sub has its own definition or is an abbreviation for submissive...?

[unfoundiamond]

I am just saying it makes it difficult.

Its like when someone comes in for a haircut...

They say they want a style... say Layers...

The Client may mean square layers, and the Stylist may think round layers...

The simple (shared) term does not completely describe the style, some times you need to ask for more information...

But I did learn that sometimes people do use the term sub to differentiate themselves from slaves...

It has a meaning I hadn't heard of, and I now know... so... goal acomplished...

But on another note...

Where's those pics, HOM? *wink* *nudgenudge*

 

[EmpressFi]

Why?

Why does "I'm submissive to one person but not socially submissive" *need* an official label or jargon? (I'm sub but not submissive?)

Why can no one stand to use more than one word in english to articulate anything? The "ease of identification and common ground" argument in favor of labelling goes flying out the window peeps. I mean look how much longer it takes to speculate and argue about a label than it does to understand "I'm only submissive to HIM, so buzz off, Jack."

Additionally, I think people who *are* socially submissive are made to feel freakshow enough as it is. What is WRONG with enjoying serving your loved ones, taking care of the people around you, taking direction well when it's well offered, and generally being helpful? Do people really need a label to convey "I'm submissive but it's not what you think?"

Take responsibility for your difference and enough pride in it to articulate it, FFS.

Just my opinion.

(is more relived than ever not to ID as anything other than Domme, no matter what she's doing in bed with her switch)

I think I'm officially in love with Net, now

 

[nh23]

I think I'm officially in love with Net, now

We have a "In Love with Netzach fan club" wanna join?

 

[EmpressFi]

We have a "In Love with Netzach fan club" wanna join?

ooo can I?

 

[nh23]

ooo can I?

Of course!

 

[EmpressFi]

YAY!

*does the "I love Netz" dance*

 

[Etoile]

I identify as queer because this term better describe my sexuality/gender identification. But in some circles, it makes more sense to identify as dyke, and in other as bi -- mostly because queer is not as commonly used and doesn't resonate with everyone. In some cases, I'll make a point of using queer and explaining why I identify as such. But in other cases, i just could care less and if going as dyke is going to get the main point across, ie that i'm not het, i'm happy with that. And in other cases, saying that I'd fuck everyone but bio-men is easier than using a label.

Hey, you sound like me! I could have said just about everything in that paragraph.

 

[Etoile]

You want labels? I gotcher labels.

Mine are: queer, dyke, gay, lesbian, submissive, slave, hearing, freak, dork, geek, introvert, student, transfer student, returning student, commuter student, modified, addict, ADHD, immune disorder, traveler, role model, ailurophile, xyrophobe, brunette...

That's just 24 of them. And yet every single one is a handy way to describe me or put me into a category. They're a good way to give others preconceived notions about me so they know who they're dealing with. That's what labels are for. To communicate to others who you are so they can respond accordingly. "Oh, you're a transfer student? How many years do you have left?" (Well, four actually, even though I'm a sophomore, but gee thanks for asking.)

Oh, and I could TOTALLY have had this entire conversation in this thread with the topic being "deaf vs. Deaf" instead of "sub vs. submissive" - TOTALLY.

 

[EmpressFi]

You want labels? I gotcher labels.

Mine are: queer, dyke, gay, lesbian, submissive, slave, hearing, freak, dork, geek, introvert, student, transfer student, returning student, commuter student, modified, addict, ADHD, immune disorder, traveler, role model, ailurophile, xyrophobe, brunette...

*goes to find a dictionary*

and man.. I thought I knew big words....

 

[Etoile]

*goes to find a dictionary*

and man.. I thought I knew big words....

Hee hee, I will admit I had to look up xyrophobe myself a long time ago. It's like "I know I have this phobia, but what the hell is the name for it?!"

 

[MasterPhoenix]

Holy crap- This thread has had my head spinning like Lind Blair in a meth induced frenzy...

 

[Rosie_Riveter]

You want labels? I gotcher labels.

