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[lil_slave_rose]

I'll never understand this.

Why is it so hard for people to say,

"Hey, looks like I was wrong. Thanks for letting me know!"

We're all wrong every once in a while, even the best of us.

It's OK.

if i were wrong, i would. but in this case i am not wrong but i really don't feel like arguing and continuing to post links and articles and going back and forth. there is most defiantly a difference between psychopaths and sociopaths, most of the differences are in the way they "do" their crimes and the reasons for doing them. but i'm done now, i'm out of this argument because it's become useless......

 

[lil_slave_rose]

Does this help explain what you are saying?
Catalina

yes cat, that says it perfectly, thank you!

 

[Homburg]

I just wish someone would find a term that no one ever finds abhorant, cause keeping up with the changes is confusing.

There is no such term. Once a term is coined for a given thing, someone will eventually take to using it as a perjorative. Look at "gay" for goodness' sake. It means "happy". Yet it is a perjorative now.

No matter what term is coined, someone will take offense to it eventually. And we wind up with language being constantly polluted and modified so as to lessen offense amongst, and I say it again, increasingly less noteworthy minorities. Am I making a nasty distinction? Yes. The minority groups being pandered to are being with these lessons in linguistic gymnastics are ever more tightly defined and small. Eventually there will a focus group for everything and the language will be in constant flux based on how much pressure can be brought to bear by group b over group c.

Disgusting, expensive, and pointless when there is a magical cure for the problem that we all have inside: don't be so sensitive.

 

[MelancholyBaby]

Disgusting, expensive, and pointless when there is a magical cure for the problem that we all have inside: don't be so sensitive.

You say that as if it is so easy. There is nothing magic or simple about that statement for some of us.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HOMBURG

Youve described how society fractures. We lose the ability to communicate with each other because our words mean everything and nothing. And when words mean anything, it's all Babel.

 

[JMohegan]

There is no such term. Once a term is coined for a given thing, someone will eventually take to using it as a perjorative. Look at "gay" for goodness' sake. It means "happy". Yet it is a perjorative now.

No matter what term is coined, someone will take offense to it eventually. And we wind up with language being constantly polluted and modified so as to lessen offense amongst, and I say it again, increasingly less noteworthy minorities. Am I making a nasty distinction? Yes. The minority groups being pandered to are being with these lessons in linguistic gymnastics are ever more tightly defined and small. Eventually there will a focus group for everything and the language will be in constant flux based on how much pressure can be brought to bear by group b over group c.

Disgusting, expensive, and pointless when there is a magical cure for the problem that we all have inside: don't be so sensitive.

You sound very threatened and angry about this, and I'm struggling to understand why.

Would you please provide specific examples of language changes that you find "disgusting, expensive, and pointless", so that I can further appreciate your point of view?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

TAANIJANNA

Read what you write.

If you have a diagnosis youre most definitely tossed into the tank where everyone has the same diagnosis. I mean, that's the function of a diagnosis. It lumps people together, and warrants assumptions about them.

Pregnancy is different for most women, but if youre pregnant, youre pregnant.

During the years I practiced psychotherapy I observed many instances where people were misdiagnosed. On two occasions the errors were fatal. The MDs thought brain cancer was schizophrenia.

A competent diagnostician (like me) knows that people do not walk in the door with schizophrenia at the age of 40. You immediately suspect a pathogen, like cancer.

My state certification involved a case where an MD made an abuse report against a young mother. The MD's complaint charged the mother with attempting to obtain unnecessary medical care for her child, and diagnosed the mother Munchausen's by Proxy Disorder. I examined the medical records. The child had a bonafide respiratory infection. And the child was sent to hospital by her pediatrician. The referral was appropriate and necessary.

I sent mom to a psychologist and a psychiatrist for assessment. Mild general anxiety disorder was their conclusions. Mom was a bit more vigilant than most moms are about illness in the kids. She doesnt wait to see. Not a problem.

So I took a peek at the MD. And what I discovered was: Mom was flirting with one of the nurses at the hospital, he was receptive to the flirting, and the MD was interested in the same man. So the MD made a false abuse report on the mom, to retaliate.

I know one reputable pediatrician who kills kids fairly often. He misdiagnoses their problems.

