Global warming and a country ran by Crude Junkies

[bg23]

Now be fair. That IS mostly true. I'd be willing to give a couple the benefit of the doubt though.

hah

if a person's political leanings was dictated by intelligence, perhaps.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Is both an option?

 

[bg23]

Is both an option?

yes.

 

[Sean]

hah

if a person's political leanings was dictated by intelligence, perhaps.

Politics these days seems to be about shouting louder than the other side. There appears to be very little intelligence on EITHER side. Or have I just been spending too much time on lit recently?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

BOTH!

Yes; too much shouting and not enough measured discussion.

 

[bg23]

Politics these days seems to be about shouting louder than the other side. There appears to be very little intelligence on EITHER side. Or have I just been spending too much time on lit recently?

you have

lit is very polarised - and it polarises

a moderate can wander on, and find herself somehow taking sides without meaning to

once you're lumped in as either "left wing" or "right wing" here, you're more or less stuck.

reasonable, intelligent debate here is rare, if only for the fact that both sides have their views set in concrete and will not -allow themselves- to be persuaded.

there is intelligence, on both sides, it just tends to get lost amidst the juvenile shouting matches, which no one can ever really resist, myself included.

 

[bg23]

BOTH!

Yes; too much shouting and not enough measured discussion.

very well

don't scream too loudly now.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Resitance is futile!

You've done it once, you'll do it again.
Whatever it was, don't try to explain,
It's a fine, fine line between pleasure and pain...

 

[Sean]

You're both right. I've been spending far too much time here. Bye.

 

[bg23]

i manfred mann's earth band!

seeya sean.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I saw them with Aerosmith July, 1976...

 

[bg23]

i wasn't even born then.

haha, you're old.

 

[RobDownSouth]

you have

lit is very polarised - and it polarises

a moderate can wander on, and find herself somehow taking sides without meaning to

once you're lumped in as either "left wing" or "right wing" here, you're more or less stuck.

reasonable, intelligent debate here is rare, if only for the fact that both sides have their views set in concrete and will not -allow themselves- to be persuaded.

there is intelligence, on both sides, it just tends to get lost amidst the juvenile shouting matches, which no one can ever really resist, myself included.

That's Ishmael's greatest legacy to the General Board...almost single-handedly, he has degraded overall debate discourse to juvenile levels, with his incessant name-calling...not to mention his habits of altering the premise after the fact, as well as declaring himself "judge".

Far more insidious is the intellectual dishonesty that is perpetrated on this board by the far-right fringe posters to support their position.

For example, if I were to say "The Angels Won The American League Division Series", one of the more intellectually dishonest posters ( a JazzManJim, perhaps) would say something like "Oh yeah? Look at the deciding game 5! The Yankees came in second place and the Angels came in NEXT TO LAST!" ....techinically true but absolutely misleading. And intellectually dishonest.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Yes I am, but still a hunk!

Later.

The lyrics were the DiVynls (sp?) ya know...

Wrapped up like a deuce, another rumor in the night!

 

[bg23]

That's Ishmael's greatest legacy to the General Board...almost single-handedly, he has degraded overall debate discourse to juvenile levels, with his incessant name-calling...not to mention his habits of altering the premise after the fact, as well as declaring himself "judge".

Far more insidious is the intellectual dishonesty that is perpetrated on this board by the far-right fringe posters to support their position.

For example, if I were to say "The Angels Won The American League Division Series", one of the more intellectually dishonest posters ( a JazzManJim, perhaps) would say something like "Oh yeah? Look at the deciding game 5! The Yankees came in second place and the Angels came in NEXT TO LAST!" ....techinically true but absolutely misleading. And intellectually dishonest.

Rob, you know I like and respect you as a poster.

However, do you realise you just showcased precisely how polarised the board is, and why?

 

[bg23]

divinyls (sp?)

eh, i remember manfred did it, i don't remember the divs

 

[zipman]

I remember when those silly scientists were complaining about CFC's and how they were bad for the atmosphere.

Seems they had this silly idea that unless people stopped using aerosols sprays and other things there would be this big hole in the ozone layer.

What a bunch of twits. Like that could ever happen.

 

[~hellbaby~]

And no one wants to explain how all those SUV's got to Mars to melt the ice caps. *chuckle*

Ishmael

DUH!How do you think they got there??

