Subs . . .

[sunfox]

for some, Dominating or submitting could simply be about their sexual wiring, their sexual personality. and that's as far as it goes. however what i think many don't realize (or wish to accept) is that for some of us, being Dominant or submissive is not who we are in the bedroom, but who we are...period.

Now, I'm not really sure what a question of whether or not you're a 'real' Dominant or submissive by someone's definition has to do with voting for yourself.

But that said... I think it's fairly obvious, in my humble (or not quite so humble, he says from the other side of the room) opinion, that the majority of people here aren't playing a role. Regardless of what portion of their life is taken up with what would be seen by the general populace as D/s, most of us have realized that our Dominance or submission is a part of our lives and our personal wiring, for better or for worse, no matter who we are with, or what we do in the bedroom.

My submission is a part of me.. in some ways, it is all of me, and forms every part of my decisions, every day.

My two year old sometimes needs to be told 'Do this, because I say so'.. with no explanation or reason, because she is not capable of making some decisions on her own at this point in her life. But I do not, and I feel something as important as my vote deserves more consideration. I do my own research, and make my own decision based upon what I believe to be the proper choice. My pyl recognizes and respects this about me, and doesn't think any less of me as a submissive because of it.

My two cents.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Exactly on point

Every Dom I have been involved with was attracted to my intelligence, as well as other aspects of my personality. If they had not been, we would never have been involved in the first place.

I'm as real-a-deal as others here say they are.

 

[MissTaken]

Thanks Chris, for clarifying.



It made more sense the second time around!

 

[MissTaken]

Re: Exactly on point

Every Dom I have been involved with was attracted to my intelligence, as well as other aspects of my personality. If they had not been, we would never have been involved in the first place.

I'm as real-a-deal as others here say they are.

 

[incubus'_sub]

Of course I understand & accept the different levels of ownership that exist in our world. To each his own way.

What I don't understand or accept, although I'm aware that it happens, are subs/slaves who really believe that they have to become lobotomised robots to serve their Masters properly.

 

[A Desert Rose]

... What I don't understand or accept, although I'm aware that it happens, are subs/slaves who really believe that they have to become lobotomised robots to serve their Masters properly.

And to then determine that the "rest of us" are only submissive in the bedroom. (if I used them, I would now be inserting a rolly eyed emoticon.)

 

[graceanne]

So if someone votes, or pays attention to politics that automatically makes them inteligent?

Let me ask you something else. Do all intelligent people vote?

 

[A Desert Rose]

So if someone votes, or pays attention to politics that automatically makes them inteligent?

Let me ask you something else. Do all intelligent people vote?

That's a bit subjective, I'd say. Who determines who is intelligent enough to vote and who is not?

I only know I am. I'm not going to decide that about anyone else.

 

[graceanne]

That's a bit subjective, I'd say. Who determines who is intelligent enough to vote and who is not?

I only know I am. I'm not going to decide that about anyone else.

That's not what my point it. My point is that just because someone votes doesn't make them intelligant. And just because someone doesn't vote, doesn't make them dumb.

 

[incubus'_sub]

Well, they do in Australia, but then so do all the fools, it's illegal not to over here.

The voting in itself is not the issue here. The issue is the right to think & act for one's self, or maybe perhaps the issue is really why anyone would want to give up the right to think, or think that it's a necessity for a sub/slave to do so.

 

[A Desert Rose]

That's not what my point it. My point is that just because someone votes doesn't make them intelligant. And just because someone doesn't vote, doesn't make them dumb.

Okay then, why didn't you just say that? Why ask anyone to make a determination about a voters intelligence or lack of it?

 

[sunfox]

And to then determine that the "rest of us" are only submissive in the bedroom. (if I used them, I would now be inserting a rolly eyed emoticon.)

Let me do that for you.. cause at this moment, I'm definitely feeling a roll eyes coming on.



Already, I feel better.

I don't think that everyone who votes is intelligent, or that the opposite is true of those who do not. I think letting someone determine who -I- will vote for would be unjustified... regardless of how I trust him, and respect him.

The simple fact is, it is MY vote. If I am not making it, as my own choice, I shouldn't vote at all... because that's not me voting, it's him. That, to me, is fradulent, and rather makes a mockery of voting in the first place.

 

[dolf]

i think political debate within a relationship is a great thing...any PYL should be proud that thier ply has brains enough not to give over deeply held beliefs without good reason.
xx

 

[A Desert Rose]

Let me do that for you.. cause at this moment, I'm definitely feeling a roll eyes coming on.



Already, I feel better.

I don't think that everyone who votes is intelligent, or that the opposite is true of those who do not. I think letting someone determine who -I- will vote for would be unjustified... regardless of how I trust him, and respect him.

The simple fact is, it is MY vote. If I am not making it, as my own choice, I shouldn't vote at all... because that's not me voting, it's him. That, to me, is fradulent, and rather makes a mockery of voting in the first place.

LOL thank you. I wouldn't mind a bit if you would insert that for me more often. ;-)

 

[sunfox]

LOL thank you. I wouldn't mind a bit if you would insert that for me more often. ;-)

Anytime.

 

[graceanne]

Okay then, why didn't you just say that? Why ask anyone to make a determination about a voters intelligence or lack of it?

Because I'm feeling that you all think that those who don't vote, or who let their PYL tell them how to vote are a)not very bright, or b) that their PYL doesn't respect their intelligence. Me and K talk about politics, we discuss it, but it still comes down to my trusting him about all of this, because I know he has a better understanding of what's going on, and that we have the same beliefs.

