'Man'imal- Where to draw the line?

[catalina_francisco]

Actually I am still wondering where this idea comes from that an animal needs some form of trickery and/or bribery to gain their interest and cooperation in performing bestial acts. From those I know who have had experiences with it, there was no encouragement of any kind from the human, not even a hint or touch, it was all instigated by the animal, and as the animal was very happy afterward they were far from reluctant to come back for more of the same whenever they could nor did they seem damaged emotionally or physically. Humans have a habit of conjuring up how they feel about particular things, and then transferring that feeling to others as if it is gospel, and adding embellishments to try and justify their claims. Bestiality has been around for thousands of years, even before peanut butter was invented.

Catalina

 

[IsabellaKing]

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[Netzach]

Actually I am still wondering where this idea comes from that an animal needs some form of trickery and/or bribery to gain their interest and cooperation in performing bestial acts. From those I know who have had experiences with it, there was no encouragement of any kind from the human, not even a hint or touch, it was all instigated by the animal, and as the animal was very happy afterward they were far from reluctant to come back for more of the same whenever they could nor did they seem damaged emotionally or physically. Humans have a habit of conjuring up how they feel about particular things, and then transferring that feeling to others as if it is gospel, and adding embellishments to try and justify their claims. Bestiality has been around for thousands of years, even before peanut butter was invented.

Catalina

I'm not a dog lover but I dated a woman who was, once. Curiosity killed the cat as it were, and she was dog sitting. It's probably better I found this out after we hooked up, as I find it more darwinian than disgusting.

Yes it took some insitgation she said, and yes, the dog became aggressive and weird and she had to sleep with an eye open after that. Cognitive ability indeed - she basically told the dog he was her alpha and he could fuck her up as well as fuck her if he wanted, and it only took a short while.

Awesome idea. I hope whoever thinks this is cool can bankroll it when your dog kills a kid who won't give it up.

Whatever people want to do is fine by me, the problem is that they do it without forethought most of the time. It's not that there's a right way and a wrong way, it's that there's a smart way and a stupid way.

 

[Homburg]

Bestiality has been around for thousands of years, even before peanut butter was invented.

Catalina

Peanut butter - making beastiality easier since 1890.

 

[Marquis]

I'm not a dog lover but I dated a woman who was, once. Curiosity killed the cat as it were, and she was dog sitting. It's probably better I found this out after we hooked up, as I find it more darwinian than disgusting.

Yes it took some insitgation she said, and yes, the dog became aggressive and weird and she had to sleep with an eye open after that. Cognitive ability indeed - she basically told the dog he was her alpha and he could fuck her up as well as fuck her if he wanted, and it only took a short while.

Awesome idea. I hope whoever thinks this is cool can bankroll it when your dog kills a kid who won't give it up.

Whatever people want to do is fine by me, the problem is that they do it without forethought most of the time. It's not that there's a right way and a wrong way, it's that there's a smart way and a stupid way.

I managed to get through this whole thread without getting turned on until the last post.

Goddamn you Netzach!

 

[catalina_francisco]

I'm not a dog lover but I dated a woman who was, once. Curiosity killed the cat as it were, and she was dog sitting. It's probably better I found this out after we hooked up, as I find it more darwinian than disgusting.

Yes it took some insitgation she said, and yes, the dog became aggressive and weird and she had to sleep with an eye open after that. Cognitive ability indeed - she basically told the dog he was her alpha and he could fuck her up as well as fuck her if he wanted, and it only took a short while.

Awesome idea. I hope whoever thinks this is cool can bankroll it when your dog kills a kid who won't give it up.

Whatever people want to do is fine by me, the problem is that they do it without forethought most of the time. It's not that there's a right way and a wrong way, it's that there's a smart way and a stupid way.

