Intelligent Stories that don’t insult you

[pink_silk_glove]

Just heaping more evidence onto the pile that shows that scores don't mean jack.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Just heaping more evidence onto the pile that shows that scores don't mean jack.

Whatever lets you get through the day.

 

[TheRedChamber]

https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=7425762&page=submissions

I just stumbled upon a story written by this author. I've read a part of the story, and while the writing and the story weren't great, I wouldn't say they were below Lit's average. Yet all the stories written by this author are so incredibly low-rated, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why. He is a brand-new author, so it is hard to imagine he already attracted some bombers... Any ideas?

The guy has posted 18 stories in the space of a month and about 6 of those were on the same day and in the same category. I skimmed a few and, while Im not going to beat on an author who hasnt asked for feedback here, they're pretty difficult to finish (imho). I suspect very few people are voting amongst the already low view count and he probably has picked up a bomber due to flooding the category.

Plus what NoTalentHack mentioned

 

[LetsMisBehave]

Having gone back to the original post, perhaps favourites rather than rating is a better search for looking for challenging and interesting stories. Finding something which people find worthy of saying that works for me and having to put their IDs to it is more telling than anonymous ratings.
At least, that's what I tell myself whenever I've published something in LW.
Seriously, there are things which work very well for some, and others bounce badly off. I should learn that for myself and pay it on by supporting interesting but unpopular stories t let them know that they have an audience.

 

[AG31]

1) Racism. Over in LW, if an author is writing characters with South Asian names, there’s a pretty close to 100% chance it’s going to turn into a cuckolding story, if it doesn’t start that way. Given the size of the LW readership, their general conservatism, and the fact that there’s a pretty big crossover between LW and Romance, I wouldn’t be surprised if the no-cuck brigade is bringing their prejudices (definitely plural there) over and preemptively nuking him.

2) Unmarked series. Most of the stories there say “follows X other story," and people are probably popping in and then noping out when they don’t see a series list. That gives the preemptive 1-bombers an advantage in determining the rating.

3) Low views. This ties in with the point above. Low views plus baked in 1-bombs = low ratings.

4) Low scores beget low scores. People don’t seek out low scoring stories, especially if a writer has a bunch of low scoring stories.

What does the "N" at the end of some of the story titles mean?

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Yellow N = New

 

[lovecraft68]

Just heaping more evidence onto the pile that shows that scores don't mean jack.

I agree, but by saying this it pisses in the cheerios of those who think it does and get excited over them.

 

[AG31]

Yellow N = New

But aren't all stories new at some point?

 

[lovecraft68]

1) Racism. Over in LW, if an author is writing characters with South Asian names, there’s a pretty close to 100% chance it’s going to turn into a cuckolding story, if it doesn’t start that way. Given the size of the LW readership, their general conservatism, and the fact that there’s a pretty big crossover between LW and Romance, I wouldn’t be surprised if the no-cuck brigade is bringing their prejudices (definitely plural there) over and preemptively nuking him.

2) Unmarked series. Most of the stories there say “follows X other story," and people are probably popping in and then noping out when they don’t see a series list. That gives the preemptive 1-bombers an advantage in determining the rating.

3) Low views. This ties in with the point above. Low views plus baked in 1-bombs = low ratings.

4) Low scores beget low scores. People don’t seek out low scoring stories, especially if a writer has a bunch of low scoring stories.

Just clicked on the page and if this guy sticks around we may have found the new Samuel X. If they keep getting killed, but keep posting I'll give them props for being the rare breed of no fucks given author.

Interesting point about the issue of race. I never associated the romance category with that. Thought it was mostly a faction of LW pissed off over the endless race tropes, but looks like it's there too.

But I'll die on the hill that the most racist stories-and readers and authors-on lit are in the interracial category.

 

[djrip]

But aren't all stories new at some point?

But these are new now.

 

[NoTalentHack]

But I'll die on the hill that the most racist stories-and readers and authors-on lit are in the interracial category.

I will wholeheartedly agree with that. Which, of course, is why it's going to be fun to write a story that plays with and interrogates racism and raceplay as a kink. You hear that, IR? I'mma comin' fer ya!

 

[TarnishedPenny]

But aren't all stories new at some point?

It doesn’t last. The N goes away after a week or so.

 

[lovecraft68]

I will wholeheartedly agree with that. Which, of course, is why it's going to be fun to write a story that plays with and interrogates racism and raceplay as a kink. You hear that, IR? I'mma comin' fer ya!

Yeah, I have a feeling race play isn't all that well received in IR. Along the lines of taboo readers who get pissed off if the characters aren't actual family.

On the note of taboo, the fact a lot of people still see interracial sex as a societal taboo, and in cuck stories how a white wife is shown as being extra trashy for being with a black man and the black man often portrayed as a thug who demeans the husband and at times the wife to, is well past sad in this day and age.

I've written a few hot wife stories for sale, and although a couple were killed when on here, they don't do bad sales wise. I know someone who does very well with them and they told me all I need to do to blow up the sales is make the bull or other man black.

