 90 seconds later new york. This is as near a direct quote from President Putin himself , the man who has pulled his share of finger nails...... think long and hard about where your leadership is taking us....... Google saramt 2 ballistic missile.......

Laughable. Just what do you think the US will do if nukes start flying? Putin isn't suicidal. MAD works as long as assholes like yourself don't succeed in convincing people nukes can be used in a limited manner. It's my understanding that every nuclear war game, every one, ends up in full scale nuclear war. Limited nuclear war is a fairy tale. Russia isn't going to use nukes. It would be the end of them. And us. MAD works.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Laughable. Just what do you think the US will do if nukes start flying?

NATO should back off with the weapons posturing. All it takes is one incident for terrible escalations. Russia is a nuclear armed power, inherited from the Soviet Union, not Iraq in 2003.

Putin isn't suicidal.

What about the Pentagon? They seem to think it okay to be giving Ukraine weapons that can fire deep into Russian territory. Do they seriously think that Russia will just sit back and take that? The Russians will start seeing NATO bases in Europe as legitimate targets. Are the Pentagon trying to wreck Europe like they did the Middle East and North Africa?

What the Russians will likely do is start increasing their support of adversaries of the US, like Iran and North Korea. North Korea will also be providing the Russians with artillery shells.

MAD works as long as assholes like yourself don't succeed in convincing people nukes can be used in a limited manner. It's my understanding that every nuclear war game, every one, ends up in full scale nuclear war. Limited nuclear war is a fairy tale. Russia isn't going to use nukes. It would be the end of them. And us. MAD works.

Tell Biden, who seems to think that arming Ukraine to fire weapons deep into a nuclear armed country (i.e. Russia) is something to support. That is indeed mad.

 

[TJX]

Russia is rattling sabers, nothing more.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Russia is rattling sabers, nothing more.

Like I said, they will most likely be increasing their support of Iran and North Korea, which basically makes more trouble for the US in the Middle East. Russia's strategy in Ukraine is a long game, where they want NATO to get rid of Zelensky in the end when the weapons and funds are turned off.