 

[tanijaana]

TAANIJANNA

Read what you write.

Actually, I read what I write quite well. You apparently, do not, and I refuse to be baited by you. I prefer a challenge. *smiling* Have a good day.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JMOHEGAN

I can name a few.

"USE UNIVERSAL PRECAUTIONS" rather than identifying the patient with AIDS.

When I started practice patients were called "patients." Then they were called "clients." Then they were called "consumers." All of them a distinction without a difference. The hospital I worked in changed the names to "Co-facilitators." The idea being patients assist in their own treatments. The hospital gave them official looking name-tags. At the point when the silliness was tossed out the door, the hospital was refunding a small portion of the treatment fee to the patient and calling it "pay."

'Gender' replaced 'sex.' This is an effort to make bulls of oxen. Or stallions from geldings. We'll take a vote on it, give you a nice certificate, and you can pretend you have testicles.

 

[HB1965]

You sound very threatened and angry about this, and I'm struggling to understand why.

Would you please provide specific examples of language changes that you find "disgusting, expensive, and pointless", so that I can further appreciate your point of view?

Try being ganged up on and accused of being offensive when no offense was meant because you use a term that others find highly offense that you didn't know would be so then maybe you'll understand.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HORNYBABE

The whole business is a club to bludgeon people with. When people get in your face with the PC crap, tell them to go fuck themselves.

 

[HB1965]

HORNYBABE

The whole business is a club to bludgeon people with. When people get in your face with the PC crap, tell them to go fuck themselves.

Thanks JJ I'll consider that

 

[Netzach]

There is no such term. Once a term is coined for a given thing, someone will eventually take to using it as a perjorative. Look at "gay" for goodness' sake. It means "happy". Yet it is a perjorative now.

No matter what term is coined, someone will take offense to it eventually. And we wind up with language being constantly polluted and modified so as to lessen offense amongst, and I say it again, increasingly less noteworthy minorities. Am I making a nasty distinction? Yes. The minority groups being pandered to are being with these lessons in linguistic gymnastics are ever more tightly defined and small. Eventually there will a focus group for everything and the language will be in constant flux based on how much pressure can be brought to bear by group b over group c.

Disgusting, expensive, and pointless when there is a magical cure for the problem that we all have inside: don't be so sensitive.

I can live with a pollution of language in which I'm no longer a Heeb or a Kike in the region I live in. I married into a family that had an "Uncle Kike" in it (not Jewish, duh) which is a kind of breathtaking moment of things past.

I personally would rather deal with some language ambiguity in favor of people being able to name themselves. You had a few things to say in the labeling threads about yourself, if it's so big a deal imagine it being completely taken away from you.

Guess what, the members of the minorities you are calling out are as diverse as you are. Some people will be offended by some words and some people won't care a bit about the same words. For the people who didn't have the power to name themselves for the first time ever maybe the world is a little less confusing.

I guess my riposte is:
It's a confusing world - get over yourself. I 've offended people with the wrong language and lived. They told me what they preferred, I honored it. No one died.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

TANIJAANA

Where are all the gladiators? I cannot believe you allow an old man in your arena and flee when he shakes his cane at you. I expected more.

I am in BDSM? Right? My eyesight is poor and maybe I wandered into Sissies by mistake.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HORNYBABE

It's true. At least I believe it's true. That all the fuss is designed to intimidate people and confuse them. If your heart and intentions are pure, give your antagonists the finger. Or silent contempt.

I dont do silent contempt well.

 

[Netzach]

A world in which people are terrified that language might morph around them is equally as idiotic as a world in which people will never speak to someone else or chill out long enough to hear them out if they drop a term that's not "correct" in their mind.

 

[HB1965]

It's a confusing world - get over yourself. I 've offended people with the wrong language and lived. They told me what they preferred, I honored it. No one died.

No no one died you're right, but I have strong opnions on this subject fromr having worked in the field for 12 years and making it my life's work. I've also found that some of the people who lobby for politically correct terms don't know anything about it. They are simply on the bandwagon because someone else said it was offensive.

And no shyslave and JMohegan I'm not talking about you two. I have no clue what your experience is so I would never presume to make that call.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

NETZACH

True. We're almost there. In fact, I see plenty of evidence that individuals are demonizing common words so they can be upset, too. Everyone wants a big stick and an excuse to use it.

