John Engelman, come on down.

[ll74]

What is "cheery picked about data drawn from the College Board, ACT,

http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm

and the U.S. Department of Justice?

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Lol.....right.

 

[icanhelp1]

His conclusions have always been based on cherry picked data. John has never even looked at the source data to confirm validity of the pictures he stole from some random website, much less read the conclusions of the studies by the authors themselves. He has a folder with pictures and quotes that were taken from third party websites that support his "argument" and uses that copypasta over and over and over

He's been challenged in depth by multiple people and typically responds with "what have I said that isn't true?"

While I commend your effort - just because someone makes an argument doesn't mean they are owed a response to that argument. Though it will be fun to watch him squirm in response.

The problem with you is there is never a source good enough for you. I brought up Vaers as a starting point to quantify vaccines side effects and you did everything in your power refute it.

 

[Rightguide]

you often write fantastic threads, I'm usually a big fan

but these IQ test threads that you're doing every year
are getting a tad repetitive

Why not start Craniometry and Physical Anthropology threads instead?

You probably wouldn't like those either.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Lol.....right.

What did I say that is not true? When will you begin to document your assertions?

 

[rockcasbah]

And pretty white mistresses.

If a man’s gonna be impotent, he needs to look impotent.
- Huggy Bear

 

[ll74]

The problem with you is there is never a source good enough for you. I brought up Vaers as a starting point to quantify vaccines side effects and you did everything in your power refute it.

VAERS isn't a starting point for any analysis. It's a reporting system. I could have an "adverse effect" from a vaccine in the form of a rash. Does that mean the vaccine caused the rash? No....if a doctor reports a death in VAERS, does it mean the death was caused by the vaccine? No. It's a good starting point for a medical investigation but not for someone to prove that the vaccine caused something to happen.

Additionally, the number of vaccines being taken by adults is exponentially highers now than since the system was created...so comparisons are worthless as well.

I don't discount sources...I mostly just discount misappropriation of sources, since people throw around data as if they know what the data means....having information does not mean you understand the information.

It's fairly obvious when I can look at the study.and look at the analysis of the person posting and see two completely different positions...that means that the data is being misunderstood or misused towards their purpose.

 

[ll74]

What did I say that is not true? When will you begin to document your assertions?

I've told you time and time again....Im not here to argue your points. I'm not here to refute your bullshit conclusions ....I reject them ....you're simply a racist who thinks you're arguing facts and looking for validation from a porn board.

The OP made several arguments against your bullshit....maybe respond to them on that if you're looking to "discuss". Strange enough you've responded to everyone except him

 

[icanhelp1]

VAERS isn't a starting point for any analysis. It's a reporting system. I could have an "adverse effect" from a vaccine in the form of a rash. Does that mean the vaccine caused the rash? No....if a doctor reports a death in VAERS, does it mean the death was caused by the vaccine? No. It's a good starting point for a medical investigation but not for someone to prove that the vaccine caused something to happen.

Additionally, the number of vaccines being taken by adults is exponentially highers now than since the system was created...so comparisons are worthless as well.

I don't discount sources...I mostly just discount misappropriation of sources, since people throw around data as if they know what the data means....having information does not mean you understand the information.

It's fairly obvious when I can look at the study.and look at the analysis of the person posting and see two completely different positions...that means that the data is being misunderstood or misused towards their purpose.

A collection of data is a starting point for analysis and VAERS is a data collection point.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

VAERS is the nation’s early warning system that monitors the safety of vaccines after they are authorized or licensed for use by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS is part of the larger vaccine safety system in the United States that helps make sure vaccines are safe. The system is co-managed by CDC and FDA.

VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of possible health problems—also called “adverse events”—after vaccination. As an early warning system, VAERS cannot prove that a vaccine caused a problem. Specifically, a report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event. But VAERS can give CDC and FDA important information. If it looks as though a vaccine might be causing a problem, FDA and CDC will investigate further and take action if needed.

