For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

A solid read. Balanced and reality based:

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/false-promise-ukraines-deep-strikes-russia

Very. And I don't think anyone expects Ukraine's deep strikes on infrastructure to win the war, just as Russia's strikes on Ukraine's power grid and its terrorist attacks on Ukrainian cities will win the war for Russia. I suspect though that with these new jet drones, and the ballistic missile Ukraine seems to have developed, we're going to see more oil depot strikes, hurting Russia's oil exports, which is where a lot of their foreign exchange comes from. We'll also see Russian aircraft pushed back to airfields further from the frontlines, which, combined with the F16's and the 2 Swedish AWAC's aircraft next year, will reduce the Russian's ability to provide ground attack support at the front, which is their only real advantage right now.

Now, look at artillery. Ukraine is upping it's output if Bohdana 155's, I think from memory the target was to roll 20 a month off the production line by later this year and it may well end up being more. Fuchs, Lynx and CV90's will be making an appearance and equipping Ukrainian brigades with modern IFV's. New brigades are formed, being trained and to NATO standards and more are coming. Ukraine's issue is not manpower, but weapons to equip them. Ammo manufacturing is increasing, both in Ukraine and across Europe. Ukraine is undoubtedly working on its own SAM systems, and I believe they are working on their own HIMARS equivalent.

But I totally agree, those deep strikes will not win the war but they are a distraction, and good targeting, which the Ukrainians are much better at than the Russians, WILL have an impact. If it was me, I'd target a few key manufacturing facilities with waves of drones and jet drones, aiming to take out the plant AND the workers simultaneously, and follow up with second and third strikes to take out the emergency workers and finish the job. Russia DID concentrate key weapons manufacturing in big plants, they're not that diversified, and a few strikes like that eliminate an entire plant AND the workers that make the plant effective. That won't win the war either, but again, it will have an impact.

Russian logistics relies on trains, and much of the Russian rail network is electrified. Take out power plants and substations and you impact logistics, with obvious flow on effects. And so on....

And then do what the Ukrainians are doing, and slowly isolate the Crimea and Kherson, with Kursk as a distraction, and then the right hook comes. There are a LOT of Ukrainian brigades out of sight right now, and I'm sure the Russians are asking themselves where they are. And if the Russian's DON'T move more troops to Kursk, the next Ukrainian push there will simply take more. And more...until they force Russia to respond.

It's going to be interesting.

 

[Rightguide]

Sources close to the line of contact are saying:

The eastern Front of Ukraine is collapsing and Ukrainian troops are in retreat along that line of contact. The Kursk salient is being enveloped and destroyed. Reports are saying Ukrainian forces including some 2000 American, Polish, French, and British mercenaries are being wiped out and that about 4400 of the original 12,000 man invasion force has been killed or wounded and most of their heavy equipment destroyed. Sources on Telegram are warning that most will be trapped in that salient with no way of escape. Not a word about this in our press. Note, mercenaries are not protected by the laws of war and these forces are being opposed by Chechen troops who are without question some of the most ruthless people on the planet.

 

[ll74]

Sources close to the line of contact are saying:

The eastern Front of Ukraine is collapsing and Ukrainian troops are in retreat along that line of contact. The Kursk salient is being enveloped and destroyed. Reports are saying Ukrainian forces including some 2000 American, Polish, French, and British mercenaries are being wiped out and that about 4400 of the original 12,000 man invasion force has been killed or wounded and most of their heavy equipment destroyed. Sources on Telegram are warning that most will be trapped in that salient with no way of escape. Not a word about this in our press. Note, mercenaries are not protected by the laws of war and these forces are being opposed by Chechen troops who are without question some of the most ruthless people on the planet.

