For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Sean Renaud]

How many more do you and Joe Biden want to add to the 400,000 that already rest in Arlington National Cemetery? How many more thousands of Ukrainians do you want to see forced into the slaughter pens in front of those Russian defensive lines?

Can you just answer the question? How many dead Americans would it take for you to kneel?

 

[RandyRebecca]

How long until they start preparing "public opinion" for a defeat in Ukraine, like Afghanistan and the "Fall of Saigon"? The idea of "isolating Russia" that Biden had was absurd. Russia is one sixth of the world's land, has a land border with China (the most populous country in the world), which in turn has a land border with India (the second most populous country in the world). You don't isolate that. If anything, America is more isolated, with BRICS flexing their muscles. The warhawks in the White House and Pentagon believed their own propaganda.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

How long until they start preparing "public opinion" for a defeat in Ukraine,

Who is they?

The only opinion that matters is that of the Ukrainians.

 

[Buffalogurl]

How many more do you and Joe Biden want to add to the 400,000 that already rest in Arlington National Cemetery? How many more thousands of Ukrainians do you want to see forced into the slaughter pens in front of those Russian defensive lines?

I gotta ask, what is it with the warmongering democrats? As you have stated 400,000 at Arlington is a portion of the dead for there bullshit agenda...
Every world war has begun with a democrat president, and this mother fucker is no deferent... when is enough, enough?
No money to speak of for the victims in Hawaii or for that matter the homeless here in America, billions for that despot Zelensky. Fuck me to tears

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I gotta ask, what is it with the warmongering democrats? As you have stated 400,000 at Arlington is a portion of the dead for there bullshit agenda...
Every world war has begun with a democrat president, and this mother fucker is no deferent... when is enough, enough?
No money to speak of for the victims in Hawaii or for that matter the homeless here in America, billions for that despot Zelensky. Fuck me to tears

There are no American "Troops" in Ukraine. So wrongway's rant is, (wait for it) wrong....

 

[Rightguide]

I gotta ask, what is it with the warmongering democrats? As you have stated 400,000 at Arlington is a portion of the dead for there bullshit agenda...
Every world war has begun with a democrat president, and this mother fucker is no deferent... when is enough, enough?
No money to speak of for the victims in Hawaii or for that matter the homeless here in America, billions for that despot Zelensky. Fuck me to tears

The Democrat War Party and endless war is how in the minds of their Donor Class they are going to reshape the world to eliminate cultural and national identities wherever it exists. This is why they flooded Europe with Middle Eastern hordes. It's why Joe Biden has been instructed to tear down our borders so that our national identity and culture can be diluted and overwhelmed. It's why they are draining and redistributing our national wealth, attacking the core of our economic power, our energy industry, and diminishing in every way they can our political power and freedom to do anything about it. It's why the donor class wants to invade and defeat Russia, destroy their Orthodox Christian national identity, and exploit and divvy up their mineral resources. It's all about controlling the entire Western world under one authority. The Democrat Party of today is the new Communist Party. This is why the Chinese have spent so much to embed CCP agents of influence into almost all of Academia and our national institutions. They re fighting a hundred year war against the West while we are made to worry no further than tomorrow.

 

[ll74]

The Democrat War Party and endless war is how in the minds of their Donor Class they are going to reshape the world to eliminate cultural and national identities wherever it exists. This is why they flooded Europe with Middle Eastern hordes. It's why Joe Biden has been instructed to tear down our borders so that our national identity and culture can be diluted and overwhelmed. It's why they are draining and redistributing our national wealth, attacking the core of our economic power, our energy industry, and diminishing in every way they can our political power and freedom to do anything about it. It's why the donor class wants to invade and defeat Russia, destroy their Orthodox Christian national identity, and exploit and divvy up their mineral resources. It's all about controlling the entire Western world under one authority. The Democrat Party of today is the new Communist Party. This is why the Chinese have spent so much to embed CCP agents of influence into almost all of Academia and our national institutions. They re fighting a hundred year war against the West while we are made to worry no further than tomorrow.

Carriage return is difficult.

Maybe also take a breath once in a while

 

[RandyRebecca]

Who is they?

The big business owned mass media in the NATO countries, especially in the most hawkish of them like the US, Britain, Poland etc.

The only opinion that matters is that of the Ukrainians.

Come back to reality. As the old saying goes, he who pays the piper calls the tune, and there's also the morale factor that is decisive in warfare. NATO are not going to continue sending weapons to Ukraine for offensives that have little to no result on the battlefield indefinitely. The former British Prime Minister (Boris Johnson) is the one, well over a year ago now, who went out to Ukraine to tell Zelensky not to sign a peace deal with Russia but to fight Russia 100% with the aim of total victory, i.e. returning Ukraine to its 2013 borders (which includes Crimea). That was fool's gold being sold to Zelensky, and Ukraine will lose a lot more as a result.