Looks to me that CDC IS USING VAERS AS A STARTING POINT FOR FURTHER ANALYSIS!

 

[ll74]

A collection of data is a starting point for analysis and VAERS is a data collection point.

It's the starting point for an investigation. Someone dying after a vaccine from an auto accident is not actually helpful in an analysis of vaccine risks.

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[doubleover]

It's the starting point for an investigation. Someone dying after a vaccine from an auto accident is not actually helpful in an analysis of vaccine risks.

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Kinda like someone dying that has Covid from an auto accident should not
be considered a Covid death.

 

[Wrong Element]

our home grown blacks

No comment.

 

[ll74]

Kinda like someone dying that has Covid from an auto accident should not
be considered a Covid death.

No, actually nothing like that. We're discussing VAERS....do try and keep up

 

[ll74]

Hey @JohnEngelman , are you ever going to address the OP or no?

 

[rockcasbah]

America has a white majority, yet still battles to contain negro riots, which crop up regular with the usual lawlessness and savgery. There is also the looting associated with it, like New Orleans, which resembles what happened in Durban.

What do people think would happen if whites in america were only 10% of the population, and had to divert most of their youth to contain these negroes from destroying everything? The number of security forces would be the same, since we have the same number of negroes. Only here a very very far larger percentage of whites would be required due to an only 5 million white population having to contain the savagery of 50 million darkies, Would america have progressed if 2 years of the youth of white men was required to contain it, with several weeks a year additional until they are 50?

The behaviour of negroes not only destroys the infrastructure and costs tax money, it also robs the nation of the industry of white youth, who must now serve instead of building and developing. What killed Rhodesia was not losing to darkies but married working men having to go to the army for up to 6 months every year. Who looks after their family? How can the business afford it having to pay the salary? It is a huge strain on finance and family life so good white men start leaving. Experienced cadre leave, taking their family, so new white youth also diminish. But I guess at least you survived. Under black rule survival becomes impossible. Sooner or later the white man will have to take a stand as the USA has only 1 generation to go until you are minority, the UK maybe 2. Liberals like to say nothing will change, They said that here as well. Those liberals have emigrated to escape the consequences of their vote and the nation is on the africa path of corruption and collapse. When I speak to an SA liberal they say 'I didnt know it would be like this". what? just look north at every african nation. what else did you expect

South Africa ‘on the precipice of explosive xenophobic violence’, UN experts warn​

I just saw the phrase “ too black to be South African”

Black sa killing black(er) immigrants?

Thats nuts.

 

[JohnEngelman]

VAERS isn't a starting point for any analysis. It's a reporting system. I could have an "adverse effect" from a vaccine in the form of a rash. Does that mean the vaccine caused the rash? No....if a doctor reports a death in VAERS, does it mean the death was caused by the vaccine? No. It's a good starting point for a medical investigation but not for someone to prove that the vaccine caused something to happen.

Additionally, the number of vaccines being taken by adults is exponentially highers now than since the system was created...so comparisons are worthless as well.

I don't discount sources...I mostly just discount misappropriation of sources, since people throw around data as if they know what the data means....having information does not mean you understand the information.

It's fairly obvious when I can look at the study.and look at the analysis of the person posting and see two completely different positions...that means that the data is being misunderstood or misused towards their purpose.

You are incapable of evaluating evidence and arguing rationally. There is nothing behind your opinions but hot air.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I've told you time and time again....Im not here to argue your points. I'm not here to refute your bullshit conclusions ....I reject them ....you're simply a racist who thinks you're arguing facts and looking for validation from a porn board.

The OP made several arguments against your bullshit....maybe respond to them on that if you're looking to "discuss". Strange enough you've responded to everyone except hi

Generally speaking I agree with the OP.

Now, where do I go with my assertions? I believe that blacks are responsible for their problems. Unfortunately, because the problems are genetic, they cannot be solved. At least whites should not feel in any way responsible.

