For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[RandyRebecca]

This “Ukranian Nazis” line you keep pushing. You understand where that comes from, right ?

Azov, Aidar, Right Sector, Svoboda. Look them up. Neonazi battalions incorporated by the 2014-present Euromaidan Ukraine regime into the Ukrainian national guard. These people worship the likes of Hitler, Bandera and Petliura. In WW2, the Soviet Red Army were our Allies, and the likes of Bandera and Hitler were our deadly enemies.

One of the previous Ukraine leaders, Yatsenyuk, said that Russia invaded Germany in WW2. Canadian federal MPs recently applauded a Ukrainian Waffen SS member as a hero. What an insult!

 

[ll74]

For the US billionaires and military industrial complex? Good. They've been treating our federal taxes like it's their own money, and always making themselves richer at our expense. They are out of control and utterly deluded, and need bringing back to reality.


The Houthis act on their own. They are Iranian allies, but not their playthings. They have been in a brutal war against the Saudis for years, including a famine.


Why are they doing it? The Houthis say they are doing it to end the blockade of food, water and energy into Gaza. Biden is solidly behind Israel. This again shows that the US authorities don't care about ordinary people at all, just about profits, trade routes and spheres of influence for the ultra-rich, just as I always say.


Got to protect those billionaire profits and the trade routes that bring in $$$$$, while they also wage a class war in the US by holding down workers' wages and breaking a rail strike.

Biden is not unconditionally behind Netanyahi. He is behind Israel. There is a difference.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Azov, Aidar, Right Sector, Svoboda. Look them up. Neonazi battalions incorporated by the 2014-present Euromaidan Ukraine regime into the Ukrainian national guard. These people worship the likes of Hitler, Bandera and Petliura. In WW2, the Soviet Red Army were our Allies, and the likes of Bandera and Hitler were our deadly enemies.

Thought so. You’ve no fucking clue where it comes from, no sense of context. Just your line to spout.

It was your communist hero Stalin Randy. He abused the poor fucking Ukranians so badly with his pogroms they showed their hatred for him by, in some quarters, attaching themselves to Nazi imagery.

This counter culture exists to this day. The deputy head of Wagner had Waffen SS flashes tattoo’d on his neck without it creating waves for God sake. I’m afraid east European lad’s generally can be a bit susceptible to the nazi thing, mainly just to be awkward and edgy.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Biden is not unconditionally behind Netanyahi. He is behind Israel. There is a difference.

I think Netanyahu knows that he can do what he wants, and that the US authorities will do nothing. There are very, very powerful Zionist lobbies in the US, and I believe Biden was number 1 on a Congressional list for receiving money from AIPAC and other pro-Israel groups. Hillary Clinton is third on the list. For all their whining about Russia in 2016, just who do Biden and Clinton serve, exactly?

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries//summary?ind=q05&cycle=All&recipdetail=S&mem=Y

Biden is first on the list by quite some way.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Biden is not unconditionally behind Netanyahi. He is behind Israel. There is a difference.

From a purely functional stand point what exactly is the difference?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Thought so. You’ve no fucking clue where it comes from, no sense of context. Just your line to spout.

So you can't handle the truth? You're okay with being allied with neonazis who worship Bandera?

It was your communist hero Stalin Randy.

No, Stalin is not "my hero".

 

[ll74]

From a purely functional stand point what exactly is the difference?

Israel can remove Netanyahu.

They should.

Biden also supports a two state solution.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Biden is not unconditionally behind Netanyahi. He is behind Israel. There is a difference.

And when Benny says no to the idea of a Palestinian state Biden should have a word that the US might have to reconsider how vigorous its support for Israel might be, cash wise, in future. It’d work in a shot.

But its always been political suicide your side of the pond, so that won’t happen.

Trump will put tariffs on Chinese imports and provoke an invasion of Taiwan anyway, so our eyes won’t always be on the mid east

 

[Sean Renaud]

Fair point, I don't forsee that happening but just because I haven't seen something doesn't mean it stops existing.

 

[ll74]

And when Benny says no to the idea of a Palestinian state Biden should have a word that the US might have to reconsider how vigorous its support for Israel might be, cash wise, in future. It’d work in a shot.

The course correction for US policy is not an immediate thing.

But its always been political suicide your side of the pond, so that won’t happen.

This is honestly the best time we've had to course correct and I have appreciated how Biden has handled it....mostly

Trump will put tariffs on Chinese imports and provoke an invasion of Taiwan anyway, so our eyes won’t always be on the mid east

Fuck Trump, but also, possibly yes

 

[RandyRebecca]

And when Benny says no to the idea of a Palestinian state Biden should have a word that the US might have to reconsider how vigorous its support for Israel might be, cash wise, in future. It’d work in a shot.

Really? I wonder how the Zionist lobbies in the US would react to that, and how US politicians will react when those lobbies cut off the money?

 

[ll74]

Really? I wonder how the Zionist lobbies in the US would react to that, and how US politicians will react when those lobbies cut off the money?