 

[Netzach]

No no one died you're right, but I have strong opnions on this subject fromr having worked in the field for 12 years and making it my life's work. I've also found that some of the people who lobby for politically correct terms don't know anything about it. They are simply on the bandwagon because someone else said it was offensive.

And no shyslave and JMohegan I'm not talking about you two. I have no clue what your experience is so I would never presume to make that call.

For what it's worth, I didn't think your useage was offensive, personally. It's clear you're coming out of it professionally, not some 12 year old calling someone "a retard" and it's clear also that you can't magically know what the UK level of offensiveness this does or doesn't have out of the professional community.

Then again, you're not in a professional setting and this word's going to be loaded, which I'm sure you know. It may not be right that it's a loaded term, but considering how it's used in the colloquial I can see why. And I'm certain, totally certain that there is an activist segement who's reclaiming it, as with "gimp" in the general disability community. I know someone who's totally made it her thing and someone else who'd kill even someone as close to her as me if I called her that.

 

[JMohegan]

Try being ganged up on and accused of being offensive when no offense was meant because you use a term that others find highly offense that you didn't know would be so then maybe you'll understand.

My post neither addressed nor referred to you.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HORNYBABE

Twenty years ago Satanism was the popular boogie-man. A pentogram or any symbol on your hand or notebook was enough for you to be jerked from school and sent to me. Oh! The cops were terribly excited about it, and plenty of mental health professionals were certain teens were having barbecues in the cemetery. I heard dozens of reports of infants being dug-up and eaten.

And the proof was always some naturally occurring depression at a grave. Or the kids were fucking with the panic-stricken grown-ups. I did that.

With a little cosmetic assistance I can make my leg look like Godzilla ate it. And we hooked my mom every time. My friends drug me to the door with my 'wound." "An alligator got him, really." We laughed our asses off.

 

[Homburg]

You say that as if it is so easy. There is nothing magic or simple about that statement for some of us.

Easy? No. Simple? yes. It actually is simple. It's an internal choice, nothing more.

Doing a handstand is simple. It is not necessarily easy.

Magical? *shrug* I find any solution that requires no money, no preparation, no time, and no sacrifice to be fairly magical.



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You sound very threatened and angry about this, and I'm struggling to understand why.

Threatened? Interesting choice of words. No, not threatened. Why would I be threatened? Angry is another word I would disagree with, more like irritated. Angry implies a level of commitment beyond ranting on a message board. All I am doing is ranting. Meh.

I happen to like the language, and I prefer clear communication. Any time I see a professional in a field show confusion because they're not sure what the term du jour is, I both feel bad for that person, and my confidence in their ability is diminished.

Would you please provide specific examples of language changes that you find "disgusting, expensive, and pointless", so that I can further appreciate your point of view?

Disgusting: The individual word changes themselves don't disgust me. The concept does. Specific examples are pointless. Sorry, it's tough to get disgusted over changing Manic-depressive to Bipolar. It is lingual creep based solely on the avoidance of affront that I have an issue with.

Expensive: See above discussion in regard to the word "retardation" and it's variations, being removed from various medical texts, governmental papers, scholarly works, etc. Every time a word is removed from use so as to not offend, hundreds and hundreds of man-hours are spent to correct that issue. It is frequently accompanied by the costs of the tort that initiated the action.

Pointless: The vast majority of them. Sorry about not tossing a specific here, but this last one is very much a matter of personal opinion. As I mentioned above, there are no terms that will somehow prevent all affront. Someone will find a way to use any given term insultingly.

Ah, hell, why not. See the history of colloquialisms usage to refer to Americans of African descent, or whatever the correct term is currently is. How many times have we seen the accepted term change in the past century? How long does it take before society is of the opinion that the phrase du jour is now an insult? How much point is there to such changes when the inevitable is, well, inevitable?

Still, specifics are something of a dead end. I'm not railing against this specific case. I am railing against the entire concept. The movement, if you will, towards linguistic entropy.

 

[Netzach]

Easy? No. Simple? yes. It actually is simple. It's an internal choice, nothing more.

Doing a handstand is simple. It is not necessarily easy.

