Global warming and a country ran by Crude Junkies

[RobDownSouth]

Why does everybody blame President Bush for not signing the Kyoto Protocol?

Is it because that President Clinton refused to send it to the Senate for confirmation? Is it because the Senate passed a resolution 95-0 saying don't consider it?

Well, it might be because Bush said he supported it while on the campaign trail in 2000. Soon as he got elected though, he changed his mind and said he was against it.

 

[Ishmael]

Guess what Rob "the ignorant troll?" I have civil discourse with most people on the board. You're the pissant. I got tired of your shit and now you try to lay off on me your own MO.

Rob, you're a piece of shit. You've always been a piece of shit. You will always be a piece of shit. What's worse, you're a lying piece of shit. You might survive one, or the other, but not both.

Ishmael

 

[Gringao]

Bush supported Kyoto during the campaign?

 

[Sean]

he just doesn't see it does he?

 

[bg23]

I have civil discourse with most people on the board.

without wanting to shit stir...

ah heck, i'm shit stirring.

hahahahahahhahaha!

also, who the fuck has that long ass title or whatever that's screwing up the page? it's annoying. get rid of it.

 

[Gringao]

also, who the fuck has that long ass title or whatever that's screwing up the page? it's annoying. get rid of it.

That's Heretic this time. Usually it's LT with some title as long as a Castro speech.

 

[Sean]

That's Heretic this time. Usually it's LT with some title as long as a Castro speech.

ROTFLMAO!

 

[Ishmael]

it's annoying. get rid of it.

LOL, Empirious tonight I see.

Ishmael

 

[Sean]

LOL, Empirious tonight I see.

Ishmael

Imperious, dear boy.

 

[bg23]

That's Heretic this time. Usually it's LT with some title as long as a Castro speech.

oh.
heretic, I demand you change your location immediately!

...

please?

LOL, Empirious tonight I see.

Ishmael

heehee. ordering people around is fun.

 

[Ishmael]

heehee. ordering people around is fun.

Must be a Lawyer thing.

Ishmael

 

[Gringao]

oh.
heretic, I demand you change your location immediately!

I just looked...LT's got one, too. He's delighting in the thought of people freezing to death because they don't share his politics. Standard shite, IOW.

 

[bg23]

Must be a Lawyer thing.

Ishmael

well since i'm going to be a paper monkey for at least five years after i graduate, i figure i better get in some orders now while i can.

 

[The Heretic]

oh.
heretic, I demand you change your location immediately!

...

please?



heehee. ordering people around is fun.

huh? what?

I didn't do nothin. I have hardly posted anything in the last few days. Been busy, will be busy for a few weeks.

'ta

 

[woody54]

No shit you idiot. You've explained nothing. Just posted some horse shit.

Ishmael

* Note to self.*

Before responding, remember the Neocons propensity for scientific revisionism where profit margins may be affected by caution.





But I would like to know how removing additional Freon from the atmosphere is any way related to removing what is already there influencing the hole we still see. Those pesky freon atoms just die for their 7 Clorine atoms to combine so replacing Freon with CO2 emmissions is a better tradeoff in the long term.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Rob, you know I like and respect you as a poster.

However, do you realise you just showcased precisely how polarised the board is, and why?

Very astute little one. Tai hau le!

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Guess what Rob "the ignorant troll?" I have civil discourse with most people on the board. You're the pissant. I got tired of your shit and now you try to lay off on me your own MO.

Rob, you're a piece of shit. You've always been a piece of shit. You will always be a piece of shit. What's worse, you're a lying piece of shit. You might survive one, or the other, but not both.

Ishmael

I have THREE posters on ignore! ThrobDownSouth is one of them and it's not because I can't take the truth...


I anxiously await zip's next flippant interjection! I am beginning to suspect that he ranks clever over science and fact because he’s such a big Liberal. They never mind using science as a tool for social experimentation and political gain. The best part is, they’re never wrong.

 

[Ishmael]

Pretty much. They can't explain how the chlorine got to those altitudes. They never could. The whole matter was taken on faith that it was normal atmospheric mixing.

Well we've learned a lot more. CO2 doesn't even occur at anywhere near surface concentrations at the altitudes we're talking about and CO2 is only (working from memory here) about 44g/mol in weight. No where near the 116g/mol of the Freon molecule.

Newton was right, gravity works.

Now, how many tons of the residue of solid rockets that use Potasium Perchlorate as an oxidizer do you think have been injected directly into the upper atmosphere since the "Space Age" began? I don't think we'll ever know for certain.

Ishmael

 

[bg23]

Very astute little one. Tai hau le!

i don't speak chinese.
what does that mean?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Very good.

 

[Sean]

Er, Ish. Can you explain to me why the top two layers of the Earth's atmosphere aren't composed solely of H and He? Surely being lighter, they should be above everything else, right?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Eventually we will loose all of the lighter gasses.

What the fuck do you think happened on Mars?

It's always been understood that eventually we would run out of Helium...

 

[Sean]

Eventually we will loose all of the lighter gasses.

What the fuck do you think happened on Mars?

It's always been understood that eventually we would run out of Helium...

What I'm trying to get at, is his argument seems based purely on the molecular weight of certain hand picked compounds. If that were true than surely the bottom layers of the atmosphere would be choking the lot of us to death by now. (If you live in L.A. of course, this is already happening!) The system is a lot more complicated than he's trying to paint it. Conveniently ignoring facts is one of Ish's more irritating habits.

 

[bg23]

Very good.

why thank you, sir.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

What I'm trying to get at, is his argument seems based purely on the molecular weight of certain hand picked compounds. If that were true than surely the bottom layers of the atmosphere would be choking the lot of us to death by now. (If you live in L.A. of course, this is already happening!) The system is a lot more complicated than he's trying to paint it. Conveniently ignoring facts is one of Ish's more irritating habits.

When molecules collide, the lighter ones move more, basic physics. That movement is only up a small percentage at a time. So the lighter molcules are going down more often and farther than the heavier molecules. The heavier molecules cannot accumulate at a lower spot in most places because the earth's rotation and heating cause currents. Plus, sometimes they bang each other up!

But eventually, unless replenished, all the lighter gasses will escape. It just takes an incredibly long time. I am for clean air, environment, etc., but all too often bad science is seized upon with messianic zeal by those whom worship their own wit and secular leanings over impersonal, long-term observation and experimentation.