Also, regarding the Ukrainians, there's the question of morale. All the enthusiastic fighters joined the Ukrainian army a long time ago, and a lot of them have been killed. It raises the question of how many have been killed, and how many more will follow if the present military strategy continues. Russian troops on the Black Sea coast have basically dug their heels in with defensive lines, picking off the Ukrainian attackers, biding their time until something snaps either in Ukraine or in NATO. So, the big business owned media, which knows all this, is going to start preparing "public opinion" for a defeat/retreat in Ukraine.

It's actually astonishing that the pro-Ukraine warmongers think that NATO is just going to throw weapons at Ukraine indefinitely if there's very little to no positive results. The US has primaries and a presidential election in 2024, and opposition to sending more money to Ukraine is only going to grow and grow (and it has already), especially when people in the US are seeing their living standards fall.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The big business owned mass media in the NATO countries, especially in the most hawkish of them like the US, Britain, Poland etc.

Nah, they make their money off News. War's don't sell any better than natural disasters. They have a never ending supply of News, there's no need to manipulate for it.

Come back to reality.

You should do that. Do you think the Ukraine's are not going to use pitchforks if that is all that is left. Fuck off with your world is run by a Cabal bullshit. These people don't give a fuck about what Boris J says. What they care about is their homes taken, their country destroyed.

You claim they are demoralised? I claim you're a fucking idiot if you think that. AS to their best fighter being killed, lots have,and so to have the Russians. The Russians are looking at another call up of troops, but that needs to be delayed because Putin wants to look good for the 2024 election. So Russia will do what it did agains the Germans. Trade ground for time. But Ukraine isn't slowing down, in fact the last two weeks have seen the fastest ground taken.

Yes the counter offensive is slow, but it is moving. Ukraine is now past the first line of defence and into the second. When they break through that, then if they can have air power, it's only a matter of weeks to the Sea of Azov.

Russia has not taken a foot of ground now in three months, and have lost 100's of square kilometres. Sevastopol is getting hit regularly, a combination of NATO weapons, and more importantly Ukraine's own homemade weapons!! The logistics for Russia are starting to look bad, you can have the best army in the world, but if you can't supply it. Then it's only a matter of time till it's destroyed.

Maybe look at a Ukrainian's personal report on it....

As to your Russia propaganda buy in, well you're soon to be the one looking foolish. But it's your own choice to be an idiot. After all you're free to make that choice. The average Ukrainian isn't!

 

[Buffalogurl]

There are no American "Troops" in Ukraine. So wrongway's rant is, (wait for it) wrong....

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-S...oops-training-ukrainian-soldiers-mattis-says/
Fuzzy, ya might read the information in the link, according to the article the United States has had troops in Ukraine from 2018.... (they never left, our troops are still there)
This is a slight deflection, pardon me, I would propose that if any US military personnel that died in combat, that the immediate family members would be tax exempt for life. Sales tax, income tax, property tax ect..... completely tax exempt.
That any children of military age whose parents are congressman, senators and high ranking military officials and to include any defense contractors children should be required to be on the front lines of combat, ie, walking point. Maybe if these warmongering whore's had some skin in the game they'd be more reluctant to start a war...

 

[Buffalogurl]

The Democrat War Party and endless war is how in the minds of their Donor Class they are going to reshape the world to eliminate cultural and national identities wherever it exists. This is why they flooded Europe with Middle Eastern hordes. It's why Joe Biden has been instructed to tear down our borders so that our national identity and culture can be diluted and overwhelmed. It's why they are draining and redistributing our national wealth, attacking the core of our economic power, our energy industry, and diminishing in every way they can our political power and freedom to do anything about it. It's why the donor class wants to invade and defeat Russia, destroy their Orthodox Christian national identity, and exploit and divvy up their mineral resources. It's all about controlling the entire Western world under one authority. The Democrat Party of today is the new Communist Party. This is why the Chinese have spent so much to embed CCP agents of influence into almost all of Academia and our national institutions. They re fighting a hundred year war against the West while we are made to worry no further than tomorrow.

Well stated, very well stated

 

[dkovic77]

Victory at What Price in Ukraine?​

By David Lapp-Jost
September 09, 2023

How many Ukrainian lives is full-out victory over Putin and recovery of the Donbas and southern Ukraine worth? 100,000? 500,000? A million? It´s a more relevant question than most realize. Despite the flurry of Ukraine War coverage in Western media, a February 2023 Responsible Science Journal article on the war with insight into the true human cost until now went almost completely without notice. That article asked an obvious question that almost everyone else seemingly intentionally avoids “how many Ukrainians have died as a result of this war?” and the likely answer was 150,000 excess deaths – deaths above the normal expected rate -- only by February of this year. One might expect this question in every article about the war – how many people are dying? To improve human security in Ukraine and prevent future conflicts, we need to ask new questions, scrutinize war in new ways, and reflect on what it means to work for peace.

