ok you male subs

[Aeroil]

I've seen that too. It seems to be an on line phenomena; but if you check out the "I seek like minded people" thread you'll see several examples of clueless DomWannabe's shotgunning the emails out there. It's not really related to what side of the power flow the clueless guy wants to be on but it does appear to be a guy thing. Doesn't it just make us all so darn proud?

I had that exact thread in mind when I posted that, actually.

 

[bronntanas]

I thought so.

 

[Xelebes]

Like Alt, I don't see it making me stronger than before I acted on my desires to serve. But, it does make me more comfortable in my own skin, giving me a curious mixture of confidence in who I am and a serenity that seems to result in from that. A Domme I know tells me She finds me to be a particularly restful sub. The lack of a power struggle between Herself and me, and the absence of the internal power struggle within myself between what society wants and what I want is mostly non-existent.

I believe that is what I mean vy stronger. Strength is not always brawn but rather comfort and the knowing of one's body and mind.

 

[mslv4Her]

This is quite an exciting thread for me, Ms Shadowsdream. As a male sub with mostly online but some realtime experience, i've found it hard to find my real niche. There is definitely a lot of us out there, though, as evidenced by the references to so many using 'shotgun' approach. i've been guilty of that myself and have more recently tried harder to connect individually rather than just throw out feelers.

Thank You for starting this thread. It is most informative.

 

[schmerzgarten]

I believe that is what I mean vy stronger. Strength is not always brawn but rather comfort and the knowing of one's body and mind.

First off, thanks to Shadowsdream for a great thread, and secondly thanks to those who have posted for their insights and opinions. I have a couple of ramblings, if you will, that I'd like to float regarding male submission, both hopefully humorous.

I thought "ya'll" might enjoy the following remembrance regarding strength and male submissiveness. I studied abroad in Germany for a year, during which I continued my martial arts training in TKD at a local school, one that had been known for producing winning teams. One night after a brutal practice, a very slight Turkish woman came up and began chatting with us, very friendly. I being who I am, took particular notice of her knee high spiked lacey boots. *skip forward a few days*

That night, we were to practice full-contact sparing. So, I'm standing there, at the time 5' 11'' and 185 solid, having trained for about 5 years, confronted by the same gorgeous Turk woman at 5' 1'' and at best maybe 100 lbs. However, a nicely tied black belt with two red strips gave me to know I was in for a lesson on how much strength and size does not matter. Suffice to say, that very sweet woman kicked my ass on every level, up and down the dojo, for about 15 minutes. I remember tagging her once in the head with a round-house kick, for which I instantly felt bad, and then I was on my back remembering her boots. As an aside, turns out she was married to the owner of the dojo, so I kept my infatuation to myself.

Rambling on to my segue, I mention the above because it taught me personally a lot about submission. I had the rare opportunity, as a male, to be confronted by a woman who was physically dominant over me. Yet, it was not her physical ability nor lack of my own that made me feel submissive toward her - nor was it her boots you fetishists. *L* Rather, I learned that her personality simply exuded dominance. As I grew to know her, I learned, alluding to Netzach's "kitty" example, she would have never needed to dominate me physically, I would have curled at her feet, offering myself up totally, irregardless. Given the opportunity, I'm quite sure I would have taken 20 trains across Europe to find that woman a cookie. *L* That epiphany of sorts gave me to know that I felt submissive to people of that personality type, be it female or male.

Another example comes from a friend of mine who recently left the marine corps. Two of his best male friends were a couple, even though he was straight. Apparently, the local Brooklyn boys thought it would be fun to taunt the "faggots" living in the townhouse. The "submissive" one took exception. You can see where this is going. According to my friend, the altercation ended with the "submissive" asking the Brooklyn boys how it felt to "have their asses kicked by a submissive faggot." It's a true story and it is one of my favorites.

So, in summary, based upon my own life experiences and those I've come to know, it would seem physical presence has no relationship to one's desire to be submissive to another.


Hope the above gave someone a chuckle and maybe was useful somehow.

 

[SweetDommes]

Unfortunately, this is the first time I have seen this thread (this is what I get for hanging out at collarme so much ...) and I don't have time to read it all right now. I would just subscribe to it without replying, but I can't figure out how to with the new format.

