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Bulgarian 122-mm self-propelled howitzers (SPGs) 2S1 "Gvozdika" have been observed in use by Ukrainian forces, based on photos. There were no public announcements about Bulgaria supplying these SPGs to Ukraine. However, on March 6, Bulgarian military correspondent Tsvetan Alexandrov mentioned that military equipment from Bulgaria’s deep reserves was being sent to Ukraine, accompanied by a photo. Bulgaria had 48 of these guns as of 2024. It's likely that most of these have been sent to Ukraine.

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Buffalogurl said:
https://tass.com/world/1836383... I'm calling bullshit on this , using highways for a runway, yes it's possible but.... the entire area has to be policed of all, all debris that could possibly be ingested by an engine.....no,no, the F16s are flying out of nato countries...plain and simple....
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Disagree. Flying F16's off highways is straightforward, as is policing debris and clearing roads to allow this. It's not rocket science, it's practical and it makes a lot of sense.
 
ll74 said:
Because there is a singular view without context. And no corroboration on the photo.

Saying that it has happened before doesn't prove anything except bias.
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Plenty of corroboration from various news outlets, not to mention Ukrainian officials. Enough of this happens for real that there's no reason to make anything up.
 
ChloeTzang said:
Plenty of corroboration from various news outlets, not to mention Ukrainian officials. Enough of this happens for real that there's no reason to make anything up.
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Show me that picture with the context that the picture is corroborated.

I'm not saying that attacks on civilians didn't happen. I'm disputing that the picture is directly from such event

This is about as genuine as the video bB posted with the attack on a MAGA supporter with about as much scrutiny being applied.
 
It seems justice is served.... A report prepared by the Security Research Commission operating within the National Defence Department recommends abandoning the neutrality policy, which prevents participation in defence organizations and has become a burden for the defence industry. The second very important issue raised in the report is the negative impact of the neutrality policy on the export and re-export of arms. Due to the Swiss government's blockade on arms deliveries to Ukraine, the local defence industry suffered significant financial and reputational losses. In the case of ammunition for Gepard anti-aircraft systems, Germany found an ammunition supplier in Norway. In the meantime, the local part of the Rheinmetall group built a new ammunition factory in the country. This caused huge losses for the Swiss part of the group. Similarly, the situation affects companies like SwissP Defence AG, which produces very good sniper ammunition but cannot sell it to Ukraine. It is worth mentioning that the neutral country created a deterrent effect for potential foreign partners. Local regulations also blocked the export of weapons from other companies if they contained Swiss components. In such cases, fewer foreign entities may be willing to cooperate with Swiss companies in the future.

Seems the Swiss are having major second thoughts about this neutrality thing. As well they should. LOL

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...S&cvid=66a75a5710254c3fb6cc74e07c285380&ei=21
 
There are 300 F-16 fighters stored at the Davis-Montham Air Force Boneyard. Gathering dust. Why are we not refurbishing them?

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This is interesting. Kills of Russian artillery has dropped right down. Ukraine has been consistently targeting Russian artillery for months and in general taking out 50-60 guns a day. Now down to 10? I can’t remember when the artillery kill count was ever this low, even back two years ago. I wonder if this is the impact of cutting the logistics routes thru Kursk oblast? There's all sorts of things that could be coming into play here besides that. Artillery ammo shortages - the Kerch ferry route has been cut too and trains aren't running across the bridge due to damage. Barrel shortage? Russian can't manufacture many replacement barrels, they do wear out, and Russian Army has been profligate with their artillery firing - they have always been an artillery army and have had no training in restraining their usage - if the barrels are going and there's no replacement, that gun is out. Especially if the barrel explodes. Which they do.

Hmmmmmm. Guess we will see if this was an anomaly or not over the next couple of weeks, but if it is indeed related to logistics, the Russians are screwed. The Ukraine attack into Kursk did have some logistical implications, so I guess we will see how all of this plays out.


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Clip of a Ukrainian UAV hitting a Moscow oil refinery.

Now, watch again and think about what stands out the most in this Moscow video of an AFU drone striking a Russian refinery in the middle of the day. Yep, it's what's missing. This is Moscow - a strategic oil refinery near the Russian capital. That drone is big and it's coming in low and slow. Apart from the machineguns, where are the drone defences? Over Ukraine, for example, Ukrainian PSU Mig-29's are downing Shaheed's in daylight. Where are the Russian fighter jets over Moscow? Ukrainian PSU Hind helicopters are in the air shooting down Shaheed's in daylight. Where are the Russian VKS Hind attack choppers over Moscow? Even old Ukrainian PSU Yak-52 trainers are in the air shooting down observation drones in daylight. Where are the Russian propeller trainer aircraft over Moscow?

