'Man'imal- Where to draw the line?

[Essene]

Not a bad guess, hmm?
I was very close indeed.

Funny thing that. That's pretty much how I pictured her cat as well. Hmm...veddy intedesting.

 

[EmpressFi]

I couldnt do it, wouldnt want to do it, makes me throw up in my mouth a little to think about it. I skipped right through that part in the Beauty trilogy. Using food, ie peanut butter or milk to get an animal to participate isnt consent..it's coersion.

It's disgusting and cruel and may be harmful to the animal

But that's just my opinion and I'm allowed to have it.

 

[Adakgirl]

I will admit, pics of women attempting to take huge horse cock in their cunt's get me very wet. I doubt I would ever try it, but damn... looking at it turns me on. This probably has to do with my fascination with big cocks in general.

 

[twysted73]

I will admit, pics of women attempting to take huge horse cock in their cunt's get me very wet. I doubt I would ever try it, but damn... looking at it turns me on.

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[Kajira Callista]

*Sigh* Y'all do realize that going through what is essentially a "my kink is not as disgusting as your kink" exercise is useless, right? To most people, we're all a bunch of gross, nasty perverts. I don't think Least Sick of the Sick People is much of an award to aspire to, in my opinion. It's kind of like saying, "Well, we both have incurable STDs, but since you've got full-blown AIDS, and I've only got HIV, then I'm somehow less sick (in the diseased sense) than you are."

But then I'm proud to be a gross, nasty pervert, so I suppose it doesn't matter that much does it?

I you lots right now

 

[Essene]

I couldnt do it, wouldnt want to do it, makes me throw up in my mouth a little to think about it. I skipped right through that part in the Beauty trilogy. Using food, ie peanut butter or milk to get an animal to participate isnt consent..it's coersion.

It's disgusting and cruel and may be harmful to the animal

But that's just my opinion and I'm allowed to have it.

In all seriousness, it's most definitely not my thing either. But I think there is a bit of a difference between fantasy and reality. I most certainly would not condone acting on it because it is illegal. It's also illegal for a reason. In some cases it is damaging, and consent can not be measured from a legal standpoint.

If animals could legally consent, I'd just have to say "no thanks" and keep moving.

I did like Bunny's comment though. There's really no point in arguing who is more disgusting than whom.

Like you said, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to have it, and we move on.

So this is me moving on.

Interesting thread, and provided a few laughs. Thank's Gigi.

 

[SweetGigi]

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simmer big fella.... simmer.


*smirks*

 

[Xelebes]

In what state is it legal?

Denmark.

 

[intothewoods]

In all seriousness, it's most definitely not my thing either. But I think there is a bit of a difference between fantasy and reality. I most certainly would not condone acting on it because it is illegal. It's also illegal for a reason. In some cases it is damaging, and consent can not be measured from a legal standpoint.

If animals could legally consent, I'd just have to say "no thanks" and keep moving.

I did like Bunny's comment though. There's really no point in arguing who is more disgusting than whom.

Like you said, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to have it, and we move on.

So this is me moving on.

Interesting thread, and provided a few laughs. Thank's Gigi.

If we're talking fantasy, rock out with your cock out. If we're talking real life action, I'm with Fi. It's not about a gross out contest, I think when we're talking innnocenty bystanders, which animals are, it crosses a different line. I mean, we're not talking shit or bile or something that's just too gross for me. We're talking about having sex with an animal, a creature that is just capable of conenting to that.

 

[FurryFury]

Fury, you have a twin to my baby girl; who's asleep on my lap as we speak.

And i agree about the saltiness. My eldest son runs alot. He comes in and goes to give her hugs, and she starts licking his face; which i think reverts back to the "cat cleaning her kittens" feelings within her.

As to beastiality and zoophilia, i could not even think about it with my cat. As someone earlier in the thread said, she is like one of my own kids.

But i have fantasized and read stories about doing it with dogs, but thats as far as it will ever go for me.

In my mind, it does come down to whether or not the animals truly (and yes, i know that word causes uproars in here; but with animals-its a completely different thing IMO) understand and want to do it, or if they are just trained and beaten into doing so for the sake of their lives.

That's my fav breed of cat btw. I went to a lot of trouble to get her!

 

[BiBunny]

So when the aforementioned horny stallion humps his water bucket, then he's really being raped by the bucket, since he can't consent to doing it, even though he's the one who initiated the contact in the first place? Or, wait, maybe the bucket's being raped, since it's an inanimate object and can't consent, either. And, hey, neither can dildos and vibrators. Hmmm....