So basically, this is my pointless post to get subscribed to the thread so that I can read it more thoroughly and reply meaningfully later when I don't have to leave for work in 10 min ...

 

[schmerzgarten]

SweetDommes - Select Thread Tools and the 3rd menu item to subscribe to the thread.

cheers, sw

 

[Aeroil]

First off, thanks to Shadowsdream for a great thread,

hehehe, I am starting to think that congratulating Shadowsdream for creating a great thread is almost something that can be said unspoken.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Hello to all who have added their voices since I have been off doing real world Domination and preparing for an upcoming workshop on CBT.

I truly am enjoying this thread and those who are joining in a conversation that does not get enough attention.

Ok boys....I am back...and looking for more info about you all! ~~grin~~ now I would be interested in discussing what it is that you enjoy doing for a Woman that increases your feeling of contentment in submission.

Example...one of My American submissives finds not only a personal satisfaction but a gauge to how his day will go when he serves Me My first morning coffee from his knees. My satisfaction in his presentation and the perfection of the beverage as in temperature and taste calm him. When I smile and send him to get his own I actually see the way his body relaxes and know that he will be happy and proud when he once again drops to his knees at My feet to share this moment. I know that his mind is on Me and not the play or humiliation he will be hoping to experience through out the day.

 

[Aeroil]

*sighs* well unfourtunately I've tried to find an answer to your question Shadowsdream but I haven't been able to find a decent one. If I think of something later I'll post it.

 

[ghosst_K&H]

Karen, Holly and I ended up leaving two local groups because of the lack of respect they showed FemDommes and male subs, which was sad, because the one group was a lot of fun.

Theres nothing like being told "I don't believe in male submissives", by a Dom whom I could clearly break over my knee, and who i saw couldn't even Dominate his live in submissive (She left him for her ex boyfriend)

The second group was kind of a spin off of the first, with 1/4 of us leaving the original group. Unfortunately, we ran into the "Gorean way is the ONLY way", mentality, and the leader made the mistake of saying "Miss Holly needed to control her boy better", because I responded to comment he made about me being a slave. Miss Holly took offense that he had the nerve to tell her that she should chastise me for my comment, when neither she or Karen found what I said inappropriate. He also held the belief that Holly wasn't really a Domme, because she and Karen switched before they had me.


As for what I get out of our relationship? Thats hard to say, i've always been attracted to strong daring femme fatale type women, and love surrendering myself to a woman who is strong enough to ask for my submission.

I take pure joy out of cooking for my Dommes's as i'm sure they will tell you, and i cook very well i might add And knowing the things i cook for them is making them healthier, it's also making all three of us happier, and able to spend more time playing


P.S. We have decided it's time i made a career change, and as of sunday i'll be home every night, and able to take care of my Dommes's much better.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Karen, Holly and I ended up leaving two local groups because of the lack of respect they showed FemDommes and male subs, which was sad, because the one group was a lot of fun.

Theres nothing like being told "I don't believe in male submissives", by a Dom whom I could clearly break over my knee, and who i saw couldn't even Dominate his live in submissive (She left him for her ex boyfriend)

The second group was kind of a spin off of the first, with 1/4 of us leaving the original group. Unfortunately, we ran into the "Gorean way is the ONLY way", mentality, and the leader made the mistake of saying "Miss Holly needed to control her boy better", because I responded to comment he made about me being a slave. Miss Holly took offense that he had the nerve to tell her that she should chastise me for my comment, when neither she or Karen found what I said inappropriate. He also held the belief that Holly wasn't really a Domme, because she and Karen switched before they had me.


As for what I get out of our relationship? Thats hard to say, i've always been attracted to strong daring femme fatale type women, and love surrendering myself to a woman who is strong enough to ask for my submission.

I take pure joy out of cooking for my Dommes's as i'm sure they will tell you, and i cook very well i might add And knowing the things i cook for them is making them healthier, it's also making all three of us happier, and able to spend more time playing


P.S. We have decided it's time i made a career change, and as of sunday i'll be home every night, and able to take care of my Dommes's much better.

