'Man'imal- Where to draw the line?

[HottieMama]

Bestiality, I think, is not covered under the umbrella of BDSM, however if someone comes forward and points to a specific BDSM concept that they implement in their activities with animals, then they must be let underneath the umbrella.

Dude, seriously...It's a little full under the umbrella. It's time for some people to stand out in the rain.

 

[YourCaptor]

Dude, seriously...It's a little full under the umbrella. It's time for some people to stand out in the rain.

So cold hearted.

Well, we could shorten it to BS

 

[Ganyeka]

I don't care if you're sharing a bowl of pasta in a moonlit alley a la The Lady and the Tramp or slamming the pooch while it gets candle wax dripped on it in the stocks, if you're doing it with an ANIMAL it is predominantly BEASTIALITY. Your technique is not the relevant thing in my view. The issue is your four legged fury partner. The non-human thing with it's dick in you, or vice versa.

I have been wondering though if there is a way to undertake a more useless examination of this deviant behaviour than the current "If you're fucking a dog, does that make it D/s and therefore under the BDSM Umbrella" line of enquiry. Who gives a fuck? Your dick is in Man's Best friend and you're wondering whether your place in the pack order makes it BDSM as well? I mean give me a friggin break!

It's like killing as many Kurds as you can and wondering if that makes you a mass murderer or a genocidal maniac. Who gives a fuck? You're knee deep in blood!

 

[twysted73]

I don't care if you're sharing a bowl of pasta in a moonlit alley a la The Lady and the Tramp or slamming the pooch while it gets candle wax dripped on it in the stocks, if you're doing it with an ANIMAL it is predominantly BEASTIALITY. Your technique is not the relevant thing in my view. The issue is your four legged fury partner. The non-human thing with it's dick in you, or vice versa.

I have been wondering though if there is a way to undertake a more useless examination of this deviant behaviour than the current "If you're fucking a dog, does that make it D/s and therefore under the BDSM Umbrella" line of enquiry. Who gives a fuck? Your dick is in Man's Best friend and you're wondering whether your place in the pack order makes it BDSM as well? I mean give me a friggin break!

It's like killing as many Kurds as you can and wondering if that makes you a mass murderer or a genocidal maniac. Who gives a fuck? You're knee deep in blood!

You're...pretty hung up on middle eastern politics I see.
Most of the aussies in Afghanistan and Iraq that I met were a lot easier to talk to then you are.

But that vegimite...you talk about bestaility being hard to swallow....
(no pun intended ladies...honest)

:: sheesh :: I'd rather let my dog fuck my girlfriend then eat a piece of toast with THAt shit on it.



Wait....did you really say "fugetaboutit" back there?

 

[00Syd]

I personally think that bestiality is disgusting and gross and for sure a little wrong, but its definitely not the most "deviant" sexual act I can think of, and I sure as hell don't have such a violent reaction to peoples opinions on it.

This is a civil discussion, so please, relax. All opinions are tolerated and listened to and discussed, but who wants to talk to someone so... mean?

 

[Homburg]

I don't care if you're sharing a bowl of pasta in a moonlit alley a la The Lady and the Tramp or slamming the pooch while it gets candle wax dripped on it in the stocks, if you're doing it with an ANIMAL it is predominantly BEASTIALITY. Your technique is not the relevant thing in my view. The issue is your four legged fury partner. The non-human thing with it's dick in you, or vice versa.

I have been wondering though if there is a way to undertake a more useless examination of this deviant behaviour than the current "If you're fucking a dog, does that make it D/s and therefore under the BDSM Umbrella" line of enquiry. Who gives a fuck? Your dick is in Man's Best friend and you're wondering whether your place in the pack order makes it BDSM as well? I mean give me a friggin break!

It's like killing as many Kurds as you can and wondering if that makes you a mass murderer or a genocidal maniac. Who gives a fuck? You're knee deep in blood!

Your girlfriend left you for a border collie, didn't she? You gotta let out these unresolved feelings, Friend. Keeping them bottled up inside you just leads to further acts of rage.

 

[BiBunny]

Your girlfriend left you for a border collie, didn't she? You gotta let out these unresolved feelings, Friend. Keeping them bottled up inside you just leads to further acts of rage.

