SAMMY Subs

[RJMasters]

Oh no, it is like playing a very challenging game of chess. The mental moves being exercised way in advance, the calculating of probabilities. Being ready for every move and able to twist and bend it to my advantage. I love being able to get inside a sub's mind when they have some life to them. I don't want to beat out that cattiness, I love it. I want a challenge and if she happens to win once in a while and tops me it's even better. I'll try harder, smarter and more evil next time. We both have an absolute blast that way.

Of course that is just me. I can always just tell her when it's enough and to take a break for a few days. The communication is extremely important and she has to understand that sometimes I need to recharge my dom batteries.

Ya' know I just don't get this.

I see two people, as more of a team building each other and meeting each other's need, rather than competeing for control or dominance over each other.

It would never have even occurred to me I was playing a game.

I more of a point and click kinda guy "I guess".

 

[RJMasters]

I didn't mean to imply any kind of respect. I apologize for that oversight.

Bad form ol bean. Careful where you step, bouncing betty's could be anywhere...and you just heard a "Click"

This is probably a path you don't want to head down.

 

[dolf]

Ya' know I just don't get this.

I see two people, as more of a team building each other and meeting each other's need, rather than competeing for control or dominance over each other.

It would never have even occurred to me I was playing a game.

I more of a point and click kinda guy "I guess".

hmmmmmm......i can kinda see your point of view RJMasters...
but it's like exercising, like sparring. it doesn't mean that there is any less respect. as Betticus stated...

The communication is extremely important and she has to understand that sometimes I need to recharge my dom batteries.

it is a game which He controls, He writes the rules, He decides when it stops, she obeys! she's not really competing for control because in the long term she can never win.

xx

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[Kajira Callista]

Hmmm...I'm a sammy bitch most of the time. I admit it freely and am in no way ashamed of it because I know the difference between play/teasing and when its time to react to a Master appropriately. There are very few people in this world that can put that side of me to a halt with a look or a word and I like it that way. I do not choose to submit to everyone on the planet and not everyone on the planet has the ability to control me. Does being sammy and rotten most of the time make me look bad or seem like I'm not for real? Prolly.. but the people that form an opinion before seeing all are not what I seek, as friends, lovers, masters, or acquaintances. It's the people that have the ability to see past that and see who and what I really am that matter. Maybe its a form of protection, maybe its a character trait of mine to be a brat....*shrug* all I know is it is who I am.

 

[Kajira Callista]

I didn't mean to imply any kind of respect. I apologize for that oversight.

was that a typo...or just plain rudeness?

 

[LadyG]

I guess I would have to say I'm "sammy" some of the time, but He likes that part of me and would never try to change it. However, it takes but a word or an certain inhale of breath, and I know it's time to stop.

It's not done to manipulate or to get what I what in terms of punishment.

It's just me.

 

[TySlut26]

You know, I just realized that since I made this commitment to my Dom, I've actually gotten a LOT less manipulative. I'll be the first to admit that I'm still a bit "sammy" most of the time, but before I became a submissive I honestly used to just think of dozens of ways I could manipulate my boyfriend and eventually I started to feel pretty guilty. But really... now that I think about it, I'm not NEARLY as manipulative as I was a few short weeks ago. I mean, I'll provoke him now and again but I wouldn't dream of pulling any of the shit that I did just a few short weeks ago. You're right, dolf, that metal rod does work wonders on girls with behavioral problems.

 

[Netzach]

Hmmm...I'm a sammy bitch most of the time. I admit it freely and am in no way ashamed of it because I know the difference between play/teasing and when its time to react to a Master appropriately. There are very few people in this world that can put that side of me to a halt with a look or a word and I like it that way. I do not choose to submit to everyone on the planet and not everyone on the planet has the ability to control me. Does being sammy and rotten most of the time make me look bad or seem like I'm not for real? Prolly.. but the people that form an opinion before seeing all are not what I seek, as friends, lovers, masters, or acquaintances. It's the people that have the ability to see past that and see who and what I really am that matter. Maybe its a form of protection, maybe its a character trait of mine to be a brat....*shrug* all I know is it is who I am.

Thank you, I could not have defended this better.

And I would want to control someone who would politely defer to everyone and anyone because....?

I don't like my toys overly deferential to other people unless I know the other people and approve. The LAST thing I'd do is put someone on protocol with another person just because she says she's Mistress such n such.

If she orders my pets around without doing the work of consulting me or them closely, I'd be PISSED if they did not act out in some fashion.

 

[Kajira Callista]

 

[Sir_Winston54]

I was going to post to this thread, but Netzach and KC have already expressed my thoughts, from both the PYL and the pyl point of view, so I'll just echo some others and say:

KC: DITTO
Netzach: DITTO

 

[sunfox]

KC... I'm on the same page as you.

I honestly probably go even a step further to say that I would not seem even slightly submissive to someone that hasn't earned my respect.

My sense of humor is abrasive and sometimes downright snide.. but my PYL likes my sense of humor, and appreciates that it is a part of me. I do not ever disrespect him, and I hold the utmost respect in all ways for him. But I don't think teasing or play is in and of itself disrespectful, either. All the Dom/me need do is not give the desired response to shut down the behavior.

If I'm getting a little too saucy, my PYL is quite efficient at silencing me.

 

[Betticus]

I know that I can make her shut up and behave with a look and not everyone, not even most people enjoy that privilege.