Ukrainian Territorial Defense units are all over Ukraine for more than 18 months shooting down Shaheeds. Where are the Russian mobile anti-drone units in Moscow? Well, we can hear machineguns so maybe there are some. While Moscow is protected by a ring of 22 S-300/S-400 air defense sites, most of which should cover the refinery, and there are at least 9 recently redeployed Pantsir S1/S2 systems, these systems are not particularly good against low-flying drones - apparently they find it hard to pick them out from the ground clutter. Both should be able to shoot them down, and Pantsir should offer a more cost-effective solution, though with less range, but another likely issue is deconflicting the airspace and Russian operators being afraid they may accidentally shoot down a civilian target. Be bad PR to force Moscow Airport to close. LOL

The other issue is cost of course. Those missiles are expensive and that's the reason Ukraine doesn’t down Shadeds with PATRIOT. Russia won't waste multi million dollar AD missiles on drones that cost a fraction of that, but on the other hand if you don't and they get through, the cost of repairing an oil refinery - if it CAN be repaired, far outweighs that, so its damned if you do and damned if you don't for the Russians.

What happened here was that Moscow's obsolete in the face of drone swarm, missile based, defenses were hit with a drone saturation attack at low level on one axis. Specific S-300 & Pantsir batteries selected by AFU intelligence had their missile stores exhausted. Low, slow & cheap drones kept on coming on that route, russia expended its air defense systems in some areas and the next waves of drones flew in unopposed. Select targets were hit. The oil distillation cracking towers of the Kaputnya refinery (near impossible to repair with sanctions) near Moscow ate several AFU drones. More impact still, Ukrainian drones took out two major Moscow area power plants. ~86% of Russian railway freight is pulled by electric locomotive engines. No power in Moscow decapitates both the central rail hub for which there are no redundant rail line route-arounds, as well as the natural gas pipeline hub for the Russian federation. Russian electric engines on depowered rail lines block diesel engine trains.

Russia has a much larger exposed economic & logistical "cross section" compared to Ukraine. This means Ukraine has a much more massive target set to demolish via strategic drone bombing. It also means there are too many vital targets for Russian missile defenses to protect that were built with the Soviet Union's "One Big Plant" gigantism. Precision drone strikes on key power & gas infrastructure feeding those key plants will have disproportionate effects.

Now factor in that Ukraine has developed indigenous long range capacities exactly because of the Allies' lack of support for Ukraine's long range strikes. Obviously this did not take into account the fact that Ukraine has the technical and scientific skills to develop its own long-range strike weapons. As mass manufacturing of these comes on line, we can expect to see even more effective long range strikes on Russian airfields, military bases and infrastruucture.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830259124690714957
 
Ukraine has been pleading for NATO partners to allow striking Russian military factories and airfields in Russia’s deep rear with western weapons but thanks to the intransigence and defeatism of the Biden Administration, permission has consistently been refused. Amid these constraints, Ukraine has plugged away at building its own domestic weapons production, creating a drone fleet that struck a Russian oil refinery 1,500 km from the Ukrainian border and the “drone missile” Palyanytsia, with a reported range of 700 km. Coupled with the reluctance of Ukraine’s Western allies to allow strikes on Russian military objects inside Russia, Ukraine has worked in overdrive to create a ballistic missile of its own since the Russian invasion and it seems this effort has been successful.

How many missiles Ukraine can produce is kept secret, but Zelenskyy’s announcement of the ballistic missile test means that Ukraine has the capacity and protected resources for such an undertaking.....

https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08...-missile-breakthrough-can-alter-war-dynamics/
 
ChloeTzang said:
Now, watch again and think about what stands out the most in this Moscow video of an AFU drone striking a Russian refinery in the middle of the day.
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I wonder why they hit during the day, why not at night? The locations should not be hard to Geo-locate, maybe the endgame is with on on-board visual recognition?
 
astuffedshirt_perv said:
I wonder why they hit during the day, why not at night? The locations should not be hard to Geo-locate, maybe the endgame is with on on-board visual recognition?
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A good read that might answer your question:

https://breakingdefense.com/2024/06...y-kit-lets-attack-drones-fly-through-jamming/

The relevant part of the article:

“The fundamental physics problem is that small drones can only carry small amounts of explosives, so even a small mistake can mean a miss. But small drones — at least, ones without Skynode S — can’t perform precise maneuvers on their own: They need a human pilot flying them by remote control. That means an unskilled, exhausted or just unlucky operator can fumble the strike at the last minute. Or the enemy can force a fumble by jamming the control link, which requires less and less power as the drone gets closer and closer to the target.