I should get all Toppy on your furry ass for not posting a damned spew warning!

 

[madetotakeit]

I should get all Toppy on your furry ass for not posting a damned spew warning!

Ditto, but I'll let Bunny handle the Toppy thing for me!

 

[twysted73]

Ditto, but I'll let Bunny handle the Toppy thing for me!

Why you jackin' muh "eye" thing fo woman!
Hatuhs.

Dayum.

 

[madetotakeit]

Why you jackin' my "eye" thing fo woman!
Hatuhs.

Dayum.

Didn't even think of that. lol

Anyway my real eyes beat out your graphic eyes (even if they do have a cool Dommy feel to 'em!)

 

[twysted73]

Didn't even think of that. lol

Anyway my real eyes beat out your graphic eyes (even if they do have a cool Dommy feel to 'em!)

Stick with what works, right?

Your photo is fine. It's more "you" I think then the black and white photo.

Oh, btw, ignore the australian. I dropped into am. photo and he's cutting on images a Dom posted of his bound (and pregnant) wife.

He's an ass-hat looking for attention.
Nothing more.

Dead to me henceforth.

A non-entity.

 

[Ganyeka]

You're...pretty hung up on middle eastern politics I see.
Most of the aussies in Afghanistan and Iraq that I met were a lot easier to talk to then you are.

But that vegimite...you talk about bestaility being hard to swallow....
(no pun intended ladies...honest)

:: sheesh :: I'd rather let my dog fuck my girlfriend then eat a piece of toast with THAt shit on it.



Wait....did you really say "fugetaboutit" back there?

Vegemite does seem to be an acquired taste. Aussie kids grow up on it because parents buy the BS advertising that it's full of good nutrients. I love the stuff. Hot toasted white bread, butter and vegemite - mmmmm. I'm not hung up on Middle Eastern politics, they were just a couple excamples that leapt to mind.

And yeah, I have been posting in an aggressive way on this topic. Honestly, I never think about bestiality, then you see a thread like this and think WTF? How do you rationalise that? But people can rationalise anything they want to do. If I met someone who admitted to me they either had sex with animals or fantasised about doing it, I would lose all respect for that person. I would not want anything to do with someone who's morals and thought processes were so completely alien to mine. Some lines are just not meant to be crossed, and for good reason. There is almost this defiant immaturity about it. "Society says this is beyond the pail, taboo, illegal, therefore I must do it" and the act of defiance is what arouses the person regardless of how repugnant the act itself is. It's like a kid told not to do something and wanting to do it even more as a result. I guess I just expect a little more maturity from adults. At least ones I am going to have any respect for.

 

[YourCaptor]

Vegemite does seem to be an acquired taste. Aussie kids grow up on it because parents buy the BS advertising that it's full of good nutrients. I love the stuff. Hot toasted white bread, butter and vegemite - mmmmm. I'm not hung up on Middle Eastern politics, they were just a couple excamples that leapt to mind.

And yeah, I have been posting in an aggressive way on this topic. Honestly, I never think about bestiality, then you see a thread like this and think WTF? How do you rationalise that? But people can rationalise anything they want to do. If I met someone who admitted to me they either had sex with animals or fantasised about doing it, I would lose all respect for that person. I would not want anything to do with someone who's morals and thought processes were so completely alien to mine. Some lines are just not meant to be crossed, and for good reason. There is almost this defiant immaturity about it. "Society says this is beyond the pail, taboo, illegal, therefore I must do it" and the act of defiance is what arouses the person regardless of how repugnant the act itself is. It's like a kid told not to do something and wanting to do it even more as a result. I guess I just expect a little more maturity from adults. At least ones I am going to have any respect for.

I tend to loss all respect for people who cant control themselves and blurt out incoherent obscenitys.

 

[Ganyeka]

I tend to loss all respect for people who cant control themselves and blurt out incoherent obscenitys.

Please point out where I was incoherent, and why you say I can't control myself. I swore a few times, but somehow I think that's a little issue when we consider the topic at hand, don't you? I was aggressive, but it was deliberate and controlled aggression. It was used to make a point and convey the depth of my revulsion for the act of beastiality. How vulgar of me to use occasional bad language when we're talking about people having intercourse with farm animals. What was I thinking.