I told him the extra money isn't worth playing into that bullshit.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

On the note of taboo, the fact a lot of people still see interracial sex as a societal taboo, and in cuck stories how a white wife is shown as being extra trashy for being with a black man and the black man often portrayed as a thug who demeans the husband and at times the wife to, is well past sad in this day and age.

Taboo is a fucked up category. I find that there are tons of people out there that actually think that taboo means incest, and only incest. So if you write a teacher/student story (which is a taboo, especially if there's some age gap) you probably would not do well in taboo. But where else would it go? Straight to plain old EC I guess.

On the other hand, interracial is totally taboo, yet it gets its own category to itself.

Incest should just be Incest (it is the single biggest kink around here anyways, why lump all the other small stuff in with it?), and taboo should be Non-incest Taboo.

Not only that but as you say, interracial itself is full of what really just amounts to BBC. I really like the idea of good exotic interracial but the whole BBC scene is so devoid of an story or nuance. All it does is fetishize the black man as a superpornman whom white women (and once in a while the odd Asian) beg for him to punish their pussies. It's a real shame. There must be some charming black men of average proportions out there somewhere. No one wants to write about them?

 

[lovecraft68]

Taboo is a fucked up category. I find that there are tons of people out there that actually think that taboo means incest, and only incest. So if you write a teacher/student story (which is a taboo, especially if there's some age gap) you probably would not do well in taboo. But where else would it go? Straight to plain old EC I guess.

On the other hand, interracial is totally taboo, yet it gets its own category to itself.

Incest should just be Incest (it is the single biggest kink around here anyways, why lump all the other small stuff in with it?), and taboo should be Non-incest Taboo.

Not only that but as you say, interracial itself is full of what really just amounts to BBC. I really like the idea of good exotic interracial but the whole BBC scene is so devoid of an story or nuance. All it does is fetishize the black man as a superpornman whom white women (and once in a while the odd Asian) beg for him to punish their pussies. It's a real shame. There must be some charming black men of average proportions out there somewhere. No one wants to write about them?

I think I've said this at some point before, but over time words seem to be molded into one meaning.

As you point out, many things can be taboo, quick example sleeping with your best friend's wife is a taboo because the long standing definition is anything society in general would frown upon. Years ago being with the same sex was a taboo.

But over time the word taboo-thanks at the start to the movie of that title-has been pushed more and more to mean incest, at least in the erotica and porn world. Screwing your mother in law is taboo, but put it in I/T and you're not going to get a great result because its become such a streamlined definition.

I found a site called Pure Taboo that does have other content than incest and that impressed me because they have couples with young men and women, babysitter themes, student teacher all of which in real life would be considered taboo, you shouldn't do those things.

But for the most part Taboo is all but synonymous with Incest and not just in our little porn world.

And interracial was a taboo....back 40+ years ago and previously, but again, if people still see it that way...well, says a lot about them.

 

[RejectReality]

Taboo is a fucked up category. I find that there are tons of people out there that actually think that taboo means incest, and only incest. So if you write a teacher/student story (which is a taboo, especially if there's some age gap) you probably would not do well in taboo. But where else would it go? Straight to plain old EC I guess.

Don't leave all those readers on the table. Unless the teacher is exceptionally young — like just graduated — you've got a perfect setup for the majority of the Mature category's readers. Adding an additional level of taboo with teacher/student, child's friend, etc. just seasons the dish for them.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

And interracial was a taboo....back 40+ years ago and previously, but again, if people still see it that way...well, says a lot about them.

One could easily write an interracial period piece and it would be taboo.

Even today it still is taboo, just depends what neighborhood you're in. All it takes is a disapproving family or somesuch. Still plenty of those around.

 

[AchtungNight]

You want something crazy taboo in Celebrity, try writing a fanfic about Woody Allen and Soon-Yi Previn. Caution- it’s one of those things even I won’t touch. I just do my best to be happy for the lovers in question and let them live their own lives. Readers may feel the same way.

 

[Bramblethorn]

1) Racism. Over in LW, if an author is writing characters with South Asian names, there’s a pretty close to 100% chance it’s going to turn into a cuckolding story, if it doesn’t start that way. Given the size of the LW readership, their general conservatism, and the fact that there’s a pretty big crossover between LW and Romance, I wouldn’t be surprised if the no-cuck brigade is bringing their prejudices (definitely plural there) over and preemptively nuking him.

2) Unmarked series. Most of the stories there say “follows X other story," and people are probably popping in and then noping out when they don’t see a series list. That gives the preemptive 1-bombers an advantage in determining the rating.

3) Low views. This ties in with the point above. Low views plus baked in 1-bombs = low ratings.

4) Low scores beget low scores. People don’t seek out low scoring stories, especially if a writer has a bunch of low scoring stories.

