Sex, Bondage and Religion

[Sir_Winston54]

I'm very comfortable in the belief that as long as we live our lives bringing as much peace and happiness to others, God probably doesn't care what we do in the bedroom.

Nowhere have I seen an 11th Commandment saying "Though shalt not use thine whips and binds for thine woman"

I'm Christian, and very proud of my beliefs and what they mean in my life. I have never felt any shame at my lifestyle choice because I haven't seen anything in scripture saying BDSM is an unholy or sinful act. Adultery and fornication are two sexually-related sins, but BDSM in general has no mention that I have seen.

Sex, Bondage, and Religion is a non-argument in my opinion.

So ... how comfortable would you be discussing BDSM with your pastor?

 

[O'Mac]

So ... how comfortable would you be discussing BDSM with your pastor?

Probably about as comfortable as discussing it with my co-workers, brother, father, or grandmother. Bit of a moot point isn't it?

The ball is in your court, good sir.

 

[jasonlf]

So ... how comfortable would you be discussing BDSM with your pastor?

Just as comfortable as I would be discussing vanilla sex with my pastor.

 

[Iron Bear]

I was raised attending southern baptist churches. I am guessing that many of you, like me, began thinking about "kinky" things as teen agers, when we all start thinking about sex. Given my religious beliefs, most of which I still hold, this caused a lot of emotional pain and guilt. I still haven't reached any conclusion on this point.

I suppose that if the two people in question agree to a particular activity, then how could the loving God I was taught to believe in condemn them? If this is where they find their happiness, why would this caring, loving, omnipotent, omniscient being call it wicked?

Some would call me blind for still believing most of what I learned of God, but I should tell you that I didn't just sit in church listening to a preacher talk, and simply accepting what he said as absolute truth. I never have, nor ever will, simply accept things that way. I have to read, hear, see, think, and interpret for myself.

Keeping that in mind, it does say in the bible that when we accept our savior, ALL our sins, past and future, are forgiven . That is one of the hardest concepts of my religion for me to accept. I have been assured by many others that this is true, though. Some also look at this as meaning that Christians are allowed to sin, but this is not the case. This once again raises the question of whether or not bdsm is sin. All I can say is read the book, use your brain, and judge for yourself.

In the end, after all, it's pretty much a personal thing between YOU and GOD. I won't be judged by what you do, nor will you be judged by what I do.

 

[jasonlf]

I suppose that if the two people in question agree to a particular activity, then how could the loving God I was taught to believe in condemn them? If this is where they find their happiness, why would this caring, loving, omnipotent, omniscient being call it wicked?

That's my general idea, but I also think that what's right for me isn't right for everyone. I'm sure there's things that I could do (maybe drink one glass of wine) and not sin, but for someone who was an alcoholic could do the same while they are 'on the wagon' and it be a grave sin.

Not everything in etched in stone, imo.

 

[ShreveportMaster]

Christianity and BDSM

I know this thread is religion and BDSM, but since I am a Christian, I am not qualified to comment on any other faith. The Bible clearly teaches that Marriage is honorable among all, and the marriage bed is undefiled. In the bonds (no pun intended) of a monagamous marriage, anything the couple chooses to do with each other (note, if it involves 16 people, it's not each other anymore) is fine and dandy with God. If BOTH partners want to use whipped cream, whips, chains,handcuffs, and inflatable sheep, go for it! Sex outside of marriage is a sin, but fortunately for U/us, God is in the forgiving business. All you have to do is ask. Feel free to e-mail Me if you'd like to discuss this, or any other topics. Especially if you are an uncollared slave who is also a believer

 

[jasonlf]

whipped cream, whips, chains,handcuffs, and inflatable sheep

You forgot the rope.

 

[ShreveportMaster]

You forgot the rope.

(in His best Old West villan voice...)

"Get a rope"

 

[preggo lover]

I have a theory about what causes homosexuality, but I haven't thought about a past life model for bdsm. Good question though.

I am not gay but this always intrigues me. I in a secret under ground life I try not to show am a Mountain Biker. Its my fetish. I sometimes spend hours just stairing at my Mountain Bike looking at its untold beauty (or is that justifying the money I spent on it). ALong the way you meet interesting people especially one fellow called Johnny on a MTBing Forum. Johnny is highly educated in Human social behaviours and various other things that i care not of. Johnny had this to say about Homosexuality and various other forms of sexuality. His peice is called 'Intersexuality'

You are probably gay/lesbian without even knowing it!


During the 1st trimester of pregnancy the 23rd chromosome dictates whether you will be a boy or girl (XX = girl, XY = boy). When this differentiation kicks in either ovaries/clitoris or testes/penis are formed. These then excrete hormones, both estrogenic (feminising) and androgenic (masculinising). Differing levels of these hormones create differing levels of sexual character.

This character can be anything as slight as more/less aggression, emotional quality, spatial ability etc. They can also be of observable character, more/less facial hair, muscle bulk/tone, hand size, jawline etc. or of an extreme nature, micro penis, intersexuality etc.

Therefore, the hormones secreted during pregnancy dictates your sexual nature in both physicality and behaviour. If you're a male who receives low doses of androgens and high doses of estrogen (can be due to diabetic mother among many other things) your character is going to be far less manly, dare I say girly. Likewise if your a girl who got high androgen, low estrogen, you are going to be more blokey and less femanine. Needless to say this is going to have a direct baring on sexual preference.

So one may say that you may be 1) XY, full of androgens and all man (probably attracted to the all woman), 2) XY low androgens/high estrogens and rather femanine (propensity to be attreacted to masculinity 3) XX high estrogen, all woman (probably most attracted to the all man) 4) XX with low estrgen/high androgen and more masculine (propensity to be attracted to femaninity). This is a massive simplification mind you, but it is a valid one for the sake of clarity.

