SAMMY Subs

[Ebonyfire]

Personally, I'm not having it....you want to submit, fine; you want to be 'punished' just ask for it...do NOT provoke me into anything, or I'll sent you packing. Life is too short, and my time is to precious, to be wasted on games.

I am right with ya, let the church say amen!

 

[Ebonyfire]

Begone Sammys

There are more male submissives than there are active Dommes to serve.

So why would I put up with a smart ass for one second, when there are 20 subs standing behind him who do know how to serve and are begging for the chance to try?

Do the math.

 

[zipman]

I have never had nor have any desire to ever dominate a "Sammy Sub." I want obedience, and if a sub acts "sammmy" with me, she will not get what she wants, but a punishment much worse.

I can understand how others might enjoy the playfullness of it, but it is not for me.

 

[Richard49]

I am right with ya, let the church say amen!

Amen !!!!!

Now shall we pass the basket ?

 

[His Flower]

I do not see how it would ever be beneficial to engineer a Punishment. His disappointment in having to Punish me would far out weigh any satisfaction I would receive from it.

subtledecadence

I think I'm totally agreeing with you over here. It's fun to tease and taunt, and there are god knows many times, I act like a brat to see if I get away with it. But most of time, you see it in his eyes when it's time to stop. Punishment for me was never really physically unbearable or painful...but i just don't like simply because I know that I did something wrong to disappoint him and he's upset at me for it.

~ His Flower ~

 

[lark sparrow]

I can definitely be a smart butt, but not with the intention of receiving punishment. If it inspires Mistress to smile, laugh or join in the game and show me how it's done, it's good. If She's not laughing, then I've crossed the line, and feeling like a pushy jerk who can't grasp the obvious boundaries is the biggest punishment lol. Respecting the line is expected but She knows it's part of my sense of humor and if She's not in the mood She can take me down easily to either a regretful, toned down and respectful place, or simply melt me down to into that sweet girl without the bravado

 

[rick_j21]

I want to throw myself in on this topic. Someone please explain to me what is meant by the term Sammy. I know that it is a submissive masochist who is a smart ass. What I mean by wanting an explanation is does it make someone a sammy if they have the tendency to joke around and be a smart ass at times or does it mean someone who jokes around and is a smart ass all the time. As a submissive I find great pleasure in making my Domme happy and I tend to be a bit of a smart ass but she has really done a lot to teach me when is and when isn't the right time. Not that it takes a rocket scientist to know that when someone is holding a flogger you ought not to be an ass. Anyways, I think there are definately some people who can be funny when appropriate and learn to not be an ass when the time is inapropriate.

 

[lark sparrow]

I want to throw myself in on this topic. Someone please explain to me what is meant by the term Sammy. I know that it is a submissive masochist who is a smart ass. What I mean by wanting an explanation is does it make someone a sammy if they have the tendency to joke around and be a smart ass at times or does it mean someone who jokes around and is a smart ass all the time. As a submissive I find great pleasure in making my Domme happy and I tend to be a bit of a smart ass but she has really done a lot to teach me when is and when isn't the right time. Not that it takes a rocket scientist to know that when someone is holding a flogger you ought not to be an ass. Anyways, I think there are definately some people who can be funny when appropriate and learn to not be an ass when the time is inapropriate.

I think it was meant for those who get sammy as a way to directly receive punishment, correction and otherwise gain the Dominant's attention through known negative antics, because the SAM enjoys, expects and goads punishment, especially physical SM. But I guess it's also sometimes used in being a submissive and not, in what is generally thought to be, properly and respectfully submissive in general terms and tones(?).

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Kerbump

what is meant by the term Sammy. I know that it is a submissive masochist who is a smart ass.

Not quite. You've cut out the Smart Assed Masochist who doesn't submit, or fakes submission yet tops from the bottom to get what they want. i find no problem with the former as long as they admit that kink up front. i ignore the latter.

What I mean by wanting an explanation is does it make someone a sammy if they have the tendency to joke around and be a smart ass at times or does it mean someone who jokes around and is a smart ass all the time.

No, that's simple humor and/or a personality trait. The right PYL knows how to get out the crucifixion nails, but i'm not apologizing for the wording manipulate that trait.

 

[A Desert Rose]

There you go again with that former and latter stuff... LOL

But, thank you for this. It's right what I was hoping for in a bump.

Now, to go read it...

 

[TySlut26]

Uh oh... from reading all of these posts it seems like the worst thing in the eyes of a Dom/me is a sub that like to provoke. Crap. I love provoking. I always have. Sometimes I do get a lot more punishment than I had in mind (you know those little black clips that you use to hold a lot of paper together? yeah... they fucking hurt), and it'll keep me quiet for a bit, but then I'll just do it again. I have a feeling my Dom is getting fed up... so I should probably work on that. (Thanks, Desert Rose)

 

[A Desert Rose]

Uh oh... from reading all of these posts it seems like the worst thing in the eyes of a Dom/me is a sub that like to provoke. Crap. I love provoking. I always have. Sometimes I do get a lot more punishment than I had in mind (you know those little black clips that you use to hold a lot of paper together? yeah... they fucking hurt), and it'll keep me quiet for a bit, but then I'll just do it again. I have a feeling my Dom is getting fed up... so I should probably work on that. (Thanks, Desert Rose)

None of us are cut from the same mold, doll. Some Dom/me's love a little teasing... some do not.

But as a side note: Provoking is topping from the bottom and MOST Dom/me's tire of that real fast. ;-D

 

[Betticus]

I love the spunky little girls. Smart assed, bratty little teases. Bring em' on!