~~smile~~ thank you for joining the conversation and congratulations on making the career change. your Mistress's will be delighted to have you underfoot (so to say) on a more regular basis I am sure.

Cooking is one of the skills that many Mistress's appreciate when the cooking is something that the sub enjoys and puts his heart into. When you also take into consideration what not only tastes good but is good for Us it shows an extra depth of care...unless of course it is liver...that is just bloody cruelty!

I am fortunate that I have not found any clubs that discriminate against Mistress's and would be the first to smile condenscendingly (word?) at any who tried to pull that attitude off in My presence. I hope that you all find a really good club that you enjoy and feel comfortable at...I know that I have found them and munches to be invaluable in making new friends when I moved back to Canada from Stockholm.

 

[Shadowsdream]

*sighs* well unfourtunately I've tried to find an answer to your question Shadowsdream but I haven't been able to find a decent one. If I think of something later I'll post it.

Aeroil you might like to think about what could give a Mistress pleasure and then think about your capabilities in supplying that pleasure...such as foot massages...bathing Her as She wishes to be bathed. Ironing Her clothes so that She looks wonderful when She goes out. Painting Her nails...and many other personal services. ~~smile~~

 

[AAkasha]

Aeroil you might like to think about what could give a Mistress pleasure and then think about your capabilities in supplying that pleasure...such as foot massages...bathing Her as She wishes to be bathed. Ironing Her clothes so that She looks wonderful when She goes out. Painting Her nails...and many other personal services. ~~smile~~

There are things other than service submission and body worship. A man who allows himself to be bound, gagged and teased/tormented for the pleasure and lust of his lady -- even if he is terrified -- is a wonderful thing.

Akasha

 

[Shadowsdream]

There are things other than service submission and body worship. A man who allows himself to be bound, gagged and teased/tormented for the pleasure and lust of his lady -- even if he is terrified -- is a wonderful thing.

Akasha

Hello Akasha and thank You for participating in this conversation.

Surrender is a beautiful thing.

 

[Aeroil]

Aeroil you might like to think about what could give a Mistress pleasure and then think about your capabilities in supplying that pleasure...such as foot massages...bathing Her as She wishes to be bathed. Ironing Her clothes so that She looks wonderful when She goes out. Painting Her nails...and many other personal services. ~~smile~~

Hehehe, had I a domme who wished those things I would be all too delighted to do them, for sure.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Hehehe, had I a domme who wished those things I would be all too delighted to do them, for sure.

Good boy! You see how easy that was ~~smile~~

Are you enjoying this journey into submission you have begun Aeroil?

 

[Shadowsdream]

My favorite Artist happens to be about my Mom's age, and know's her personally, so I grew up meeting her several times, and each time she called me by name.

More rescently I visited her gallery and she didn't recognize me at first, but DAMN can she sell. I quickly realized that not only did she have a dominant personality, but she was also Very good at stroking one's ego when looking at something together. She'd tell you about how she accompished some artistic feat, or goal, with various pictures... like she was confiding with you... She really made you feel important.

Now.. I did have the print matted my own way (suede on suede; against her advice)... but none the less... I walked out of there with a $100 print, that I hadn't originally intended to buy. (She made matting the picture soo fun)

And, in spite of her being soo much older than me.. I had sort of a similar moment, when I realized that I wouldn't mind at all curling up at her feet. I even considered applying for a job at her gallery.

Welcome to the conversation Stag of Oberon and thank you for sharing this memory. I have oftened wondered if there is any truth to what I seem to see the most of...male submissives becoming interested in submitting in non play ways earlier than females do. It is the generally the talk I hear around the table when discussing what first plants the idea of dropping onto ones knees in ones head.

Do you have any thoughts on this...anyone else...fem subs?

 

[Aeroil]

Good boy! You see how easy that was ~~smile~~

Are you enjoying this journey into submission you have begun Aeroil?

Hmm, enjoying it so far? I guess, It's only just begun, really. I think sometimes it's brought me more frustration than it hasn't, but I don't regret it, if it's not hard it's not worth getting, as is said.