 

[intothewoods]

So when the aforementioned horny stallion humps his water bucket, then he's really being raped by the bucket, since he can't consent to doing it, even though he's the one who initiated the contact in the first place? Or, wait, maybe the bucket's being raped, since it's an inanimate object and can't consent, either. And, hey, neither can dildos and vibrators. Hmmm....

Yes, animals hump all sorts of things. But we're not animals. We have minds and are capable of thinking about the consequences of our actions. I suppose one could make the argment that what the horse, or whatever, doesn't know doesn't hurt him. But by that logic, would you fuck an individual of diminished intellectual capacity?

 

[FurryFury]

Yes, animals hump all sorts of things. But we're not animals. We have minds and are capable of thinking about the consequences of our actions. I suppose one could make the argment that what the horse, or whatever, doesn't know doesn't hurt him. But by that logic, would you fuck an individual of diminished intellectual capacity?

I personally wouldn't unless perhaps it was a new development of my husbands? I would hope someone would though. I mean that in a nice way. Sex is one of the best things around as far as I'm concerned.

 

[BiBunny]

Yes, animals hump all sorts of things. But we're not animals. We have minds and are capable of thinking about the consequences of our actions. I suppose one could make the argment that what the horse, or whatever, doesn't know doesn't hurt him. But by that logic, would you fuck an individual of diminished intellectual capacity?

Perhaps. I think both people of diminished intellectual capacity and animals are a lot more intelligent than most people give them credit for. I don't believe people or animals or whatever need to be protected from themselves.

I'll go ahead and reiterate that I'm in no way condoning rape or anything of that nature before it gets brought up. But I'm a farm girl, and I've spent my whole life around real, working animals (not city kids' playtoys). I've also spent some time around those with developmental disabilities and/or learning difficulties. They all tend to have far more intellectual prowess and abilities to rationalize and make decisions than we tend to give them credit for having. I think it sort of sounds like a form of protectionism, and, therefore, a form of superiority.

The superiority part refers more to the learning disabled than animals, of course. I'm not interested in an animal rights debate. But you have to remember that it wasn't too terribly long ago that "enlightened" white people were saying that minorities weren't capable of making their own decisions, and "enlightened" men were saying the same thing about women. It's a slippery slope, for sure.

That being said, I still wouldn't fuck something that wasn't a homo sapien because it doesn't interest me, but I don't think those who do are disgusting and sick. *Shrug*

 

[EmpressFi]

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[Homburg]

To the vast majority it is deviant, sick and fucking wierd.

Ah, three of my favourite terms.

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A Just out of curiosity, would it be wrong for a human to have had sex with a neanderthal? It would have been beastiality.

I've read some articles that advanced the theory that this did indeed occur. Pretty interesting stuff.

And, honestly, when I stand next to some willowy skinny dude with elven features and weak bones and musculature, then look at my own thick limbs, large jaw, heavy brow, and hirsute hide, I can really get behind that idea.

Cavemen are people too.

 

[intothewoods]

Children are also smarter than aduls give them credit for. But hey, lots of people on these boards think fourteen year olds are fair game. Our brains aren't fully developed before the age of 21, but hey, small details.

I personally think it's okay to have boundaries, and it's okay to say something violates my ethical beliefs. I find it to be wrong. Just plain wrong. Not everything is oh well, who am I to judge? There are some things that completely offend me.

I'm not friends with people who fuck fourteen year olds or horses, unless they are fourteen, or a horse. And that sentence should go in the calendar.

 

[Homburg]

Children are also smarter than aduls give them credit for. But hey, lots of people on these boards think fourteen year olds are fair game. Our brains aren't fully developed before the age of 21, but hey, small details.

I personally think it's okay to have boundaries, and it's okay to say something violates my ethical beliefs. I find it to be wrong. Just plain wrong. Not everything is oh well, who am I to judge? There are some things that completely offend me.

I'm not friends with people who fuck fourteen year olds or horses, unless they are fourteen, or a horse. And that sentence should go in the calendar.

In some states, 14 is legal. And, honestly, I think you're being kind in saying that our brains are fully developed as early as 21.

I agree with you on it being okay to have ethics. You aren't forcing them on anyone by stating your ethical position either.

 

[FurryFury]

In some states, 14 is legal. And, honestly, I think you're being kind in saying that our brains are fully developed as early as 21.

I agree with you on it being okay to have ethics. You aren't forcing them on anyone by stating your ethical position either.

Really? 14?? Wow???

 

[intothewoods]

In some states, 14 is legal. And, honestly, I think you're being kind in saying that our brains are fully developed as early as 21.