 

[dolf]

I love the spunky little girls. Smart assed, bratty little teases. Bring em' on!

they would never have guessed

 

[Betticus]

None of us are cut from the same mold, doll. Some Dom/me's love a little teasing... some do not.

But as a side note: Provoking is topping from the bottom and MOST Dom/me's tire of that real fast. ;-D

Oh no, it is like playing a very challenging game of chess. The mental moves being exercised way in advance, the calculating of probabilities. Being ready for every move and able to twist and bend it to my advantage. I love being able to get inside a sub's mind when they have some life to them. I don't want to beat out that cattiness, I love it. I want a challenge and if she happens to win once in a while and tops me it's even better. I'll try harder, smarter and more evil next time. We both have an absolute blast that way.

Of course that is just me. I can always just tell her when it's enough and to take a break for a few days. The communication is extremely important and she has to understand that sometimes I need to recharge my dom batteries.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Oh no, it is like playing a very challenging game of chess. The mental moves being exercised way in advance, the calculating of probabilities. Being ready for every move and able to twist and bend it to my advantage. I love being able to get inside a sub's mind when they have some life to them. I don't want to beat out that cattiness, I love it. I want a challenge and if she happens to win once in a while and tops me it's even better. I'll try harder, smarter and more evil next time. We both have an absolute blast that way.

Of course that is just me. I can always just tell her when it's enough and to take a break for a few days. The communication is extremely important and she has to understand that sometimes I need to recharge my dom batteries.

You and I will then agree to respectfully disagree.

 

[dolf]

i think the difference is respect. i'm bratty but if i was told to quit, that i was going to far, i'd stop.

 

[TySlut26]

Betticus, you and my Dom have that in common. The mind games can be exhausting though.

 

[Betticus]

You and I will then agree to respectfully disagree.

I didn't mean to imply any kind of respect. I apologize for that oversight.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I didn't mean to imply any kind of respect. I apologize for that oversight.

Oh, you certainly didn't imply any kind of respect. I did.

 

[Guest]

No..............

It isn't cute...It isn't endearing......

And (especially lately) I have lost all vestige of patience with this type of behaviour..And have no intention what so ever of regaining it.

Which is a complex way of saying "There's the door..don't let it hit you in the ass on your way out.."

 

[Netzach]

I realized that I love a challenge. To me, a challenge is a really complex person who causes me to think and work. If this was meant to be as easy as having a puppy, I'd get a puppy.

I like resistance that the sub doesn't want and doesn't even know why they are doing.

Subtle physical resistance can be addressed with a good bondage predicament. Mental things almost always have some physical manifestation.

I don't mind brat roleplays if I'm doing a teacher or Nun thing. That's a nice departure sometimes. I don't especially long to get into alligator wrestling scenes, but I'm a never say never kind of gal these days.

 

[Guest]

I realized that I love a challenge. To me, a challenge is a really complex person who causes me to think and work. If this was meant to be as easy as having a puppy, I'd get a puppy.

I like resistance that the sub doesn't want and doesn't even know why they are doing.

Subtle physical resistance can be addressed with a good bondage predicament. Mental things almost always have some physical manifestation.

I don't mind brat roleplays if I'm doing a teacher or Nun thing. That's a nice departure sometimes. I don't especially long to get into alligator wrestling scenes, but I'm a never say never kind of gal these days.

I would say (opinion only) that roleplay, is by definition different.

And I did the "never say never" thing ..Then I realized that life is too short to put up with people that annoy the piss out of you.

This does not mean I like people who are doormats..Entirely to the contrary..But I swear, the next time I hear that phrase used as an excuse, to cover what is essentially behaviour that I would not tolerate in my six year old ..... I will be hard pressed not to engage in "breath play" with the person in question.

 

[FreeGal]

Having read through this entire thread, personally, I don't "get" sammy subs.

Surely sammy subs aren't really submissive, by nature. As others have said, they are people who like to top from the bottom. That strikes me more of the behaviour of a masochist, rather than a submissive.

I would never dream of goading my Dom into punishing me. Yes, I have said things in the past which have warranted punishment, but only in a joke-like fashion, as part of play. I am also a very spirited woman, with a mind of my own and plenty of fire within me. But, when I submit to him, I submit to him, no messing around. I am his, he is the one in control, and what he says goes.

Perhaps the way I preceive submission is more simplistic than some, but I can't be doing with silly games. Yes, we have an amazing amount of fun, but during a scene we are deadly serious, not only because raw lust and sex is - on the whole, but also because some of the things we do could be dangerous. Not a time for messing about and pulling surprises. Complete trust is a two way thing.

Having said all of that, my pleasure and enjoyment always seem paramount to him, as his is to me - absolutely. I have never felt the need to goad him into doing something to me, I trust in him that he will do what we both know we love anyway. Maybe I'm incredibly lucky. In fact, I know I am.

FreeGal

 

[Netzach]

You know, I'm a pro, I deal with non-submissive fetishistic assholes with agendas they think they are hiding but don't.

...Every single day of my life.

I'm not outraged by them anymore. I'm over outrage.

I just see people who think that manipulation is the only way to get what they want, and I find that asking them what they want disarms them fairly well.

Now, they are a paycheck. I have to get to the bottom of it if I want to eat, travel, or bathe in pretty scented shit.

but it's certainly made me handle the amateur/lifestyler who does the same thing better. I've even embraced a notorious SAM. I know that I can make her shut up and behave with a look and not everyone, not even most people enjoy that privilege.

I find it rather erotic in a trophy way - she turns the het guys on, but *I* make her behave.

And we thought only subs could be brats.