I skimmed one of his 1.00 stories, and I think another factor might be category choices. This is from near the end of "Coming Close":

"Rahul, why don't you marry me? I have had this connection with you since you started grooming me. I know you've had it too. Why don't we take it forward?"

He brought his hand to her face and stroked it softly. "You see, Rachna, I am older than you by twenty years. Let us not complicate what we have by making commitments to each other. Instead, let us keep this secret and remain friends."

"But I want you." She protested.

"I want you too. I can't even hide it anymore, but sacrifices have to be made for greatness to come. I will make you a queen. You are my girl, my project, and I want to make the best of you. You will surely get married one day. But to someone else, someone of your age level, let that be when you are ready. Everything will fall into place if you take your time and do not rush. I want to bring you up to the point that your husband and in-laws will regard you greatly. You will have a say in that marriage. You will be the one calling the shots. And for that, I will groom you."

Leaving aside the unfortunate associations of "grooming" these days... if I was writing a story like this, I'd probably put it in Mature. Instead it was posted in Romance. Probably not the best place for that sentiment of "I don't want to get committed, just to be a mentor who fucks you and sets you up to marry somebody else".

 

[AG31]

"in the worlds that he creates." That's what's had me a little on the edge on the thread discussion thus far. If the author creates a "world"/atmosphere that is "off" in terms of current reality but is consistent within itself, I don't think that real-life believability is necessary. Is it believable within the alternate world the author creates?

That's a basic issue in my GM stories. They are set in a world in which homosexuality and active gay life are not only acceptable, but they also are pretty much the world of the story. Establishing that saves me the time and effort of dealing with the story's culture as something off to the side or has to be rationalized with each story. I think if I've been successful in creating that world separate from current reality, the story should be assessed in terms of that world being legitimate for that story. (And if you aren't willing/capable of doing that, you should go read somewhere else.)

You have absolutely been successful! I stay away from sci-fi and fantasy, so you are my go to example of how the story world doesn't have to match the real world.

One critique of my stories that I just glide right over is "this isn't how BDSM works." Or "you have to do <such and such> in a dungeon." Yeah, well. But did it work for you?

 

[pink_silk_glove]

One critique of my stories that I just glide right over is "this isn't how BDSM works." Or "you have to do <such and such> in a dungeon." Yeah, well. But did it work for you?

BDSM is just that way. There are just a whole bunch of righteously defensive folks over their D/s and dungeon kinks. Get it 'right' (which only means that your presentation of kink agrees with theirs) and you're a hero. Get it 'wrong' (disagree) and you're an ignorant motherfucking asshole. Got no time for those attitudes myself.

 

[AG31]

BDSM is just that way. There are just a whole bunch of righteously defensive folks over their D/s and dungeon kinks. Get it 'right' (which only means that your presentation of kink agrees with theirs) and you're a hero. Get it 'wrong' (disagree) and you're an ignorant motherfucking asshole. Got no time for those attitudes myself.

Wo! Thanks so much for this clarity. I've been bumbling around in my head trying to articulate what's going on with "BDSM." You did it really well.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Wo! Thanks so much for this clarity. I've been bumbling around in my head trying to articulate what's going on with "BDSM." You did it really well.

Everybody is different of course, but that complicates things even more.

"A Dom should ALWAYS _______" (fill in the blank).

"A sub should ALWAYS _______" (fill in the blank).

You hear this crap constantly with this crowd and the blank fills in a thousand different ways. And if you write something contrary to what the reader wants you to fill in their blank, you're an asshole who doesn't understand BDSM. Even in casual sex chat, if you mention some aspect of BDSM off-handedly, someone is bound to get their panties in a knot and maybe even get uppity with you no matter what it is that you said.

 

[AG31]

Everybody is different of course, but that complicates things even more.

"A Dom should ALWAYS _______" (fill in the blank).

"A sub should ALWAYS _______" (fill in the blank).

You hear this crap constantly with this crowd and the blank fills in a thousand different ways. And if you write something contrary to what the reader wants you to fill in their blank, you're an asshole who doesn't understand BDSM. Even in casual sex chat, if you mention some aspect of BDSM off-handedly, someone is bound to get their panties in a knot and maybe even get uppity with you no matter what it is that you said.

You do have a way with words...

 

[Lifestyle66]

Everybody is different of course, but that complicates things even more.

"A Dom should ALWAYS _______" (fill in the blank).

"A sub should ALWAYS _______" (fill in the blank).

You hear this crap constantly with this crowd and the blank fills in a thousand different ways. And if you write something contrary to what the reader wants you to fill in their blank, you're an asshole who doesn't understand BDSM. Even in casual sex chat, if you mention some aspect of BDSM off-handedly, someone is bound to get their panties in a knot and maybe even get uppity with you no matter what it is that you said.

That sounds like EVERYTHING everyone thinks about all aspects of sex ... and just about everything else today.

"I am right, and if you don't agree with me and MY definitions and view of reality, then you're a _____" (fill in the blank with an insult).

And we can hear that attitude from more and more people on every side of every argument.