And of course if you have something to add that isn't merely argumentative please feel free.

 

[Emmalee]

In the interest of adding something not argumentative ...

I found this article, Zoophilia in Men.pdf (can't make it an attachment so if you click on the link will have to download file) by Williams and Weinburg from the Archives of Sexual Behavior journal while writing a research paper recently and thought it to be pretty interesting. The sections on the importance of the labels these men chose to give themselves and the creation of identity as a group through the Internet struck me as particularly relevant.

As for my own personal opinions on the matter, they have already been expressed by others in this thread far more eloquently than I could ever hope to! It's lovely being part of a community in which *cough* most can handle such a polarizing topic with such grace and good humor.

*sneaks back to lurking*

 

[be_ignited]

Please point out where I was incoherent, and why you say I can't control myself. I swore a few times, but somehow I think that's a little issue when we consider the topic at hand, don't you? I was aggressive, but it was deliberate and controlled aggression. It was used to make a point and convey the depth of my revulsion for the act of bestiality. How vulgar of me to use occasional bad language when we're talking about people having intercourse with farm animals. What was I thinking.

And of course if you have something to add that isn't merely argumentative please feel free.

And what do you have to add? You've come in here, and every post you've made has either been the same argument as your first post or has been defending your "controlled aggression." We get it. You think Bestiality is sick, repulsive, and *gasp* DEVIANT (an argument I suspect won't get you very far with the people on this board). In fact, there are even people here who have the same reaction, but they have been able to keep the discourse civil. Maybe they're just more accustomed to actually having to interact with human beings.

On a separate note, why blame people for what turns them on? Whether it be animals, rough sex, or a member of the same gender, I tend to believe that what gets us going sexually is, to a large degree, beyond our control. You can't control what thoughts you have; you can control what you do with them.

 

[faeriefire]

freedom of speech and responsibility

Freedom of speech IMHO is not about projecting your thoughts on others. It is not about attack or hurting another human being. Freedom of speech is a right and with it comes responsibility. We are held accountable for our words and actions. Freedom of speech should never be an excuse. It is a weighty responsibility, a great thing in many cases, and it is too often abused. On this forum the vast majority of people claim their opinions as their own and respect those of others, even if they differ vastly. Judging someone and saying 'you should think the way I do' eeks of insecurity and closemindedness. Open dialogue and progress would not happen if people did not have the ability to rationalize and consider various avenues of thought. And we humans are an ever-changing tapestry, a work-in-progress. The freedom-of-speech excuse does not hold water IMHO because to me with the right to say what you think comes with inherent responsibility to respect others and their right to do the same. Sadly many will disagree but it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it...

 

[JMohegan]

I LOVE this post JM!

Nice of you to say so. Thanks, Fury.

 

[00Syd]

Vegemite does seem to be an acquired taste. Aussie kids grow up on it because parents buy the BS advertising that it's full of good nutrients. I love the stuff. Hot toasted white bread, butter and vegemite - mmmmm. I'm not hung up on Middle Eastern politics, they were just a couple excamples that leapt to mind.

And yeah, I have been posting in an aggressive way on this topic. Honestly, I never think about bestiality, then you see a thread like this and think WTF? How do you rationalise that? But people can rationalise anything they want to do. If I met someone who admitted to me they either had sex with animals or fantasised about doing it, I would lose all respect for that person. I would not want anything to do with someone who's morals and thought processes were so completely alien to mine. Some lines are just not meant to be crossed, and for good reason. There is almost this defiant immaturity about it. "Society says this is beyond the pail, taboo, illegal, therefore I must do it" and the act of defiance is what arouses the person regardless of how repugnant the act itself is. It's like a kid told not to do something and wanting to do it even more as a result. I guess I just expect a little more maturity from adults. At least ones I am going to have any respect for.

I doubt people who are attracted to bestiality are only doing it to shock people, I mean, maybe someone who IS attracted to bestiality will come here and prove me wrong, but why bring that sort of stigma and shame onto yourself willingly? I mean, really, if you wanted to "defy society" or whatever would you really CHOSE to do that by fucking a sheep? I don't think people pick and chose what it is that they are attracted to. Did YOU chose your sexuality or what turns you on? No, its inherent.