 

[Ishmael]

I remember when those silly scientists were complaining about CFC's and how they were bad for the atmosphere.

Seems they had this silly idea that unless people stopped using aerosols sprays and other things there would be this big hole in the ozone layer.

What a bunch of twits. Like that could ever happen.

*chuckle*

Science marches on Zip. Just not all of it is reported.

We did away with Freon and the 'hole' is still there. That's strange, don't you think we'd see some improvement? Dramatic even. But we haven't. At great expense and an increase in CO2 emmisions. (R-134 is less efficient so more energy (gasoline burned) has to go into the system to get the same cooling effect. And the 'hole' is still there.

OK, we have a mystery here. And the biggest mystery is how did all those molecules get into the upper atmosphere to begin with? I mean, the weight of Freon is about 116g/mol. Oxygen is 16g/mol. Nitrogen is even lighter. All of which is to say that Freon is substantually heavier than air. To be sure, there is some atmosheric mixing, but the various levels of the atmosphere are really substantially stratified.

Now, the Chlorine is the real culprit here. But even that's heavier than Oxygen. The mystery deepens.

Now, if you really wanted to inject massive ammounts of Chlorine into the upper atmosphere, how would YOU go about that? Me? I'd use a perchlorate based Solid Rocket fuel. Yep, that's how I'd go about it.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

OK, we have a mystery here. And the biggest mystery is how did all those molecules get into the upper atmosphere to begin with? I mean, the weight of Freon is about 116g/mol. Oxygen is 16g/mol. Nitrogen is even lighter. All of which is to say that Freon is substantually heavier than air. To be sure, there is some atmosheric mixing, but the various levels of the atmosphere are really substantially stratified.

Now, the Chlorine is the real culprit here. But even that's heavier than Oxygen. The mystery deepens.

Now, if you really wanted to inject massive ammounts of Chlorine into the upper atmosphere, how would YOU go about that? Me? I'd use a perchlorate based Solid Rocket fuel. Yep, that's how I'd go about it.

Ishmael

No mystery at all, really...

"A molecule of freon is a lot heavier than a molecule of oxygen or nitrogen,
but it is still a million times or more lighter than a dust particle, a
crystallite of salt, or an ice crystal. Rates of gravitational separation
of different molecules are minute compared with the rates of various air
currents that carry particles all over the place through the atmosphere.
You know well how smoke particles, clouds, dust are held aloft in the
atmosphere for long periods and carried to great heights. How much easier
for freon molecules, which are a million times lighter!
There is a bit of double-think on the part of the anti-scientific lobby,
who try to tell us on the one hand that freon molecules can not get to the
stratosphere, and on the other hand that salt particles can do so in great
quantities." LINK

 

[Ishmael]

No shit you idiot. You've explained nothing. Just posted some horse shit.

Ishmael

 

[Sean]

No shit you idiot. You've explained nothing. Just posted some horse shit.

Ishmael

Oh, the irony of it.

 

[~hellbaby~]

*chuckle*

Science marches on Zip. Just not all of it is reported.

We did away with Freon and the 'hole' is still there. That's strange, don't you think we'd see some improvement? Dramatic even. But we haven't. At great expense and an increase in CO2 emmisions. (R-134 is less efficient so more energy (gasoline burned) has to go into the system to get the same cooling effect. And the 'hole' is still there.

OK, we have a mystery here. And the biggest mystery is how did all those molecules get into the upper atmosphere to begin with? I mean, the weight of Freon is about 116g/mol. Oxygen is 16g/mol. Nitrogen is even lighter. All of which is to say that Freon is substantually heavier than air. To be sure, there is some atmosheric mixing, but the various levels of the atmosphere are really substantially stratified.

Now, the Chlorine is the real culprit here. But even that's heavier than Oxygen. The mystery deepens.

Now, if you really wanted to inject massive ammounts of Chlorine into the upper atmosphere, how would YOU go about that? Me? I'd use a perchlorate based Solid Rocket fuel. Yep, that's how I'd go about it.

Ishmael

double bonds, triple bonds, electrons and radioactivity in the stratasphere, that's how they do it.

 

[Fagin]

Why does everybody blame President Bush for not signing the Kyoto Protocol?

Is it because that President Clinton refused to send it to the Senate for confirmation? Is it because the Senate passed a resolution 95-0 saying don't consider it?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Oh, the irony of it.

Pathetic, isn't he?