 

[Netzach]

I find the whole service submission thing is greatly enhanced by paying attention to your Domme and what she's about, what her personal routines are. I'm much more entertained by someone who dumps the thread-ends off my tray of beadwork than someone who rubs my shoulders or paints my nails, and that's very specific to me.

 

[serijules]

I find the whole service submission thing is greatly enhanced by paying attention to your Domme and what she's about, what her personal routines are. I'm much more entertained by someone who dumps the thread-ends off my tray of beadwork than someone who rubs my shoulders or paints my nails, and that's very specific to me.

I love the moments when I discover, on my own, ways in which I can serve D that are not traditional service things. I can tell by the smile on her face when I do them that she is very pleased. It pays to pay attention.

 

[bronntanas]

Ok boys....I am back...and looking for more info about you all! ~~grin~~ now I would be interested in discussing what it is that you enjoy doing for a Woman that increases your feeling of contentment in submission.

Example...one of My American submissives finds not only a personal satisfaction but a gauge to how his day will go when he serves Me My first morning coffee from his knees. My satisfaction in his presentation and the perfection of the beverage as in temperature and taste calm him. When I smile and send him to get his own I actually see the way his body relaxes and know that he will be happy and proud when he once again drops to his knees at My feet to share this moment. I know that his mind is on Me and not the play or humiliation he will be hoping to experience through out the day.

I guess I'm kinda like him then...

One of the ladies I serve, Lady M is a barrister. (That's a type of lawyer, for those that didn't know. Traditionally, solicitors are lawyers who handle more mundane stuff like paperwork; lots of wills and contracts and stuff. They're starting to act more like barristers now. Barristers tend to be specialists in some point of Law {Lady M is a criminalist.} and traditionally appeared in the higher courts as specialists or criminalists. There are a few regulatory differences too.). When she gets busy, her other regular submissive and I arrange to take turns going by Her house and feeding Her, washing the dishes, making sure the laundry gets done, doing the shopping for Her. When She's not quite so busy, I'm still around fairly frequently. I do her yard work and her Christmas lights every year. Also, she's an opera volunteer with our smaller local company (which I'm not so big on, but I enjoy when I get to escort her to opera functions!). A lot of times She'll tell me to drop by their office and volunteer a few hours.

The other Lady I serve every now and again is a teacher. I do a lot of the same sort of stuff for her during busy parts of the semester, but I also grade math's tests and papers, balance Her chequebook, stuff like that. Lady T is more laid back and less formal, so I find myself doing other stuff for her. Except when She's busy, She doesn't want the domestic side of service as much as Lady M. My overtures towards her tend to be more romantic or something like that. She collects penguin-abilia. So I keep an eye for penguin stuff. I found this really neat mug that had a baby penguin on it, who was sitting on a polar bear (probably photo shopped!) but it had the legend "sometimes you get the bear.." It became a private joke between us, as I'm not really bearlike but, She is quite petite compared to me. She says that it means more to Her that I do this sort of thing on my "off" times, because it shows a level of service that's always there. She did let me move in for a week after She'd been in a car accident to care for Her. I learned a lot about personal service that week! Things like, how to give a poor battered Domme a bath without hurting her more or getting her cast wet. And how to braid Someone else's hair neatly. I can braid my own, but it's a different technique when you're doing another's hair. (I put mine in a braid and drop it down my shirt when I'm playing rugby; it's too tempting use it for a take down. Not something I want mid-scrum! When one of the Ladies does it, well, that's a whole 'nother thing! )

 

[Xelebes]

...unless of course it is liver...that is just bloody cruelty!

There is a proper way of cooking liver and making it tasting delicious, just the step that everyone skips is what makes it tast ebad. You're supposed to marinate the liver in a sauce before cooking it and supposed to be left marinating for quite a while. At least that's how I understand how the liver is supposed to be cooked.

 

[jasonlf]

I don't mean to interject, but it seems most things in this thread apply both to male and female subs.

I'm just wondering what makes these acts special as far as malesub/femsub is concerned?

 

[Aeroil]

There are dozens of threads where femsubs can talk about this, Jason, this is a protected enviornment of sorts I guess. Usually we get flooded out of any thread we enter, we're more than a little outnumbered you know.
edit: also male subs get a different reaction from society than female subs do, that's a topic of discussion here.