Serious Discussion: The Mental Health of Dominants

[Netzach]

I'm still having a hard time figuring out how being fucked/fisted/toyed with until I'm a happy quivering little puddle of goo, or making note of a lover's interests/favorite foods/hobbies and surprising him with little tokens or keeping his favorite coffee/tea in the house = bullying.

What I don't understand is why people feel the need to drop their disapproval.

OK, you don't want me "banned" or "jailed" here's a gold star for motherfucking tolerance, asshat. Now what exactly do you get out of letting me know you don't approve? A little mental hard on? Goody.

So to save people from wanting to be controlled you're going to shame-control them pre-emptively. Thanks!

 

[Netzach]

Who said anything about decadence? I'm not saying it's indulgent, I'm saying that the desire to control someone, and the desire to be controlled (even if it's only for pretend) is fascist. You totally pulled that out of your ass, not once have I said anything about the bourgeoisie or whatever.

I lean towards Orwell's, perhaps more eloquent, definition of fascism. That at its root it is a desire for people to be controlled, to worship a strong hero. And for our Teutonic friend below I quote: "In this country if you ask the average thinking person to define Fascism, he usually answers by pointing to the German and Italian régimes. But this is very unsatisfactory, because even the major Fascist states differ from one another a good deal in structure and ideology."

He goes on: "Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come."

So then, the desire to be the bully, or to be bullied comes as close to a fascist definition as I can see. Netzah, I might want to stick my dick into a lot of pussy, that doesn't mean I want to exert some sort of mind-bending control. I don't need to push people around, even in a controlled, sanitized, consensual environment. And I'm not advocating for some sort of ban, it's just my opinion.

Orwell isn't the be all end all of political observation. And "bully" is a piss poor synonym actually, it's a joke.

Fascism in its every instance is accompanied with a narrative of purity, regression or great advancement, and identity solidarity to the exclusion of an "other." Politically mafias and mafia like things are "bullies." They generally want stuff and don't care what the people whose stuff they take are up to. Fascists need narrative and thrive on justification, their superiority, the inferiority of the other, the way the repression or loss of control is "good for" the savages.

People generally need narrative. In the private arena, being able to make our own is what makes us human beings. Having it made for us by the state is not remotely the same, and it's an insult to people actually impacted by repression to act like it is. Treating a consensual western SM slave as an equivalent to a trafficked actual slave is an insult to the problem.

 

[Felix_Jones]

Orwell isn't the be all end all of political observation. And "bully" is a piss poor synonym actually, it's a joke.

Fascism in its every instance is accompanied with a narrative of purity, regression or great advancement, and identity solidarity to the exclusion of an "other." Politically mafias and mafia like things are "bullies." They generally want stuff and don't care what the people whose stuff they take are up to. Fascists need narrative and thrive on justification, their superiority, the inferiority of the other, the way the repression or loss of control is "good for" the savages.

People generally need narrative. In the private arena, being able to make our own is what makes us human beings. Having it made for us by the state is not remotely the same, and it's an insult to people actually impacted by repression to act like it is. Treating a consensual western SM slave as an equivalent to a trafficked actual slave is an insult to the problem.

So then, if the real thing is so offensive, then why pretend at it?
Yeah those things happen. But to only to facilitate the submission of the public. Not all, of course, but large majorities, obeying screamingly, ecstatically with their loved symbol of strength.
And why is something any less abhorrent and weird just because it's done in private? Fuck lady, if that's the standard it's not much.

If there is someone better than George Orwell at political discourse, I have yet to read him.

 

[Netzach]

So then, if the real thing is so offensive, then why pretend at it?

Because it's pretend. As in fake blood and theater. Satisfying since Sophocles. With erections.

Who just died? No one.

Why are you more qualified than other people to decide the "shoulds" of their sexuality? Why aren't you more worried about the "shoulds" - well all that other shit?

Yeah those things happen. But to only to facilitate the submission of the public. Not all, of course, but large majorities, obeying screamingly, ecstatically with their loved symbol of strength.
And why is something any less abhorrent and weird just because it's done in private? Fuck lady, if that's the standard it's not much.[/RIGHT]

Ever been to an arena show? Or watched a sport? Without your butt puckering in the sorry lack of individuation and the terror of the group think of it?