Magical? *shrug* I find any solution that requires no money, no preparation, no time, and no sacrifice to be fairly magical.



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Threatened? Interesting choice of words. No, not threatened. Why would I be threatened? Angry is another word I would disagree with, more like irritated. Angry implies a level of commitment beyond ranting on a message board. All I am doing is ranting. Meh.

I happen to like the language, and I prefer clear communication. Any time I see a professional in a field show confusion because they're not sure what the term du jour is, I both feel bad for that person, and my confidence in their ability is diminished.




Disgusting: The individual word changes themselves don't disgust me. The concept does. Specific examples are pointless. Sorry, it's tough to get disgusted over changing Manic-depressive to Bipolar. It is lingual creep based solely on the avoidance of affront that I have an issue with.

Expensive: See above discussion in regard to the word "retardation" and it's variations, being removed from various medical texts, governmental papers, scholarly works, etc. Every time a word is removed from use so as to not offend, hundreds and hundreds of man-hours are spent to correct that issue. It is frequently accompanied by the costs of the tort that initiated the action.

Pointless: The vast majority of them. Sorry about not tossing a specific here, but this last one is very much a matter of personal opinion. As I mentioned above, there are no terms that will somehow prevent all affront. Someone will find a way to use any given term insultingly.

Ah, hell, why not. See the history of colloquialisms usage to refer to Americans of African descent, or whatever the correct term is currently is. How many times have we seen the accepted term change in the past century? How long does it take before society is of the opinion that the phrase du jour is now an insult? How much point is there to such changes when the inevitable is, well, inevitable?

Still, specifics are something of a dead end. I'm not railing against this specific case. I am railing against the entire concept. The movement, if you will, towards linguistic entropy.

Dude, lingustic entropy is also evidenced by katakana in Japanese, barbarismes in French and the adoption of foreign words into English, which is the essential story of the entire language. If you want static, we'd still sound like we did in the Elizabethan era. (Read Shankara's Shakespeare thread for the overwhelming consensus of legibility there)

I'd also argue that real live scary into the ovens with you oppression starts with classification. Doesn't always end up that way, but it's a great way to get it rolling.

 

[graceanne]

No no one died you're right, but I have strong opnions on this subject fromr having worked in the field for 12 years and making it my life's work. I've also found that some of the people who lobby for politically correct terms don't know anything about it. They are simply on the bandwagon because someone else said it was offensive.

I hear that. Ask a 'native american' what they are and they'll say 'indian'. (Well, unless they're a four year old girl who can't say indian yet, and tell people she's an alien - but that's a different story.) I use native american not to be PC, but to differentiate from people who are from India.

Sometimes PC terms are not what's prefered by the group it's refering to.

Another example. I don't know about elsewhere, but the 'hispanic' community in my area hates being called hispanic. They prefer latino/latina.

And sometimes using PC terms can get you into more trouble. Call a Jamaican American and African American and they can get cranky.

I have no problem with not using derogatory names. Quite frankly, I put effort into it. I'm not going to jump through hoops pleasing the unpleasable. There are people, I think, who go out of their way to be offended. They want to feel that they are being persecuted, whether they are or not. You know, the martyr syndrom and all that.

Besides, if we're going to be really picky, I wanna be called 'vertically challenged' instead of short and 'horizontally challenged' instead of fat.

Anyone want a 'politically correct' giggle? http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/paisley-brad/kung-pao-buckaroo-holiday-18727.html

 

[JMohegan]

I am a white, well-educated, reasonably affluent male with Protestant ancestors. Kink aside, there is no disadvantaged, persecuted, or underprivileged group to which I belong.

The double standards applied to my language and behavior are really too numerous to mention. Sometimes I offend inadvertently, and sometimes I offend just by walking into the room.

But do I start bitching and moaning and predicting the downfall of society? Nope. I accept that people, with less power in society than I have, are struggling to define themselves and obtain a more solid footing - and that it's a messy process.

My view on this subject may be summarized with a story from waaaaay back in the day. A white kid at my college complained about university funding for the Black Student Union. Derisively, he asked, "Gee, when can we start a WASP Club?"

My response was, "We have one, numbnuts. It's called the Board of Trustees."