 

[ShandyLeer]

So you can't handle the truth? You're okay with being allied with neonazis who worship Bandera?


No, Stalin is not "my hero".

Why not - he’s a bit of a MVP for communists. Solid track record in government etc.

No, I’m not ok with being allied with neonazis. If I wanted to say that I’d say it.

I’m telling you it’s a fucking pose. It’s a gesture against the enemy. And a backlash against Stalins murdering.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Really? I wonder how the Zionist lobbies in the US would react to that, and how US politicians will react when those lobbies cut off the money?

I literally dealt with that in the next sentence……

 

[RandyRebecca]

Why not - he’s a bit of a MVP for communists. Solid track record in government etc.

Look up the Great Purge. Stalin massacred the Old Bolsheviks, their families, their friends, neighbors, work colleagues etc.

No, I’m not ok with being allied with neonazis. If I wanted to say that I’d say it.

Then acknowledge that neonazi battalions were incorporated into the Ukrainian national guard since 2014.

I’m telling you it’s a fucking pose. It’s a gesture against the enemy. And a backlash against Stalins murdering.

I'd back even Stalin against Nazis. Stalin is to socialism what Hitler is to capitalism.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I literally dealt with that in the next sentence……

Why mention it originally then, about Biden potentially making threats to Israel? He's the biggest receiver of pro-Israel money in recent times in US Congressional politics, and he has basically zero subtlety in his political manoeuvrings. He could have paid lip service concern towards Palestinian casualties, but instead claimed that the Palestinians were exaggerating the number of deaths.

You disagree?

 

[ll74]

You disagree?

Yah, weird..right?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Yah, weird..right?

So why did Biden receive $4,346,264 from pro-Israel groups from 1990 while he was in the US Senate? They would surely expect things in return, wouldn't you say? And how would Biden, and other big receivers of such $$$$$, respond if the money was cut off? Principles over money?

 

[ll74]

So why did Biden receive $4,346,264 from pro-Israel groups from 1990-2004 while he was in the US Senate? They would surely expect things in return, wouldn't you say? And how would Biden, and other big receivers of such $$$$$, respond if the money was cut off? Principles over money?

Lol

Why did Trump receive 2 billion dollars from BIBi?

Also, how much did Biden receive from pro Palestinian groups in the same timeframe?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Lol

Why did Trump receive 2 billion dollars from BIBi?

Trump only supports Zionism for that sort of money. He has no principles beyond it. Brand Trump and money is all he really cares about, and keeping out of prison.

Biden is going around saying "I am a Zionist", while the Democrats have form for moaning about Russia. The Republicans are hypocrites too, as they moan about China. Yet they all serve Israel lobbies, who represent a foreign country.

 

[ll74]

Trump only supports Zionism for that sort of money. He has no principles beyond it. Brand Trump and money is all he really cares about, and keeping out of prison.

He doesn't? Why? Be specific

Biden is going around saying "I am a Zionist", while the Democrats have form for moaning about Russia. The Republicans are hypocrites too, as they moan about China. Yet they all serve Israel lobbies, who represent a foreign country.

You suck at hiding your Russian background

 

[RandyRebecca]

He doesn't? Why? Be specific

Because he only cares about himself and his brand, similar to J.R. Ewing in Dallas. He'd sell out everybody if it helped Brand Trump and his own personal fortune, which is why the vast majority of big business billionaires/millionaires don't trust Trump to look after their affairs, and don't want him back in the White House. This is even more true when it comes to the military industrial complex people who want all those wars, while Trump considers it, to quote him, "a waste of billions and billions of dollars".

You suck at hiding your Russian background

My background is American, Irish (both Ulster and Munster) and British (both English and Welsh).

 

[ll74]

Because he only cares about himself and his brand, similar to J.R. Ewing in Dallas. He'd sell out everybody if it helped Brand Trump and his own personal fortune, which is why the vast majority of big business billionaires/millionaires don't trust Trump to look after their affairs, and don't want him back in the White House. This is even more true when it comes to the military industrial complex people who want all those wars, while Trump considers it, to quote him, "a waste of billions and billions of dollars".

So you don't like him..got it.

My background is American, Irish (both Ulster and Munster) and British.

I meant your support

 

[ShandyLeer]

Look up the Great Purge. Stalin massacred the Old Bolsheviks, their families, their friends, neighbors, work colleagues etc.


Then acknowledge that neonazi battalions were incorporated into the Ukrainian national guard since 2014.


I'd back even Stalin against Nazis. Stalin is to socialism what Hitler is to capitalism.

Hitler was a fascist claiming to be a National Socialist and had little or nothing to do with capitalism since like you he considered it a Jewish plot.

Ukraine is run by a democratically elected Jewish President but you claim is festering with nazis………I’ve tried to explain why that imagery gets a bit of cultural traction in that part of the world but you choose instead to buy propaganda from the same Russia that fucks with your elections and their citizens freedom to go about their business unmolested by state goons.

These facts are more significant than some of your more out there opinions that seem to be founded on comparing political figures with members of the cast of Dallas.

 

[LLCox]

Hows things going in Ukraine