To dispense with that human guidance, you need a drone with electronic eyes sharp enough, and a digital brain smart enough, to distinguish the designated target from the background clutter and home in on it autonomously. But while computers have gotten pretty good at identifying static images of cute kittens, puppies and consumer products, they have a harder time with three-dimensional objects, especially when they’re camouflaged, partially hidden behind cover, poorly lit, or moving.”

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Lazaran said:
A good read that might answer your question:

https://breakingdefense.com/2024/06...y-kit-lets-attack-drones-fly-through-jamming/

The relevant part of the article:

“The fundamental physics problem is that small drones can only carry small amounts of explosives, so even a small mistake can mean a miss. But small drones — at least, ones without Skynode S — can’t perform precise maneuvers on their own: They need a human pilot flying them by remote control. That means an unskilled, exhausted or just unlucky operator can fumble the strike at the last minute. Or the enemy can force a fumble by jamming the control link, which requires less and less power as the drone gets closer and closer to the target.

To dispense with that human guidance, you need a drone with electronic eyes sharp enough, and a digital brain smart enough, to distinguish the designated target from the background clutter and home in on it autonomously. But while computers have gotten pretty good at identifying static images of cute kittens, puppies and consumer products, they have a harder time with three-dimensional objects, especially when they’re camouflaged, partially hidden behind cover, poorly lit, or moving.”
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Yes, all sorts of factors at play. I wonder how accurate the new jet-powered drones will be and what they are using for targeting. That, and how many of them Ukraine can push out, as well as the size of their warheads and their new ballistic missiles. All of that said, Ukraine is innovating like crazy on drones - their new flamethrower drones seem pretty horrific and great for clearing tree-lines. And Ukraine is now producing 100,000 FPVs per month and increasing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830550497452757350
 
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Ukrainian forces have advanced in Kursk, liberating Mala Loknya and areas around it. In Belgorod Oblast there is a state of emergency at the Russian Federal level as ZSU advances. Last night, rumors of a Ukrainian breakout in Kursk led to a friendly fire incident in the Russian rear area. Russian milboggers report that a group of Russian militia "fired at everything that moved" on the critical Kursk-Lgov supply route, injuring several.


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Bloomberg reports that German Chancellor Olaf Scholz confirmed an order for additional IRIS-T air defense systems for the Bundeswehr and the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Out of 26 IRIS-T Systems ordered, Scholz announced that 17 IRIS-T systems are for Ukraine. DPA news agency specifies that this includes eight medium-range (SLM) and nine short-range (SLS) systems. Four SLM and three SLS systems are already operating in Ukraine. He promised that four additional systems – two each of medium and short-range – would be delivered by the end of this year, with the rest following next year.

A German government official said that by 2026, Ukraine will receive 24 IRIS-T systems from Germany: 12 medium-range and 12 short-range. Reuters had previously reported on the supply of IRIS SLM-T systems.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/09...rs-17-iris-t-air-defense-systems-for-ukraine/

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A Russian Arctic brigade which has been recruiting from prison colonies is reported to have been decimated in Ukrainian attacks on Russian-occupied islands in the Dnipro estuary and Black Sea, suffering as much as 80% casualties. The 80th Arctic Motorised Rifle Brigade was created in 2014 to protect Russian territories bordering Norway and Finland, along a line from Murmansk to the New Siberian Islands. Although it is a specialist Arctic warfare unit, much of the brigade was sent to Ukraine in 2022. Since then, according to relatives, many of its soldiers have been killed or wounded while stationed on islands in the Kherson region. The brigade began recruiting convicts in 2023, apparently after losing scores of men in Ukraine.

The Dnipro downstream of Kherson flows around dozens of islands, most notably the strategically located Great Potʹomkinsʹkyy Island just south of Kherson city. More Russian-held islands are located in the Black Sea along the Gulf of Tendra and the Dzharylhats’ka Gulf. The contested islands include Great Potʹomkinsʹkyy (marked as 1 on this map), the Tendra Spit (2), Orlov (3), Dzharylhach (4) and the Kalanchak Islands (5). Many are nature reserves but have reportedly been heavily damaged by the Russian occupation. The Ukrainians claimed in January 2023 to have recaptured Great Potʹomkinsʹkyy Island. In August 2023, many Russian casualties were reported from a HIMARS strike on Dzharylhach.

According to Irina Ivanovna, the mother of one soldier from the brigade who is currently listed as missing, "the drones are buzzing all the time. You can't get there by boat, the fighting is still going on. I called the military unit and was told that 80 per cent of the brigade had been killed or wounded. A boy who served with my son was wounded in the stomach. He says my son stayed there and [the other man] was hospitalised. How come everyone was walking past [my son]? Don't we not abandon our own? On 29 April I was given a document that he was missing. They say that when Kherson is liberated, then they will search these islands." Irina says she was happy when her son volunteered – "I told him: 'I knew you weren't a coward'" – but she is worried that she does not know whether he is now alive or dead. However, as she told, she approves of the 'Special Military Operation'.