 

[JohnEngelman]

On politics. The democrat party has built a coalition of "tribes." Their entire focus is to appeal to various minority groups in order to build a majority. Identity politics (tribalism) is a loser and does nothing to move a nation forward. I bring this up because in spite of you proclaiming to be a democrat, you are doing your best to alienate one of the parties key voting groups. An activity that seems quite paradoxical to me. I don't doubt your sincerity in what you post, merely wondering whether you've thought it through to a cohesive whole and where you're going with it and what you plan to do about it?

I believe that the civil rights movement was a well intended mistake. When Southern whites and working class whites were loyal to the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party dominated the United States. White racial moderates had the right to believe that by giving Negroes equal rights they were buying racial peace. What they got instead was five years of black ghetto riots and more enduring increases in black social pathology.

I want the Democrat Party to become what it was before the civil rights legislation was passed and the War on Poverty was declared. I want the Democrat Party to win back much of the South and most of the white working class. This would require the Democrats to end affirmative action, stop appearing to be open to racial reparations, and to favor a much tougher criminal justice system. It would also require the Democrats to stop the government from helping single mothers with illegitimate children. When Aid to Families with Dependent Children was adopted as part of President Roosevelt's New Deal it was specifically restricted to widows, deserted wives, and their legitimate children. We need to get back to those restrictions.

Once it becomes commonly and publicly acknowledged that IQ differences matter, that they are genetic, and that average racial differences in IQ are significant, I think the Democrat Party will cooperate with the Republican Party in making the legal and political changes that are necessary. A black person should only receive equal rewards with a white person if the black person behaves and performs as well as the white person. Whites have done far too much to help blacks. The more we help them, the worse they behave.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Now to the cultural aspects. Before I dive into this I recommend that you read "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. Now for a tale of two island chains. The US Virgin Islands and the British Virgin Islands. The US Virgin Islands are a crime ridden nightmare, no one of sound mind would ever visit those islands. Yet within sight of the US Virgin Island are the British Virgin Islands which are not plagued by crime. Both are black majorities of slave stock. Why the difference? Some years ago I was seated beside a US Virgin Island Senator. We had a long discussion regarding what was going on. He was educating me and I listened. It seems that starting in the late 70's early 80's "educators" from the US began to "educate" the population that they were oppressed victims and not responsible for their lot in life. Apparently the British didn't make the same mistake. Overall blacks from the West Indies, and Africa, do better than our home grown blacks. I refuse to believe that we got the "stupid" ones.

The West Indies still has a very high crime rate. I think the Negroes we get from there are the best, not the average.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Keep in mind that I am not advocating that blacks be discriminated against. I am advocating that they not be discriminated in favor of. That advocacy should not be controversial. Unfortunately it has become so.

 

[icanhelp1]

You are incapable of evaluating evidence and arguing rationally. There is nothing behind your opinions but hot air.

Evidence is data, VEARS is a collection mechanism to collect data. You have to collect data before the evaluation process can begin. Info submitted to VEARS is collected first ( starting point), then sorted, analysed, evaluated and then the investigation proceeds forward based on viability of data. 74 loves to play the semantics game.

 

[ll74]

Generally speaking I agree with the OP.

Now, where do I go with my assertions? I believe that blacks are responsible for their problems. Unfortunately, because the problems are genetic, they cannot be solved. At least whites should not feel in any way responsible.

So respond to the quote.

 

[ll74]

You are incapable of evaluating evidence and arguing rationally. There is nothing behind your opinions but hot air.

Ive never had an argument with you. I've rejected your viewpoints from day 1.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Ive never had an argument with you. I've rejected your viewpoints from day 1.

You reject my arguments because you dislike what I say, even though you know that what I say is true.

 

[rockcasbah]

You reject my arguments because you dislike what I say, even though you know that what I say is true.

No, you dislike what I say!

( from the highly respected Nyah Nyah Study)

 

[ll74]

You reject my arguments because you dislike what I say, even though you know that what I say is true.

I reject it because your conclusions are based on your own racist bullshit. Whether you need something else to feel better about it is your own thing. I am not required to justify anything for you