Mine are: queer, dyke, gay, lesbian, submissive, slave, hearing, freak, dork, geek, introvert, student, transfer student, returning student, commuter student, modified, addict, ADHD, immune disorder, traveler, role model, ailurophile, xyrophobe, brunette...

That's just 24 of them. And yet every single one is a handy way to describe me or put me into a category. They're a good way to give others preconceived notions about me so they know who they're dealing with. That's what labels are for. To communicate to others who you are so they can respond accordingly. "Oh, you're a transfer student? How many years do you have left?" (Well, four actually, even though I'm a sophomore, but gee thanks for asking.)

Oh, and I could TOTALLY have had this entire conversation in this thread with the topic being "deaf vs. Deaf" instead of "sub vs. submissive" - TOTALLY.

Nice post! And yeah, I can imagine the deaf vs. Deaf conversation.

 

[rida]

tiny highjack ...

.......

Still, labels are akin to shrinking down your existence to fit on a business card. Ick.

I have been musing with the idea of making myself a business card that says only :

xyz at yahoo dot com [have not decided the nick for xyz yet ...]




end of highjack

 

[Homburg]

tiny highjack ...



I have been musing with the idea of making myself a business card that says only :

xyz at yahoo dot com [have not decided the nick for xyz yet ...]




end of highjack

I've basically done that.

HOMBURG
We learn the rope of life by untying its' knots.
-Jean Toomer

Rope Top
xxx-xxx-xxxx
homburg's@email.address

I've thought about a second version that doesn't have the phone number. Right now, this card is only going to friends and possibly rope bunnies.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I think you're right... and yes, I think she did mean to differentiate from slave, and didn't know how to ask the question propery, since I didn't understand what she was saying in the first place...

You are one of the few people who actually read and tried to understand what I was asking... and had no idea people would turn this question into me telling people anything...

Why thank you hon, I usually avoid debates on semantics and syntax because the whole anally-retentiveness of it all bores me to tears.

GENERAL QUESTION~

I thought the whole point of a label is to classify ourselves(for ourselves or others), find people like us or compatible mates... and if we wanted, diffrentiate us from the cookie cutter masses that shun diffrence and allows us to find each other in the sea of faces...

Then if a label is ment to classify of explain us, then it should have a universal meaning for the most part, so it can actually do that...

If we have a million people, and each have a label for themself, and those million labels all have diffrent meanings (even those that use the same word) What's the point in using labels?

I don't like labels... and I am thinking this kind of thing is part of the reason.

I think that the difference is that hetero-nilla people see no need to define their sexuality because it's the accepted 'norm.' Because kinksters/homos/trans people have broken away from it, their sexuality becomes something that defines an intrinsic part of themselves. That makes it highly personal.

BDSM is often referred to as a 'spectrum' in that it covers a whole plethora of sexual activity and dynamics but people only take from the spectrum the kinks that personally define their sexuality. This makes it very hard to pin simple labels onto people.

Labels are a little redundant here because this forum is one of the few places people can go and say x, y and z comprise my sexual dynamic. People who come here have often had enough of over-simplistic blanket titles.

Just MHO

 

[Adakgirl]

I prefer old school protocol in using BDSM nomenclature. A submissive is just that, a submissive.
Using abbreviations like sub/subbie de-valuate that very important name in my book. It is not a label, it is a description of a certain type of person.
In my profession, we use the term "sub" as short for sub-contractor, we "sub" work out to other contractors who have the skills to perform that work. Has not a thing to do with the word submissive. I believe that using the word submissive shows respect for yourself, if you are one, and respect for all submissives in general, no matter what you are.

 

[unfoundiamond]

Wow...

Thanks AGirl...

I see how people might not enjoy sharing the title with all the other the abbreviations of sub, the way sub can mean substitute, and that's not a good connotation.

I know I say this all the time but I love to see what people think...

I wish people had windows in their foreheads so I could see everyone thoughts...

Ttyl