I think it is like humans, each animal is their own being with their own ideas. We used to have a dog who for some reason took a liking to my son's friend. The dog had never bothered anyone, but whenever my son's friend came to visit, the dog was immediately trying to hump his leg, foot, anything so it got to the point we just used to place him outside so he wasn't creating embarrassment. I'm not sure a dog is going to kill a child though because they won't have sex with them...they don't kill other digs for the same reason, so I just can't see it where a child is concerned unless the dog has serious behavioural problems without any inclusion of sexual interest to begin with. Who knows. That being said I do not believe in allowing dogs to roam the streets or be with a child unsupervised anyway simply because it is a situation which can and does end in tragic outcomes, even when the dog is a trusted family pet known to the child. And yes, there are always smart ways to do everything.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Peanut butter - making beastiality easier since 1890.

LOL, this is of course if peanut better appeals to the animal in question, and the animal is lacking in a little self motivation toward its human friends.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

I think it is like humans, each animal is their own being with their own ideas. We used to have a dog who for some reason took a liking to my son's friend. The dog had never bothered anyone, but whenever my son's friend came to visit, the dog was immediately trying to hump his leg, foot, anything so it got to the point we just used to place him outside so he wasn't creating embarrassment. I'm not sure a dog is going to kill a child though because they won't have sex with them...they don't kill other digs for the same reason, so I just can't see it where a child is concerned unless the dog has serious behavioural problems without any inclusion of sexual interest to begin with. Who knows. That being said I do not believe in allowing dogs to roam the streets or be with a child unsupervised anyway simply because it is a situation which can and does end in tragic outcomes, even when the dog is a trusted family pet known to the child. And yes, there are always smart ways to do everything.

Catalina

Let's pretend your son's friend was a hot babe who was willing to screw your pooch, or someone you liked to play games with who was into being "raped" by it, even better. Not someone you *discourage* the dog from humping, quite the opposite. Positive reinforcement!

Then next week your best friend comes over, who maybe smells a little like your new gf.

You don't think maybe the dog's behavior might be aggressive and uncontrollable? I mean I'm no dog whisperer, but this isn't major science...

 

[Marquis]

I think that if I had a fine purebred hound or something, I would occasionally arrange for it to fuck a human female, to keep it fierce.

This is why I don't have dogs.

 

[Netzach]

The problem as I see it is that this is SO taboo that no one is even thinking about ways to minimize risk doing it. So you'll have all kinds of injuries, disease, and accidents with people doing it the stupid way.

 

[Netzach]

I think that if I had a fine purebred hound or something, I would occasionally arrange for it to fuck a human female, to keep it fierce.

This is why I don't have dogs.

Like the beagle who won at the Garden?

 

[Marquis]

The problem as I see it is that this is SO taboo that no one is even thinking about ways to minimize risk doing it. So you'll have all kinds of injuries, disease, and accidents with people doing it the stupid way.

Bestial abstinence is the only way, Netz.

Like the beagle who won at the Garden?

Not catching the reference.

Snoopy was a beagle right?

I imagine myself more with a bloodhound, coming in after a fox hunt, tracking mud from my riding boots onto the floor that the young Asian maid is currently scrubbing. I run in with the enthusiasm of a little boy to shove the bleeding carcass of the biggest fox I'd ever killed into her face as my hound starts climbing over the couch behind her. She is too distraught to share my enthusiasm, and my mood sours. I proceed to invite my faithful canine to have his way with the impudent, ungrateful wench.

 

[ownedsubgal]

..a lifestyle friend of Daddy's recently gave us a huge heapa stuff from his porn collection, most of it beastiality. some of it's the same ol' same ol'...chick sucking doggie cock, donkey cum on chick's boob's, etc...but some was pretty interesting, like one where this woman is screwed by a totally unrestrained/unharnessed horse (usually they're trussed up to the point of immobile), and somehow takes him completely inside her pussy. she senses when he's about to cum and jumps out of the way, kneels facing his cock while it shoots like a supersoaker and manages to take a good deal of it in her mouth. good stuff.