 

[Felix_Jones]

Because it's pretend. As in fake blood and theater. Satisfying since Sophocles. With erections.

Who just died? No one.

Why are you more qualified than other people to decide the "shoulds" of their sexuality? Why aren't you more worried about the "shoulds" - well all that other shit?




Ever been to an arena show? Or watched a sport? Without your butt puckering in the sorry lack of individuation and the terror of the group think of it?

I'm a guy with an opinion, in here that makes me more than qualified enough.

Sure, except I don't fear being in public. I've been to loads of sporting events and concerts, forgive me if I'm wrong, but the point was to enjoy the band or whatever type of game was being played. No puckering involved.

 

[Netzach]

I'm a guy with an opinion, in here that makes me more than qualified enough.

Opinion isn't qualification. You're the expert on YOU, just like everyone else.

 

[ImOnIt]

I'm a guy with an opinion

But zero experience with subject matter?

 

[neci]

experiment 1

 

[neci]

experiment 2

 

[ImOnIt]

experiment 1

*Attaches BP monitors and a range of electrodes to felix, then runs behind one way glass*

 

[Felix_Jones]

But zero experience with subject matter?

With fascism? Shit I hope not.

 

[KoPilot]

I've got a great idea-- how about no one answers him until he tells us what he's doing here to begin with? And if we do, it's to remind him that he hasn't answered the question yet?

 

[neci]

*Attaches BP monitors and a range of electrodes to felix, then runs behind one way glass*

uh oh.

 

[DVS]

He's just getting his 15 minutes of fame. He'll fizzle out, soon enough.

Some are slower than others.

 

[neci]

He's just getting his 15 minutes of fame. He'll fizzle out, soon enough.

Some are slower than others.

15 minutes!? i heard it was more like 2.

 

[midwestyankee]

15 minutes!? i heard it was more like 2.

I think it's called premature evacuation.

 

[neci]

I think it's called premature evacuation.

some people could really benefit from some good old-fascist orgasm control.

 

[midwestyankee]

some people could really benefit from some good old-fascist orgasm control.

Wondering for the moment....would a blowjob from a nazi please me?

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

So then, if the real thing is so offensive, then why pretend at it?
Yeah those things happen. But to only to facilitate the submission of the public. Not all, of course, but large majorities, obeying screamingly, ecstatically with their loved symbol of strength.
And why is something any less abhorrent and weird just because it's done in private? Fuck lady, if that's the standard it's not much.

If there is someone better than George Orwell at political discourse, I have yet to read him.

You have some seriously fucked up sexual crayons in your own Crayola 64-pack. I guaranfuckingdamntee it.

Let me take a not-too-difficult run at it. Leprechauns. Right before you come, you see them, don't you? You feel the switch about to flip in your brain, you clench your eyes and see them, dancing: redhaired, diminutive, green-clad, buckleshoed talismans of need. It gets you over the falls.

You use hummus for lube. The garlicy kind. You say you can get off without it, but it's been going on now since 1997.

And you make your woman wear a Dick Cheney mask.

There's more.

 

[Tilia_Fondi]

You have some seriously fucked up sexual crayons in your own Crayola 64-pack. I guaranfuckingdamntee it.

Let me take a not-too-difficult run at it. Leprechauns. Right before you come, you see them, don't you? You feel the switch about to flip in your brain, you clench your eyes and see them, dancing: redhaired, diminutive, green-clad, buckleshoed talismans of need. It gets you over the falls.

You use hummus for lube. The garlicy kind. You say you can get off without it, but it's been going on now since 1997.

And you make your woman wear a Dick Cheney mask.

There's more.

Hahahahahaha, bet thats all spot on! Except I think He'd like to use some chilli hummus for lube instead of garlic!