You haven't provided any source

 

[Rightguide]

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that in the first combat action with the F-16 in Ukraine an F-16 and the top-rated pilot of the six that were trained was lost. It's being reported as well that two other F-16s were destroyed on the ground by Russian strikes after their location was accidentally leaked by the Ukrainian government. I have expressed my doubt in earlier posts that these aircraft could be integrated into an Eastern bloc country used to flying Russian aircraft for a host of reasons. One of those reasons was the time it takes to train a pilot to fly the F-16 and maintain it on the ground.

 

[ll74]

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that in the first combat action with the F-16 in Ukraine an F-16 and the top-rated pilot of the six that were trained was lost. It's being reported as well that two other F-16s were destroyed on the ground by Russian strikes after their location was accidentally leaked by the Ukrainian government.

Sure they are

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Rightguide]

Sure they are

Because you're ignorant and unable to connect to reality.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0532n9pdko

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...d-while-battling-russian-missiles/ar-AA1pEZGU

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/29/ukraine-has-lost-its-first-f-16/

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/europe/ukraine-f16-crashes-intl/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/29/world/europe/f-16-ukraine-crash.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-loses-f16-russia-war-1.7308653

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...fighter-donated-by-western-allies/ar-AA1pFs1B

 

[ll74]

Because you're ignorant and unable to connect to reality.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0532n9pdko

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...d-while-battling-russian-missiles/ar-AA1pEZGU

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/29/ukraine-has-lost-its-first-f-16/

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/europe/ukraine-f16-crashes-intl/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/29/world/europe/f-16-ukraine-crash.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-loses-f16-russia-war-1.7308653

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...fighter-donated-by-western-allies/ar-AA1pFs1B

You said sources reported something and still did not provide the source

And it's my fault

 

[ChloeTzang]

Dmitry Medvedev shared an elaborate post where he lays out the reasons behind Russia's ruthless tactics in seizing Donbas, even if it means levelling cities and sacrificing hundreds of thousands lives. According to him, Donbas holds mineral resources valued at $7.3 trillion, a sum that, in Putin's eyes, justifies the loss of a few hundred thousand Russian lives (multiplied by 5 million rubles of payments per corpse, that's still nothing). For the past decade, the Russian people have been laboring under the Kremlin's control, eager to exploit this valuable resource. Meanwhile, Ukrainians continue to fight valiantly, refusing to surrender their land to the murderous thieves and plunderers.

They are key strategic resources for the 21st century and the reason, also, for Wagner and China’s activities in Africa.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Well, in the end it IS the Biden Administration that has been slow walking aid and preventing aid from other countries being effective.

Ukraine knows this as well as we do. Unfortunately it's not a Biden thing, because we all know he's been a figurehead for his entire "Presidency." And Harris is an irrelevance at best. I mean, it's obvious neither of them are actually in charge, and whatever cabal is running things in the White House does NOT wnat Ukraine to win.

The Kursk attack took them by surprise, and apparently they are now further slowing military assistance to Ukraine to bring them back into line. No matter, I think Kursk shows that the Ukrainians know they are now fighting a two-front war. One against Russia, and another against the back-stabbers. All this means is that Ukraine will need to bleed out the Russian Army and will take more casualties in doing so.

 

[ChloeTzang]

14 minute clip but worth listening to.

One thing I got out of this that I never clicked to, the Russian terrorist attacks on cities are intended to draw Ukraine air defences away from the front lines, so as to enable Russian air attacks on the Ukrainian front line units be more effective.

 

[Rightguide]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829226883676082298

 

[Rightguide]

DONETSK ONSLAUGHT: Russians Approach Key Donetsk Center of Pokrovsk, the Largest City Conquest Since Bakhmut​

by Paul Serran Aug. 28, 2024 10:15 am

In these three years of war, there is only one front in which Ukrainians have been consistently winning, and that, of course, is the MSM’s headlines.

These days, the incursion into Russian territory in the Kursk region is providing context for the pro Kiev crowd to fawn over their ‘victories’, but – as we have written about before – the cross-border adventure comes just as the defenses in Donetsk region are crumbling and Russians score victory after victory on the ground.