Virtually all day-to-day coverage of deaths and injuries in Ukraine focus on direct acts of violence: shelling, bombing, drone strikes, etc. Most Western reports cite Ukrainian claims for Russian casualties, suggesting catastrophic Russian losses while Ukraine loses small but distressing numbers of civilians and soldiers. But this accounting distorts the real costs of war, showing a rosy and false picture to keep up war morale.

In the last year and a half, Ukrainians lost much access to food, electricity, medicine, medical care, and heat, and saw reduced access to medical care. By February Ukraine probably suffered 150,000 excess deaths, perhaps with a further 70,000 deaths in Europe more broadly due to high power prices in the cold. With tens of thousands of Ukrainians since dead, this adds up to maybe four to five times the Russian losses, based on estimated Russian excess deaths. Hundreds of thousands of healthy young people have been injured and/or traumatized in an already-poor health care system. Millions are live as refugees in Europe, with only 1/3rd of the refugees wanting to return to Ukraine despite impoverishment and vulnerability to sex exploitation. Ukraine´s birthrate has plummeted. Realistically hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have already died and next winter may well again be very hard, perhaps even harder. War is crucifying Ukraine, and Ukraine may also be losing.

The question of loss of and injury to human life is deeply relevant to the political decision of how to approach the conflict. No war is ever fought to the last life – as wars become more costly, leaders – influenced by their publics – revisit the alternatives to war. Since spring of 2022, the Ukrainian and Western goal has been full recovery of occupied land, including Crimea, but this goal must be measured against the human cost. It is wrong to destroy a village in order to save it, as we have learned. How many hundreds of thousands would be too many? As we are already seeing Western media in various quarters start to do -- even NATO´s head -- great suffering and little gain leads to reflection. Ignoring war´s direct toll – not to mention the tens of millions of new food insecure people worldwide – dulls our instinct to seek other ways forward.

More here: https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2023/09/09/victory_at_what_price_in_ukraine_978456.html

Read on, it could get much worse. You now know why you're not hearing much about the war in Ukraine, the big Ukrainian offensive, etc. Because it's all bad news, bad for Ukraine, bad for the West, and bad for all of those who fell for the propaganda and are now face to face with the coming reality of having no face at all.

Wow, branching out to find even more obscure “news” sites.

Please do us all a favor, find your nearest public library- go visit. Ask the research librarian if any of the sites you routinely site are worth the read.

I’m sure you know the answer you will get. So you won’t even try, because you like all of the lies and conspiracies. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy when you are told lies.

You, and Ican’t, and Derp should just get yourself a little circle jerk and lie right into each others face that you don’t love it!

Because that’s all your posts are worth… a hearty laugh.

 

[Buffalogurl]

Victory at What Price in Ukraine?​

By David Lapp-Jost
September 09, 2023

How many Ukrainian lives is full-out victory over Putin and recovery of the Donbas and southern Ukraine worth? 100,000? 500,000? A million? It´s a more relevant question than most realize. Despite the flurry of Ukraine War coverage in Western media, a February 2023 Responsible Science Journal article on the war with insight into the true human cost until now went almost completely without notice. That article asked an obvious question that almost everyone else seemingly intentionally avoids “how many Ukrainians have died as a result of this war?” and the likely answer was 150,000 excess deaths – deaths above the normal expected rate -- only by February of this year. One might expect this question in every article about the war – how many people are dying? To improve human security in Ukraine and prevent future conflicts, we need to ask new questions, scrutinize war in new ways, and reflect on what it means to work for peace.

Virtually all day-to-day coverage of deaths and injuries in Ukraine focus on direct acts of violence: shelling, bombing, drone strikes, etc. Most Western reports cite Ukrainian claims for Russian casualties, suggesting catastrophic Russian losses while Ukraine loses small but distressing numbers of civilians and soldiers. But this accounting distorts the real costs of war, showing a rosy and false picture to keep up war morale.

In the last year and a half, Ukrainians lost much access to food, electricity, medicine, medical care, and heat, and saw reduced access to medical care. By February Ukraine probably suffered 150,000 excess deaths, perhaps with a further 70,000 deaths in Europe more broadly due to high power prices in the cold. With tens of thousands of Ukrainians since dead, this adds up to maybe four to five times the Russian losses, based on estimated Russian excess deaths. Hundreds of thousands of healthy young people have been injured and/or traumatized in an already-poor health care system. Millions are live as refugees in Europe, with only 1/3rd of the refugees wanting to return to Ukraine despite impoverishment and vulnerability to sex exploitation. Ukraine´s birthrate has plummeted. Realistically hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have already died and next winter may well again be very hard, perhaps even harder. War is crucifying Ukraine, and Ukraine may also be losing.