 

[Keroin]

The very physiology of intercourse is violent. There's a quote from the TV series House that just cracked me up the first time I heard it. But it rings true:

"Do you know what the human body goes through when you have sex? Pupils dilate, arteries constrict, core temperature rises, heart races, blood pressure skyrockets, respiration becomes rapid and shallow, the brain fires bursts of electrical impulses from nowhere to nowhere, and secretions spit out of every gland, and the muscles tense and spasm like you're lifting three times your body weight. It's violent. It's ugly. And it's messy. And if God hadn't made it *unbelievably* fun, the human race would have died out eons ago. Men are lucky they can only have one orgasm. You know that women can have an hour long orgasm?"


Ever watch a nature documentary? Not a lot of animals are exactly "lovey dovey" with their mating. And we, like it or not, are animals. To me, the shock is not that some of us get off on power exchanges and pain but that more of us *don't* get off on it.

But the next time I watch a rooster in action, I'll make sure to let him know what a fascist he is.

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

The very physiology of intercourse is violent. There's a quote from the TV series House that just cracked me up the first time I heard it. But it rings true:

"Do you know what the human body goes through when you have sex? Pupils dilate, arteries constrict, core temperature rises, heart races, blood pressure skyrockets, respiration becomes rapid and shallow, the brain fires bursts of electrical impulses from nowhere to nowhere, and secretions spit out of every gland, and the muscles tense and spasm like you're lifting three times your body weight. It's violent. It's ugly. And it's messy. And if God hadn't made it *unbelievably* fun, the human race would have died out eons ago. Men are lucky they can only have one orgasm. You know that women can have an hour long orgasm?"


Ever watch a nature documentary? Not a lot of animals are exactly "lovey dovey" with their mating. And we, like it or not, are animals. To me, the shock is not that some of us get off on power exchanges and pain but that more of us *don't* get off on it.

But the next time I watch a rooster in action, I'll make sure to let him know what a fascist he is.

Yes, next project: writing a BDSM nature documentary for CBC.

Thank you for not making the cock-a-doodle-doo reference.

 

[Felix_Jones]

You have some seriously fucked up sexual crayons in your own Crayola 64-pack. I guaranfuckingdamntee it.

Let me take a not-too-difficult run at it. Leprechauns. Right before you come, you see them, don't you? You feel the switch about to flip in your brain, you clench your eyes and see them, dancing: redhaired, diminutive, green-clad, buckleshoed talismans of need. It gets you over the falls.

You use hummus for lube. The garlicy kind. You say you can get off without it, but it's been going on now since 1997.

And you make your woman wear a Dick Cheney mask.

There's more.

Where do you get this shit, man? You're weirdo guesses about what I do are more indicative of you than me.

 

[Felix_Jones]

The very physiology of intercourse is violent. There's a quote from the TV series House that just cracked me up the first time I heard it. But it rings true:

"Do you know what the human body goes through when you have sex? Pupils dilate, arteries constrict, core temperature rises, heart races, blood pressure skyrockets, respiration becomes rapid and shallow, the brain fires bursts of electrical impulses from nowhere to nowhere, and secretions spit out of every gland, and the muscles tense and spasm like you're lifting three times your body weight. It's violent. It's ugly. And it's messy. And if God hadn't made it *unbelievably* fun, the human race would have died out eons ago. Men are lucky they can only have one orgasm. You know that women can have an hour long orgasm?"


Ever watch a nature documentary? Not a lot of animals are exactly "lovey dovey" with their mating. And we, like it or not, are animals. To me, the shock is not that some of us get off on power exchanges and pain but that more of us *don't* get off on it.

But the next time I watch a rooster in action, I'll make sure to let him know what a fascist he is.

I love how your quote invokes god. If you want to take your sexual (and zoological) advice from your imaginary space Santa that's your ignorant business, keep me out of it.

 

[Keroin]

I love how your quote invokes god. If you want to take your sexual (and zoological) advice from your imaginary space Santa that's your ignorant business, keep me out of it.

Dude, everyone here knows I'm an atheist. Feel free to replace "god" with "evolution" - as most intelligent people would know to do.

But thanks for insulting even more folks here! Please see the hostess for your prize.