Now, Russian Federation forces are said to have begun laying siege to the city of Selidovo, and to be less than 10 km from Pokrovsk – poised to be the biggest conquest since Bakhmut.


Inhabitants of the region have now been forcibly evacuated and met by humanitarian aid workers and volunteers before being sent to shelters nearby.

More here on the unfolding disaster in Eastern Ukraine: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ussians-approach-key-donetsk-center-pokrovsk/

 

[Lazaran]

DONETSK ONSLAUGHT: Russians Approach Key Donetsk Center of Pokrovsk, the Largest City Conquest Since Bakhmut​

by Paul Serran Aug. 28, 2024 10:15 am

In these three years of war, there is only one front in which Ukrainians have been consistently winning, and that, of course, is the MSM’s headlines.

These days, the incursion into Russian territory in the Kursk region is providing context for the pro Kiev crowd to fawn over their ‘victories’, but – as we have written about before – the cross-border adventure comes just as the defenses in Donetsk region are crumbling and Russians score victory after victory on the ground.

Now, Russian Federation forces are said to have begun laying siege to the city of Selidovo, and to be less than 10 km from Pokrovsk – poised to be the biggest conquest since Bakhmut.


Inhabitants of the region have now been forcibly evacuated and met by humanitarian aid workers and volunteers before being sent to shelters nearby.

More here on the unfolding disaster in Eastern Ukraine: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ussians-approach-key-donetsk-center-pokrovsk/

For SIX MONTHS Trump and MAGAt "REPUBLICANS" BLOCKED the funding that would have slowed or stopped the Russian advances in Ukraine.



And "Right"guide has the nerve to come here and crow about Russian advances???



"Right"guide is a traitorous POS and a Russian asset - Just. Like. Trump.

 

[Buffalogurl]

For SIX MONTHS Trump and MAGAt "REPUBLICANS" BLOCKED the funding that would have slowed or stopped the Russian advances in Ukraine.



And "Right"guide has the nerve to come here and crow about Russian advances???



"Right"guide is a traitorous POS and a Russian asset - Just. Like. Trump.

The Ukrainian nazis just unleashed a major missile barrage on Belgorod using the nato supplied vampire rocket loaded with the widely banned cluster munitions. Murdering at least 5 civilians wounded dozens more civilians....
Belgorod has absolutely no military value it is solely a civilian city..... o'l booger super Zelensky just threw a shit hemorrhage and deliberately murdered civilians he's throwing a tantrum over the crash of not one but two F16s and the fact that a few days ago the Russians pretty much turned the lights out for all of Ukraine.
As I type the US navy is positioned/positioning it's war ships around Russia to facilitate a first strike decapitation attack.
The kursk invasion is/has collapsed. Zelensky sent 7000 Ukrainian souls to their death, 37 artillery guns, 3 command and control centers, over 80 uva's, 300 armored vehicles and 71 nato supplied tanks are destroyed or abandoned.....
From what I've gleaned the ukie military will collapse before Christmas.... be prepared for nato and more specifically the United States to invade..... Ukraine has no power grid to speak of nore any fresh water either, winter is 60 days away..... those home grown ballistic missiles Zelensky is touting are being manufactured outside of Ukraine...bet my last dollar on it...
The current crime family in power needs this war, needs a reason to "lock down" or impose "marital law"... before the election, giving they/them a "valid" excuse to postpone the election......all it would take is an attack from a "foreign" entity.
Just my humble opinion........
Enjoy your day paying off other people's debt and paying for the well-being of the illegal aliens......
P.s. this is what you voted for so take a big bite of that shit sandwich.....

 

[ll74]

The Ukrainian nazis just unleashed a major missile barrage on Belgorod using the nato supplied vampire rocket loaded with the widely banned cluster munitions.

Good. Russia has unleashed.many more major missile strikes murdering many more civilians. They deserve retribution for their invasion.....use whichever brand.of missiles as you want. Fortunately they target military targets and keep civilian casualties to a minimum.