beastiality used to be fantasy of mine, but gradually over time it just ceased to be very exciting to me. i mean yeah it's still taboo, but to be honest most of the time the animal seems half-interested at best. now if a big doberman or something could become crazed with lust and attack and mount a woman and take her forcefully and painfully in the bum like a jackhammer, that could be interesting. but frankly non-human animals don't seem to get that enthused about sex even with members of their own species.

the only possible scenario where i still have some stirrings of "hm that could be nice" regarding beastiality would be in a scenario of public humiliation and degradation. Master invites his friend and members of the general public to watch his slaveb*tch suck and fuck a dog, a mule, a horse. everyone watches in amusement and disgust. slave can never hold her head up again.

 

[catalina_francisco]

This thread has reminded me of a piece of research I was reading a few months back which dealt with zoophiles and zoophilia. (Thought I had saved it, but obviously not) Anyway, it pointed out that though those into bestiality may not give though to the harm or injury they could do to an animal, zoophiles were quite the opposite in that they were careful to not harm their animal partner, and would go out of their way to ensure that. It also said that many zoophiles tendto fall in the upper range of intelligence and suggests they also possess above average empathy than non-zoophiles. Interestingly they also they have a lower level of psychopathy, and a higher level of sensation seeking in physical contact. They also often have a strong involvement in animal protection. As people they rate an above average level of social individualism, which can be empowering (e.g., independence of thought) or inhibitive (bashfulness, quiet) . It was an interesting read so if I track it down I will post it here.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/83/237916341_e99e1055a2_s.jpg Catalina

 

[00Syd]

Much of this thread regarding age of consent and animal sex assumes that there's something inherently damaging about the act of sex itself that can scar and damage a person or animal. How utterly ludicrous.

Animals are fucking disgusting. Do you really believe that the same dog who willingly eats his own shit and vomit and masturbates on the carpet while you're watching Jeopardy! will be emotionally damaged by the opportunity to have sex with a human? Good lord people. We're transferring our own human taboos and revulsions onto an animal who is incapable of revulsion or taboo.

I mean honestly, do you really believe that, in the context of sex with a human, an animal is thinking "Oh my goodness, here comes that guy again. I have to do what he says, but oh this is terrible! It's so wrong because he's a human and I'm a sheep! I'm powerless to stop it! I feel so dirty! Oh so very dirty and humiliated! I'll never be the same again! My mother will know it as soon as she sees me! How will I be able to face her after his? I can hear all the other sheep muttering under their breath....'human fucker!' Oh I just want to die!"

I grant you the sheep may be unwilling, but if that's the case I suspect her thoughts are more like, "Hey. Quit it." To an animal, sex is just sex and maybe an opportunity to rise in the social hierarchy. WE are the ones who are fucked up about it.

And as for the age of consent, think about this: Who's better off, a 16 year old who runs off with a 21 year old and they have babies and build a life together...or a 35 year old woman who keeps falling for bad-boy types who use her and kick her to the curb? The 16/21 year old example isn't common now, true. Odds are the 21 year old would be arrested and thrown in jail for felony statutory rape. But it was pretty much the norm up until about 80 years ago. Are we so much smarter now, or just different?

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J

I agree with everything here so much. SO MUCH. Thats sort of what I was getting at when I was talking about transferring human concepts onto an animal. You say it so much clearer! Agreed to no end.

 

[Marquis]

Yes, there definitely seems to be a domestic animal fetish. I think it stems from this idea that they are generally seen as chattel, but could be superior to a particularly lowly human.

 

[Netzach]

Bestial abstinence is the only way, Netz.



Not catching the reference.

Snoopy was a beagle right?

I imagine myself more with a bloodhound, coming in after a fox hunt, tracking mud from my riding boots onto the floor that the young Asian maid is currently scrubbing. I run in with the enthusiasm of a little boy to shove the bleeding carcass of the biggest fox I'd ever killed into her face as my hound starts climbing over the couch behind her. She is too distraught to share my enthusiasm, and my mood sours. I proceed to invite my faithful canine to have his way with the impudent, ungrateful wench.