And I also want to say that I don't think that just because you decide how you're going to vote, that means you all are just 'bedroom subs'. I guarantee that there are things in my life that other subs would think weren't submissive.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Well, you are way off base, as far as I'm concerned, at least.

 

[dolf]

*attempting to calm this down*
each to their own. i guess that if you felt he was wrong in his thinking and reasoning you'd stand your ground. very brave of you to bring the subject up, i've enjoyed listening to peoples thoughts on the matter.
xx

 

[graceanne]

Well, you are way off base, as far as I'm concerned, at least.

I totally was not trying to attack anyone. I was asking in general to the room. If you felt that I was attacking you, I sincerely apologize, cause I wasn't.

 

[sunfox]

I totally was not trying to attack anyone. I was asking in general to the room. If you felt that I was attacking you, I sincerely apologize, cause I wasn't.

I don't get the feeling that ADR thinks you were attacking her. I think what she means, and I agree for the record, is that you are off base on your reading of what those of us in disagreement think about those who vote as their pyl tells them to.

My personal view is nothing to do with intelligence... it's to do with it being wrong. It would feel wrong to me to essentially vote a second time for him. If I'm going to vote, I have an obligation to make it -my- vote, not his.

That's what I'm saying. Not that I think you're stupid for doing it.. just that it feels wrong to me to do so.

 

[graceanne]

Then, once again, I apologize. I admit that I could be off base, and maybe seeing into this something that's not there. It's rare, but I am occasionally wrong. And it's late, and I'm not feeling good. All those together can combine to make me paranoid.

 

[ownedsubgal]

Now, I'm not really sure what a question of whether or not you're a 'real' Dominant or submissive by someone's definition has to do with voting for yourself.

But that said... I think it's fairly obvious, in my humble (or not quite so humble, he says from the other side of the room) opinion, that the majority of people here aren't playing a role. Regardless of what portion of their life is taken up with what would be seen by the general populace as D/s, most of us have realized that our Dominance or submission is a part of our lives and our personal wiring, for better or for worse, no matter who we are with, or what we do in the bedroom.

My submission is a part of me.. in some ways, it is all of me, and forms every part of my decisions, every day.

My two year old sometimes needs to be told 'Do this, because I say so'.. with no explanation or reason, because she is not capable of making some decisions on her own at this point in her life. But I do not, and I feel something as important as my vote deserves more consideration. I do my own research, and make my own decision based upon what I believe to be the proper choice. My pyl recognizes and respects this about me, and doesn't think any less of me as a submissive because of it.

My two cents.

sunfox, that paragraph you quoted from me actually had nothing to do with the voting issue, but was in response to another poster who made the comment that some of us "take the whole B&D thing too far", and that their sexual wiring did not define who they are. so i felt the need to point out that for some of us, this IS who we are, and not a sex thing....that is all.

whether or not a submissive votes for themselves, or votes as their Dominant/Master wishes them to vote, is up to each individual relationship. in our union, i vote as he tells me to vote, because i'm a slave. maybe if i weren't property, and just his submissive, i would simply ask his opinion on it and in the end probably vote as i wished to in my heart.

 

[sunfox]

sunfox, that paragraph you quoted from me actually had nothing to do with the voting issue, but was in response to another poster who made the comment that some of us "take the whole B&D thing too far", and that their sexual wiring did not define who they are. so i felt the need to point out that for some of us, this IS who we are, and not a sex thing....that is all.

I've remarked upon this already today, but honestly, at times it feels rather as if you feel that you are superior to everyone on this board because of the totality of your relationship. I don't really think it's necessary to keep pointing out that it's not just about sex for you.. or for anyone else for that matter.

If for someone else, D/s isn't their entire life.. it's just sexual.. well, so what? I don't really care in the least. That's them, and not me.. and it's not my problem. I don't need to convert them, and I don't need to explain myself. I am what I am, and it suits me.

That said... I don't disagree that in your case, I can understand why you vote as your Master says. Or in any similar case. All I'm saying with my position is that it feels fradulent to me to vote as someone else tells me.. and I'm not comfortable with that, and never would be.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I don't get the feeling that ADR thinks you were attacking her. I think what she means, and I agree for the record, is that you are off base on your reading of what those of us in disagreement think about those who vote as their pyl tells them to.

My personal view is nothing to do with intelligence... it's to do with it being wrong. It would feel wrong to me to essentially vote a second time for him. If I'm going to vote, I have an obligation to make it -my- vote, not his.

That's what I'm saying. Not that I think you're stupid for doing it.. just that it feels wrong to me to do so.

Thank you. You have it about right, sunfox.

I am really sick of people who condescend to me because I don't live a 24/7 slave lifestyle and therefore I am less of a submissive than they are.

I have never patronized or condescended to anyone here who lives a different way from how I live. I have never made a comment about someone who licks their Master's ass clean after He shits. (although, as a nurse, I know all the health hazards involved in doing such an unsavory activity. and I highly doubt that anyone REALLY does do that.)

You live life as it works for you. I live mine as it works for me. It has more to do with wether I am told how to vote or if I choose to vote for myself.

No one here has the right to question or degrade my submission. I don't do it to them.

But I might just start.

 

[tythisredheadup]

In my most humble opinion...

Not to be rude, but

IF VOTING CHANGED ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL.

Now back to scheduled thread.