Belgorod has absolutely no military value it is solely a civilian city..... o'l booger super Zelensky just threw a shit hemorrhage and deliberately murdered civilians he's throwing a tantrum over the crash of not one but two F16s and the fact that a few days ago the Russians pretty much turned the lights out for all of Ukraine.
As I type the US navy is positioned/positioning it's war ships around Russia to facilitate a first strike decapitation attack.
The kursk invasion is/has collapsed. Zelensky sent 7000 Ukrainian souls to their death, 37 artillery guns, 3 command and control centers, over 80 uva's, 300 armored vehicles and 71 nato supplied tanks are destroyed or abandoned.....
From what I've gleaned the ukie military will collapse before Christmas.... be prepared for nato and more specifically the United States to invade..... Ukraine has no power grid to speak of nore any fresh water either, winter is 60 days away..... those home grown ballistic missiles Zelensky is touting are being manufactured outside of Ukraine...bet my last dollar on it...
The current crime family in power needs this war, needs a reason to "lock down" or impose "marital law"... before the election, giving they/them a "valid" excuse to postpone the election......all it would take is an attack from a "foreign" entity.
Just my humble opinion........
Enjoy your day paying off other people's debt and paying for the well-being of the illegal aliens......
P.s. this is what you voted for so take a big bite of that shit sandwich.....

Russia invaded Ukraine. Ukraine is defending itself against the invasion and we are assisting their capacity to do so.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The Ukrainian nazis just unleashed a major missile barrage on Belgorod using the nato supplied vampire rocket loaded with the widely banned cluster munitions. Murdering at least 5 civilians wounded dozens more civilians....
Belgorod has absolutely no military value it is solely a civilian city..... o'l booger super Zelensky just threw a shit hemorrhage and deliberately murdered civilians he's throwing a tantrum over the crash of not one but two F16s and the fact that a few days ago the Russians pretty much turned the lights out for all of Ukraine.
As I type the US navy is positioned/positioning it's war ships around Russia to facilitate a first strike decapitation attack.
The kursk invasion is/has collapsed. Zelensky sent 7000 Ukrainian souls to their death, 37 artillery guns, 3 command and control centers, over 80 uva's, 300 armored vehicles and 71 nato supplied tanks are destroyed or abandoned.....
From what I've gleaned the ukie military will collapse before Christmas.... be prepared for nato and more specifically the United States to invade..... Ukraine has no power grid to speak of nore any fresh water either, winter is 60 days away..... those home grown ballistic missiles Zelensky is touting are being manufactured outside of Ukraine...bet my last dollar on it...
The current crime family in power needs this war, needs a reason to "lock down" or impose "marital law"... before the election, giving they/them a "valid" excuse to postpone the election......all it would take is an attack from a "foreign" entity.
Just my humble opinion........
Enjoy your day paying off other people's debt and paying for the well-being of the illegal aliens......
P.s. this is what you voted for so take a big bite of that shit sandwich.....

lol fuck off and move to Russia. Buffy the Putin lover...sorry Buffy but Putin doesn't want what you have to offer.

 

[ChloeTzang]

For SIX MONTHS Trump and MAGAt "REPUBLICANS" BLOCKED the funding that would have slowed or stopped the Russian advances in Ukraine.



And "Right"guide has the nerve to come here and crow about Russian advances???



"Right"guide is a traitorous POS and a Russian asset - Just. Like. Trump.

Let's cut the bullshit, Laz. You and I and a number of others here all support Ukraine. It's NOT a Democrat / Republican thing. Both Democrats and Republican's support providing assistance to Ukraine. The crux of the issue with US support is we have an Administration (we all know it's NOT run by Biden or Harris so your guess is as good as mine) that has been slow-walking aid to Ukraine consistently, and has consistently NOT used anywhere near all of the funding that Congress has provided.

For the six months in question, the Administration had funding in hand. 155mm artillery was being produced, packaged and shipped. The Biden Administration redirected the ammo for months, cutting off Ukraine from the needed shells as Avdiivka fell. It was shipped to Israel, who did not need it, rather than to Ukraine, who did, and THAT was a deliberate choice by the "Administration", whoever they are.