The winner of the Westminster this year was a beagle. I was detracting from the majesty of your imaginings, they're pretty anti-sexy as dogs go.

 

[catalina_francisco]

..but to be honest most of the time the animal seems half-interested at best

LOL, that's because they are chock full of peanut butter and all they want to do it sleep off their full and aching stomach!!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1179/554071799_ffda7e513b_s.jpg Catalina

 

[Netzach]

LOL, that's because they are chock full of peanut butter and all they want to do it sleep off their full and aching stomach!!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1179/554071799_ffda7e513b_s.jpg Catalina

Dogs fucking dogs, and I'm assuming without digestive encouragement, always looked kind of funny and bewildered.

I've often fantasized about making two humans who are kind of new to each other and prudish and normally socialized fuck, just to get that kind of a look. Pop the guy a viagra.

 

[Marquis]

The winner of the Westminster this year was a beagle. I was detracting from the majesty of your imaginings, they're pretty anti-sexy as dogs go.

Ah, so you do have an opinion of dog-sexy then?

 

[Marquis]

Dogs fucking dogs, and I'm assuming without digestive encouragement, always looked kind of funny and bewildered.

I've often fantasized about making two humans who are kind of new to each other and prudish and normally socialized fuck, just to get that kind of a look. Pop the guy a viagra.

YES!

ME TOO!!!

I'm always trying to get people to fuck. I'm a great wingman, honestly.

 

[IsabellaKing]

Pure fantasy here but wouldn't you harbour just a tiny bit of fear if you fell pregnant shortly after being fucked by the family pet?

 

[Netzach]

Ah, so you do have an opinion of dog-sexy then?

Absolutely. Not so much that I'll die unhappy about lack of follow through, but...a dog that made me think "you know, IF I was going to fuck a dog...."

there was this blue Great Dane in a local establishment. The ultimate store dog, completely mellow, extremely intimidating, silent. The thing was huge, stood up to my hip at mid-back. And he would just walk up to people and stare -through- you. As if to say "inside me is trapped a man's spirit, and the man stuck in this dog is soulful, intelligent and very very fucking hot."

He'd stare *through* you, almost as if to say "pet me if it makes you feel superior, go on, I'll just stand here. No? Thanks, I appreciate your preservation of my dignity."

And he wasn't snippped. Huge fucking dog balls. Made me kind of uncomfortable, he did.

 

[Netzach]

Ha, I just remembered something from art class.

Before becoming a total hack sellout, William Wegman made experimental films with his Weimariners - another breed I find dog-sexy, anyhow...

some of these were even shown on SNL in the seventies, they were VERY funny - this one was not shown and was about advertising.

He had Man Ray on his lap. He's talking the whole time like a car salesman, while he's wanking Man Ray's dick, pulling his gums, his ears, prodding.

 

[Marquis]

Absolutely. Not so much that I'll die unhappy about lack of follow through, but...a dog that made me think "you know, IF I was going to fuck a dog...."

there was this blue Great Dane in a local establishment. The ultimate store dog, completely mellow, extremely intimidating, silent. The thing was huge, stood up to my hip at mid-back. And he would just walk up to people and stare -through- you. As if to say "inside me is trapped a man's spirit, and the man stuck in this dog is soulful, intelligent and very very fucking hot."

He'd stare *through* you, almost as if to say "pet me if it makes you feel superior, go on, I'll just stand here. No? Thanks, I appreciate your preservation of my dignity."

And he wasn't snippped. Huge fucking dog balls. Made me kind of uncomfortable, he did.

Ha ha, this would be a good vignette in an indy movie.

There should be dream sequences where he's like smoking a cigarette and passing you a martini, you wake up with a perturbed look on your face and shake it off.

All things are possible with subtlety, I find.