The question of loss of and injury to human life is deeply relevant to the political decision of how to approach the conflict. No war is ever fought to the last life – as wars become more costly, leaders – influenced by their publics – revisit the alternatives to war. Since spring of 2022, the Ukrainian and Western goal has been full recovery of occupied land, including Crimea, but this goal must be measured against the human cost. It is wrong to destroy a village in order to save it, as we have learned. How many hundreds of thousands would be too many? As we are already seeing Western media in various quarters start to do -- even NATO´s head -- great suffering and little gain leads to reflection. Ignoring war´s direct toll – not to mention the tens of millions of new food insecure people worldwide – dulls our instinct to seek other ways forward.

More here: https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2023/09/09/victory_at_what_price_in_ukraine_978456.html

Read on, it could get much worse. You now know why you're not hearing much about the war in Ukraine, the big Ukrainian offensive, etc. Because it's all bad news, bad for Ukraine, bad for the West, and bad for all of those who fell for the propaganda and are now face to face with the coming reality of having no face at all.

Great post, I believe your closer to the truth that anyone can imagine

 

[Bn2f]

[
Buffalogurl: I would propose that if any US military personnel that died in combat, that the immediate family members would be tax exempt for life. Sales tax, income tax, property tax ect..... completely tax exempt.

No snark or jokes, if you started a thread with this comment as a proposal, you’d find that many on the Left would be willing to take this as a great starting point for new legislation.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-S...oops-training-ukrainian-soldiers-mattis-says/
Fuzzy, ya might read the information in the link, according to the article the United States has had troops in Ukraine from 2018.... (they never left, our troops are still there)
This is a slight deflection, pardon me, I would propose that if any US military personnel that died in combat, that the immediate family members would be tax exempt for life. Sales tax, income tax, property tax ect..... completely tax exempt.
That any children of military age whose parents are congressman, senators and high ranking military officials and to include any defense contractors children should be required to be on the front lines of combat, ie, walking point. Maybe if these warmongering whore's had some skin in the game they'd be more reluctant to start a war...

Again there are no “active” US military personnel involved in combat operations in the war in Ukraine.

No matter how much you claim otherwise.

 

[icanhelp1]

Great post, I believe your closer to the truth that anyone can imagine

The rumor mill in Eastern Europe is that Kim Un is considering sending 50,000 N K troops to Ukraine.

 

[ll74]

The rumor mill in Eastern Europe is that Kim Un is considering sending 50,000 N K troops to Ukraine.

Lol.....wonder which rumor mill track you're on.

 

[icanhelp1]

The rumor mill in Eastern Europe is that Kim Un is considering sending 50,000 N K troops to Ukraine.

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/50000-north-korea-commandos-prepare-to-join-russias-special/

 

[ll74]

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/50000-north-korea-commandos-prepare-to-join-russias-special/

Shocker

 

[Rightguide]

Wow, branching out to find even more obscure “news” sites.

Please do us all a favor, find your nearest public library- go visit. Ask the research librarian if any of the sites you routinely site are worth the read.

I’m sure you know the answer you will get. So you won’t even try, because you like all of the lies and conspiracies. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy when you are told lies.

You, and Ican’t, and Derp should just get yourself a little circle jerk and lie right into each others face that you don’t love it!

Because that’s all your posts are worth… a hearty laugh.

Shows how much you know about sources, which is nothing beyond CNN, MSNBC, and the CIA influencer WaPo.

 

[Rightguide]

Wow, branching out to find even more obscure “news” sites.

Please do us all a favor, find your nearest public library- go visit. Ask the research librarian if any of the sites you routinely site are worth the read.

PS: I probably know more than any local research Librarian.

 

[icanhelp1]

Shocker

Shows how much you know about sources, which is nothing beyond CNN, MSNBC, and the CIA influencer WaPo.

If the source is factual what difference does it make?

 

[Lazaran]

PS: I probably know more than any local research Librarian.

No you don’t.

And your failure to respond to the actual point of the comment proves that.

 

[ll74]

If the source is factual what difference does it make?

Lol....neat
Facts are a funny thing.

In his youtube video, Aleksander Sladkov, a seasoned Russian journalist specializing in military affairs, claimed that North Korea is firmly aligned with Russia in the ongoing conflict.

Especially coming from Russian state television. Ask him about Chernobyl sometime.

 

[icanhelp1]

Lol....neat
Facts are a funny thing.

Especially coming from Russian state television. Ask him about Chernobyl sometime.

Until we see dead N Koreans I’m still going with rumor control.