The 155mm ammo was not cut off by the budget or congress last year.
the rounds were paid for with 2023 money
they were continued to be made..
they were filled and crated..
they were put on ships..
And sent to Israel.

The money for the shells ran out about 3 months ago and was replaced by money from the 61B. so it was always fully funded, but the ships went to Israel and not Ukraine. That was a deliberate choice to leave Ukraine hanging.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Veronika Kozhushko was an artist. She lived in Kharkiv. She was just 18.

Yesterday, she was killed as Russia was bombing the city again.

 

[deckardB26354]

You and I and a number of others here all support Ukraine. It's NOT a Democrat / Republican thing. Both Democrats and Republican's support providing assistance to Ukraine.

OH REALLY? So your Orange Jesus and his derpy gaffe machine, JD Vonce—as well as most of the Republican Fucktard Caucus in Congress want to slow or stop most support for Ukraine. Why? As a favor for DonOLD—because he’s doing a favor for his power top, Vladdy.

Why can’t you just admit it? You can be stupid in professing your love for DonOLD and still be human enough to support Ukraine at the same time.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The main Russian asset in slow walking, delaying and outright obstructing aid to Ukraine.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

OH REALLY? So your Orange Jesus and his derpy gaffe machine, JD Vonce—as well as most of the Republican Fucktard Caucus in Congress want to slow or stop most support for Ukraine. Why? As a favor for DonOLD—because he’s doing a favor for his power top, Vladdy.

Why can’t you just admit it? You can be stupid in professing your love for DonOLD and still be human enough to support Ukraine at the same time.

You have a blind spot on Trump which really screws your objectivity. The point here is assisting Ukraine, not pissing all over Democrats or Republicans.

Trump has already stated he favors Lend-Lease, on very generous terms, and Ukraine has already indicated this is acceptable. Your blind hatred of Trump, and the blind hatred and ouright TDS of many Democrats, is what increasingly has led many Republicans to turn their backs on Ukraine. And I tend to agree that supporting anything the Biden Administration supports is questionable.

Rather than working to make supporting Ukraine a bi-partisan American foreign policy victory, the Biden Administration has worked hard to make it a partisan policy issue, and in this, as your attitude so clearly illustrates, the Biden Admin has been very successful. The Biden Admin has been using Ukraine, and this is clearly apparent to Ukraine and Ukrainians as well. In the end, Trump may well be a much more robust supporter of Ukraine, but on HIS terms, not Sullivan the Russian agent's.

 

[Lazaran]

Let's <snip>

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang continues to demonstrate complete ignorance (willful???) on every issue that has a political element attached to it.



Why is Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang posting on the PB???



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang



Side note:

The bill that Trump and MAGAt "republicans" BLOCKED was COMPREHENSIVE and INCLUDED military aid for: Ukraine AND Israel AND Taiwan AND Pacific Island Nations AND border security AND Immigration judges AND humanitarian aid.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/



Did Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang INTEND to draw attention to the FACT that Trump and MAGAt "republicans" BLOCKING of the comprehensive bill ALSO HURT Israel, Taiwan, Pacific Island Nations, U.S. border security, and humanitarian aid efforts???



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

 

[ChloeTzang]

Side note:

The bill that Trump and MAGAt "republicans" BLOCKED was COMPREHENSIVE and INCLUDED military aid for: Ukraine AND Israel AND Taiwan AND Pacific Island Nations AND border security AND Immigration judges AND humanitarian aid.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/

rotflmao. you know why, Laz. Don't pretend to be ignorant - you can't possibly be that stupid. Well, you could pretend. You are, in fact, pretending. Or lying. But lying is a Democrat thing and expected. You're wasting your time throwing that bs at me tho. Save it for a Democrat who might believe you. Or agree with you because, you know, the party line.