I REALLY don't like bestiality, but I'm not going to blame someone for what turns them on. I'm not going to demonize someone who is attracted by something that I think is gross. In my opinion, THAT is what's immature.

 

[cherokee_dove]

Please point out where I was incoherent, and why you say I can't control myself. I swore a few times, but somehow I think that's a little issue when we consider the topic at hand, don't you? I was aggressive, but it was deliberate and controlled aggression. It was used to make a point and convey the depth of my revulsion for the act of beastiality. How vulgar of me to use occasional bad language when we're talking about people having intercourse with farm animals. What was I thinking.

And of course if you have something to add that isn't merely argumentative please feel free.

First off, over here; (and not the General Board) the people have a little bit more civil ways of making their points and Freedom of Speech heard and understood.

We don't usually yell, cuss, scream, and type words that portray you (the typer) as being a total jackass. We tend to discuss our likes and dislike in more calmer ways than that!

And if the way you were typing (talking) is what you consider "Controlled Aggression", might i suggest some therapy to get that aggression a little more under control.

 

[twysted73]

I REALLY don't like bestiality, but I'm not going to blame someone for what turns them on. I'm not going to demonize someone who is attracted by something that I think is gross. In my opinion, THAT is what's immature.

Well said my dear. Well said.
Truest form of lifestyle expression I think.

 

[JamieB]

I doubt people who are attracted to bestiality are only doing it to shock people, I mean, maybe someone who IS attracted to bestiality will come here and prove me wrong, but why bring that sort of stigma and shame onto yourself willingly? I mean, really, if you wanted to "defy society" or whatever would you really CHOSE to do that by fucking a sheep? I don't think people pick and chose what it is that they are attracted to. Did YOU chose your sexuality or what turns you on? No, its inherent.

I REALLY don't like bestiality, but I'm not going to blame someone for what turns them on. I'm not going to demonize someone who is attracted by something that I think is gross. In my opinion, THAT is what's immature.

Trudat, 00Syd. Very well said. If someone wants to hop up on a moral soapbox and judge people, I'm sure there's a religion forum out there on the internets.

J

 

[intothewoods]

I doubt people who are attracted to bestiality are only doing it to shock people, I mean, maybe someone who IS attracted to bestiality will come here and prove me wrong, but why bring that sort of stigma and shame onto yourself willingly? I mean, really, if you wanted to "defy society" or whatever would you really CHOSE to do that by fucking a sheep? I don't think people pick and chose what it is that they are attracted to. Did YOU chose your sexuality or what turns you on? No, its inherent.

I REALLY don't like bestiality, but I'm not going to blame someone for what turns them on. I'm not going to demonize someone who is attracted by something that I think is gross. In my opinion, THAT is what's immature.

Well, I think it's safe to say that sexual desires are usually not that simplistic, especially where they cover a taboo area. But I don't think it's totally out of bounds to think there is a reaction to society going on there.

Also, I'm all for everyone being civil, but I'd like to point out that there was swearing and oh you are kidding me please from the other side as well. However, I'm always wary when that attitude comes from someone who hasn't really posted here before and comes in with guns a'blazin. And also, I don't want to go down the let's get into how so and so is rude road. That road was soo not fun.

 

[satindesire]

Thank you, I was about to say something to the same effect here.

I'm not trying to start a throw down here... I'm just trying to gain some insight.

Consent is a human concept. So does that idea still apply if the subject in question has no concept of it by it's own nature?

It's a human concept but it's also a 'Higher Reasoning" concept. Hence the 'age of consent' laws. Very young children could give vocal consent to have intercourse with an older person but that doesn't make it right. Informed higher brain functioning choices are what separates good, sane sex from the squick.

 

[intothewoods]

It's a human concept but it's also a 'Higher Reasoning" concept. Hence the 'age of consent' laws. Very young children could give vocal consent to have intercourse with an older person but that doesn't make it right. Informed higher brain functioning choices are what separates good, sane sex from the squick.

Thank you, that's a good way of putting part of what was percolating in my head. I think true consent is such a complex thing.

Again, I'm not so concerned with legalities, or policing people, but I do also feel part of being in a community is voicing your opinion, even when it's to say, I think this is wrong.