This leaves the 5th sexuality. There can be many other occurances in the incubation process. Some are born with only a single X chromosome and will be born female but without ovaries (Turners Syndrome). You may be born XYY (supermale) and be less intelligent (many industrialised countries have an over representation, by a long way, of supermales in their prison systems. This also begs investigation into methods of crime prevention from childbirth) (Klinefelter Syndrome). Other situations like Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH) are where there is an anomally in the feotus that doesn't fully respond to androgens. This results in a person having a Vagina, but no uterus or ovaries. This "female" will have all the (physical) attributes of a male such as big hands, Adams Apple, square jaw and muscle bulk, but will be of full female character.

But most importantly there are the intersexuals. I'm not fully aware of what causes this, I seem to remember it being something about maternal doses of androgens in the second and third trimester....not 100% on that though. But this is where the feotus receives incomplete doses of androgens (1 or 2 out of the 3) resulting in ambiguous (indefinable) genitalia. Micro-penis is another term.

When the baby is conceived, it is always female. Only when the 1st dose of androgens are introduced by the mother will change occur. If the Feotus has a Y chromosome present, the baby shall transform into a male (once again, not 100% confident on the maternal androgenic influence). We are all girls first.

The clitoris grows into a penis and the ovaries transform and drop to become testicals when androgens are introduced into a genetic (XY) male. If only 1-2 of the maternal androgenal doses are present, this process does not complete itself. This results in anything from an overgrown clitoris (luckily for these girls, there is very little esle to show of the androgenising process and they end up with a large sensative sexual organ that has no other use than to induce much larger amounts of sexual pleasure), to a tiny malformed penis. When I say tiny, I'm talking 1cm with a tiny little scrotum with pea sized testicles (I'm tipping bin Laden, Saddam, Bush and Howard suffer from this).

Small penis with a hole where the scrotum should be is another variation that can go all the way to fully formed dick plus a fully formed vagina, fully formed vagina with no breasts and full facial hair (hemaphrodite) and any other variation is completely possible. Try pigeon holing/catagorising these people into hetero/homo! Not possible!

The prevalence of intersexuality is around.......1 in a 1000! (I'm pretty sure that's correct) and in some places like Madagascar it's as little as 1 in 500. This means 1-1000=10-10 000=100-100 000= 1000-1 000 000=10 000-10 000 000= 100 000-1 000 000 000=600 000 in the world. That's a very conservative estimate considering how many instances either go unoticed because they are not heavily pronounced or go unreported due to parental ignorance/embarresment or even killed at birth due to religious reasons. There is actiually a large and active intersexual global community, linked to bellow.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/gender/beck.html
http://www.romanceopedia.com/A-BeingIntersexual.html
http://www.kindredspiritlakeside.ho...rsexuality.html
http://health.allrefer.com/health/h...itism-info.html
http://www.healthyplace.com/communi...real_people.htm
http://groups.msn.com/TheHermaphrod...nrightscampaign
http://www.narth.com/docs/normality.html

Other topics to research in this area are female ejaculation. Why do some women ejaculate bodily fluids in a manner (biologically and behaviorally) most masculine? Is there a crossover of phenotype regarding orgasm behaviour? Psycho-sexual maleabi;ity. How socialised are gender roles and how determined are they by biology. Do both constructs influence one another or does socialisation follow the construct of biology (This is what I believe to be true)?

As I said, this is a hugely simplified overview made in the effort for clarity of argument. This is to say that there are literally an infinite number of variations and levels of sexuality within the two sexes that we've been led to believe in.

Research and education into this area will inform society that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "MALE AND FEMALE". THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TRUE HETEROSEXUALITY/HOMOSEXUALITY, ONLY GREY AREAS WITHIN. This realisation in the world would lead to a cultural revolution (not the Maoist type) in a review of gender roles and homophobia.

People, I say be/fuck what you want to be/fuck and do it with pride!

My knee hurts.

Thanks Johnny

 

[alrem]

There are christian bdsm websites and e groups believe it or not. They don't talk about Female Domme Male sub. Guess they are headed for hell. Here's a few bible quotes from one of the sites.

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence"
(1 Timothy 2:11-12)

It is better to dwell in the wilderness,than with a contentious and an angry woman (in Proverbs 21:19)." boy, that is true.

1 Corinthians 11: 8 - 9
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head* of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the savior of the body.

Ask Todd what's cool within a marriage. You may get an interesting answer.

I have a theory about what causes homosexuality, but I haven't thought about a past life model for bdsm. Good question though.

Can you prove to me that what's written on the bible was trully the word of God?
Or its just a great novel by Spain used to abuse their people?

 

[preggo lover]

Can you prove to me that what's written on the bible was trully the word of God?
Or its just a great novel by Spain used to abuse their people?

Well is it so hard to believe that most western countries base there Laws on Christian Law. Is it so hard to believe that This is 2005 that being 2005 years since the birth of Jesus Christ. I don't like imposing my beliefs on people because I would rather them not do it to me but some people are just so niave to the facts and history that souronds them every day.

Too much of Our lives are based on Christian events which also just happen to be in the Bible (Easter, christmas,) for us to just fob it off as a joke or a lie. I don't expect you to be a christian but don't be stupid.

Otherwise you may as well say to yourself - "Am I really sitting in front of this computer or am I on far too many drugs too realise whats reality and whats just in my head."

And if you ask me if it was a good novel no I have read much better but thats not why am a Christian.