"We need to finish with these Banderites, they all need to be destroyed so that they don’t raise their dragon heads again."
"Even at the cost of your son's life?"
"What, would it be better if they came here? Were there not enough of them sitting here?"
"They ran around the city, married our Russian girls. Did whatever they wanted. Then they went to their Ukraine. We had Banderovites in Pechora, we had a zone here."
(She admits that she has never met a Bandera supporter.)

Irina's own family was severely repressed under Stalin; her grandfather was shot and her grandmother was sent to Siberia. Nonetheless, she says the Soviet government was probably justified in doing so. "God knows what was going on in 1937, there were probably gangs. The Soviet government wouldn't just send a family to the middle of nowhere. They wouldn't just shoot them!"

Sergei Romantsov from Severodvinsk was serving a prison sentence for drug offences when he signed a military contract. He did so against the advice of his family, who told him that he would be safer serving out the remaining two years of his sentence. He was sent to the Kherson islands in April 2024 but disappeared, likely killed, within weeks. His sister Nina says: "He was appointed a motorman [boat pilot]. They get into boats at night, go on missions, pick up the wounded." At the end of April, he called and said that he had undergone a baptism of fire. And a week later, he disappeared." "He called me and said he was leaving for a mission at night. The last call was on 1 May at 23:55, after that there was no contact. Usually, when he returned from a mission, he would get in touch. At 3 am, at 5 am. On 1 May, he was still alive, what happened next is unknown. I found out that his boat was hit: either by a shell or a drone. There were survivors, many were killed."

She learned from other men in the brigade that "about a month and a half ago they went to the islands to pick up the wounded and dead. There was an opportunity. Now these islands are completely under the control of Ukraine. No one wants to go there – it’s certain death. The bodies that were left there, will most likely remain there. It’s impossible to get there." The casualties on the islands were so high that the men did not have time to get to know each other before they were killed. "The last commander lasted a month there. Many guys served only a week. As far as I understand, they were simply sent to be butchered."

Source: https://www.severreal.org/a/proigra...ntraktniki-arkticheskoy-brigady/33102621.html

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ChloeTzang said:
Bloomberg reports that German Chancellor Olaf Scholz confirmed an order for additional IRIS-T air defense systems for the Bundeswehr and the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Out of 26 IRIS-T Systems ordered, Scholz announced that 17 IRIS-T systems are for Ukraine. DPA news agency specifies that this includes eight medium-range (SLM) and nine short-range (SLS) systems. Four SLM and three SLS systems are already operating in Ukraine. He promised that four additional systems – two each of medium and short-range – would be delivered by the end of this year, with the rest following next year.

A German government official said that by 2026, Ukraine will receive 24 IRIS-T systems from Germany: 12 medium-range and 12 short-range. Reuters had previously reported on the supply of IRIS SLM-T systems.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/09...rs-17-iris-t-air-defense-systems-for-ukraine/

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A little late…

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ChloeTzang said:
No kidding. Should have been ordered two years ago...... like a lot of other things.
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Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang seems to forget a few things…

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Who took control of the House about two years ago???

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Who signaled they wanted to cut off funding for Ukraine and capitulate to Putin and Russia???

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(It was DonOld and the MAGAt "republicans".)

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Side note:

The Ukrainians were wrong for pushing so hard for the F-16s when they should have been pushing much harder for many more advanced ground based air defense systems to place around key cities and infrastructure.

Full stop.

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After Ukrainians AGAIN Ask for Permission To Shoot US Missiles Deep Into Russian Territory, Biden Regime Replies That They Are ‘Running Out of ATACMS’ To Give Them​

by Paul Serran Sep. 3, 2024 10:45 am

“’You’ve heard us say that the Ukrainians can use US security assistance to defend themselves from cross-border attacks, in other words counterfire. But as it relates to long-range strike, deep strikes into Russia, our policy has not changed’, said Pentagon press secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder on Tuesday.”

But this time, the non-stop pleading by Kiev was met with a different response: the US is running out of ATACMS.

“Ukraine only has a limited supply of US-provided long-range missiles, and the US has made it clear that Kyiv should not expect another significant delivery of ATACMS because of the finite number in US inventories and the long production time of the weapon, according to a US official.”

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has said many of Ukraine’s high value targets in Russia are outside the range of ATACMS, anyway.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/after-ukrainians-again-ask-permission-shoot-us-missiles/
 
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