I find it rather erotic in a trophy way - she turns the het guys on, but *I* make her behave.

And we thought only subs could be brats.

How is it that you always find just the right thing to say?

 

[Betticus]

Bad form ol bean. Careful where you step, bouncing betty's could be anywhere...and you just heard a "Click"

This is probably a path you don't want to head down.

It's not that bad RJ. I just don't appreciate being told what to think and feel.

I got a nice "I will" agree to respectfully disagree instead of something like: "We just disagree".

Perhaps I just took it out of context, I allow for that since this is just text on a screen and conveys no feeling. I wasn't trying to pick on ADR in any way either. I was just making a simple statement of what I personally enjoy.

I like brats. In fact I love bitches, chicks with attitude. Girls that are almost unapproachable in public because of that attitude. Part of the attraction is that I don't really have to worry about someone sneaking in behind my back and trying to become affectionate with her. It all just boils down to what I enjoy on a personal level and I won't be told how to feel toward a slight disagreement with my personal preferences.

Regardless, Netzach stated it much more eloquently than I did.

 

[RJMasters]

It's not that bad RJ. I just don't appreciate being told what to think and feel.

I got a nice "I will" agree to respectfully disagree instead of something like: "We just disagree".

Perhaps I just took it out of context, I allow for that since this is just text on a screen and conveys no feeling. I wasn't trying to pick on ADR in any way either.

Perhaps I just took it out of context, I allow for that since this is just text on a screen and conveys no feeling.

I think this is the case here. Knowing ADR as I do, she was trying to graciously bow out of a disagreement, and did not mean to imply force agreement on your part. Unless you mean by your response you

- agree with her, or
- that she is not allowed to have a different opinion than you on the mater, or
- you do not agree that you two disagree so you refuse to agree about that

Not a very good list to choose a logical point of view from is it?


I just don't appreciate being told what to think and feel.

No one does…but we are often misunderstood….as I can easily interpret you telling me “It's not that bad RJ” how to think and feel.

It is “possible” that ADR’s response may be up for interpretation, however your response back to her, is not. It was straight up disrespectful and embarrassing, and it was intended to hurt, regardless weather it was a defensive reaction on your part. Something I have learned since being on Lit, is disrespect is just as much a two way street as respect is. It’s a give what you get kinda thing.


I got a nice "I will" agree to respectfully disagree instead of something like: "We just disagree".

You sure you want to rest your defense of slapping down publicly a submissive and a friend of mine on this weak shyt? Still think its not that bad?

Using your words…couldn’t you think of any other way to respond? Or maybe ask if she was trying to tell you how to think or feel? Perhaps if you had asked that, you would have found out that she wasn’t and cleared up any miscommunication about the matter before being heavy handed.

Its moments like this in which a valuable lesson is presenting itself, it is often how we respond that determines what kind of people we are. Our actions and inactions define who we are. I will leave it to your own conscious to decide how you want to define yourself.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I guess I have no problem at all with "provocation" or "topping from the bottom". It is a challenge and the master either meets it or fails to meet it.

 

[Netzach]

If I know anyone capable of handling her own boundaries it's ADR.

*smile*

 

[A Desert Rose]

If I know anyone capable of handling her own boundaries it's ADR.

*smile*

Thank you for that. It means a lot coming from You.

 

[A Desert Rose]

We all have tendency to see things in black and white. But as evidenced by the responses in this thread, we all have differing opinions of what a SAMMY is (it's that old saying, I can't explain it, I just know it when I see it) and whether we "like" that kind of personality trait in a submissive or we don't.

I don't think MOST Dom/mes want a dull and humorless submissive.

I also don't think that MOST Dom/me's want to be provoked and manipulated by their submissive. And most definately, not for long. (I think manipulating someone is one of the most disrespectful things anyone can do to another.)

As, I think CutieMouse said, there is a fine line there sometimes. There is a difference between provocation and manipulation (topping from the bottom) and playful teasing. If a submissive has a Dom/me, we can already assume that she has entered that relationship, in a large part because of mutual trust and respect. I do think that MOST submissives learn fairly quickly how much they can get away with and how far they can go with their Dom/me.

And anyone who knows me, already knows whether I am SAMMY or not.

 

[Kajira Callista]

And anyone who knows me, already knows whether I am SAMMY or not. [/B]

yep we do sammy......errmm i mean roxy... runs away giggling leaves a bag of reeses at the door.



you know i *big red heart* you

 

[A Desert Rose]

yep we do sammy......errmm i mean roxy... runs away giggling leaves a bag of reeses at the door.



you know i *big red heart* you

LOL... yea ok, but I'm only sammy with the right fellas...

those who have pockets full of reese's...

 

[Kajira Callista]

LOL... yea ok, but I'm only sammy with the right fellas...

those who have pockets full of reese's...

i understand totally
btw you really really make me LOL for real

 

[PyroDemon]

Originally posted by A Desert Rose
LOL... yea ok, but I'm only sammy with the right fellas...

those who have pockets full of reese's...

Good thing I stocked up.....

 

[A Desert Rose]

i understand totally
btw you really really make me LOL for real

That is a lovely thing to say to someone.

And you warm my heart... all the time... for real.

 

[Kajira Callista]

That is a lovely thing to say to someone.

And you warm my heart... all the time... for real.

awww shucks