I agree with you on it being okay to have ethics. You aren't forcing them on anyone by stating your ethical position either.

You'll appreciate this coming from me: legal and moral aren't always the same thing. Fuck, these days, it's not even often.

 

[Homburg]

Really? 14?? Wow???

The one I was thinking of has been modified so the loophole no longer exists.

Many states are set at 13 so long as the other party is within 3 years of the same age.

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You'll appreciate this coming from me: legal and moral aren't always the same thing. Fuck, these days, it's not even often.

Yes, I do appreciate that.

 

[BiBunny]

Children are also smarter than aduls give them credit for. But hey, lots of people on these boards think fourteen year olds are fair game. Our brains aren't fully developed before the age of 21, but hey, small details.

I personally think it's okay to have boundaries, and it's okay to say something violates my ethical beliefs. I find it to be wrong. Just plain wrong. Not everything is oh well, who am I to judge? There are some things that completely offend me.

I'm not friends with people who fuck fourteen year olds or horses, unless they are fourteen, or a horse. And that sentence should go in the calendar.

I'd also argue that the age of consent is nothing but an arbitrary number. I know people twice my age who still shouldn't be "consenting" to sex because they really aren't capable, but it's none of my business.

It's fine for something to offend YOU. If you don't like it, don't do it. Simple as that. There are things I don't do because I don't like them, too. Bestiality is one of those things, actually. I'm simply not interested in it.

What I find objectionable is the idea that there should be some kind of community standard as to what's "right" and what's "wrong," and that all of us are supposed to adhere to it. And while I'm not going to go do something illegal because I have no desire to be arrested (thanks, anyway, though), I don't think the issue of legality necessarily covers it, either. It's still illegal to sell sex toys in Alabama, for example. *Shrug*

I just think that idea of The Community passing judgment on what its members are "allowed" to do and not "allowed" to do and what is condoned and isn't condoned, based on what the majority of them think is "icky," is rather ironic and maybe a bit hypocritical. Go ask a roomful of vanillas if it's ok for a man to mark a woman with a brand and watch 'em tell you how sick it is.

I'm not going to continue this discussion anymore because I don't see how it can possibly end well.

 

[Betticus]

I don't know about this whole consent, ability to give consent thing.

Makes me want to start another whole topic on the subject.

 

[intothewoods]

I'd also argue that the age of consent is nothing but an arbitrary number. I know people twice my age who still shouldn't be "consenting" to sex because they really aren't capable, but it's none of my business.

It's fine for something to offend YOU. If you don't like it, don't do it. Simple as that. There are things I don't do because I don't like them, too. Bestiality is one of those things, actually. I'm simply not interested in it.

What I find objectionable is the idea that there should be some kind of community standard as to what's "right" and what's "wrong," and that all of us are supposed to adhere to it. And while I'm not going to go do something illegal because I have no desire to be arrested (thanks, anyway, though), I don't think the issue of legality necessarily covers it, either. It's still illegal to sell sex toys in Alabama, for example. *Shrug*

I just think that idea of The Community passing judgment on what its members are "allowed" to do and not "allowed" to do and what is condoned and isn't condoned, based on what the majority of them think is "icky," is rather ironic and maybe a bit hypocritical. Go ask a roomful of vanillas if it's ok for a man to mark a woman with a brand and watch 'em tell you how sick it is.

I'm not going to continue this discussion anymore because I don't see how it can possibly end well.

I didn't decide to identify as kinky, even join The Community, and give up my judgment, and sense of what is right and wrong.

It's one thing to make judgments without thinking them through. Many vanillas think bdsm is sick because they can't imagine someone wanting it. And some are idiots. And some just don't understand. And on and on. My point is that unlike those folks, I am not saying that it's wrong because it's socially taboo, or gross, or sick.

 

[00Syd]

What I find objectionable is the idea that there should be some kind of community standard as to what's "right" and what's "wrong," and that all of us are supposed to adhere to it. And while I'm not going to go do something illegal because I have no desire to be arrested (thanks, anyway, though), I don't think the issue of legality necessarily covers it, either. It's still illegal to sell sex toys in Alabama, for example. *Shrug*

I agree with this, and I don't think anyone is trying to create a standard of "right" and "wrong" for the community. The idea of write and wrong has to be decided individually. But, in my opinion there are some things (and I don't really want to get into what in particular, because thats a different conversation all together) that some people wont think is wrong that may be harmful to a community as a whole. And I'm not really talking about the BDSM community, though that applies, I'm talking about broader communities. I just think that there is a point where someone (the law, whatever) has to put their foot down and say, look, in this case we just can't indulge everyone.