Subs . . .

[Desdemona]

Thank you. You have it about right, sunfox.

I am really sick of people who condescend to me because I don't live a 24/7 slave lifestyle and therefore I am less of a submissive than they are.

I have never patronized or condescended to anyone here who lives a different way from how I live. I have never made a comment about someone who licks their Master's ass clean after He shits. (although, as a nurse, I know all the health hazards involved in doing such an unsavory activity. and I highly doubt that anyone REALLY does do that.)

You live life as it works for you. I live mine as it works for me. It has more to do with wether I am told how to vote or if I choose to vote for myself.

No one here has the right to question or degrade my submission. I don't do it to them.

But I might just start.

God, girlie, you are such a nurse! (takes one to know one, I know.)

As to the question at hand.... I'm laughing at the thought of any dominant that I'd be with telling me how to vote. I have my own opinions and I wouldn't be with anyone who disagreed with me on important issues or who tried to direct me on matters of concience. I'm an adult. My values are already formed. I don't give those rights away to anyone. That has nothing to do with my submission or whether or not I'm naturally submissive. It has to do with my rights as a human being and a citizen.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I take my politics seriously and am passionate about them more than most things....for that reason I knew I needed a Dominant who also saw politics as important, knew what he was talking about, and shared a similar view as I otherwise it would have been hell for both of us. Guess it is just one of those things I think for us largely makes us who we are to the core. Fortunately, as he shares a similar view and passion we don't have issues with how I vote, nor given his own views do I think he would exercise his right to order me to vote in a particular way.

Catalina

 

[TigerClaw]

Oh good question.....

I dont know if I want that much control. Is this still D/s or is this M/s realm? I would have to say I dont want that much control. It has some appeal but I want her to have her own opinion on this and many other things as well. Submission does not mean she has no opinion to me. Submission means she will yeild. I dont want that much yeilding.

Ok, I was thinking about this while I was running errands today. The voting season is coming up. I personally am going to do what I always do, vote how K tells me to. So, to those of you who are attached, do you vote how your PYL tells you? Or is that something that you maintain your independance on?

 

[TigerClaw]

OK

Ive read the WHOLE Freakin thread.

So many good points have been made here. The lifestyle calls for a sub to be submisive and a slave to give up everything. By that rule they can (a sub) or should (a slave) have their votes controlled.

That is Illegal. Everyone has their OWN vote. I just had to point that out and cause more madness and mayhem.

I am sure this has been going on with husbands an wives for decades. We all see our votes being pursuaded by groups, companies etc. Some outright telling us we should vote for so and so becuase it is better for our group. But is it really better for you?

As a Dom I Dont Want That Control. More importantly from it being right or wrong, legal or illegal is the fact I want a sub who has her own mind. I want her to willingly submit to me but not on everything in our lives. In general I want a submissive woman. A sub can disagree submissively. Think about it.

Oh, btw subs can say, "No". Slaves (dont know as much as I should about slaves) I imagine cant but then we get back into the legal stuff here.

Dare I cause more madness and mayhem?

Oh, I have to.

What stops a sub\Slave from changing their vote in the Private voting booth other then their desire to please?

No one would know the difference.

 

[Kajira Callista]

As owned property why would a person even register to vote?









for ADR love ya dolly.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

As owned property why would a person even register to vote?









for ADR love ya dolly.

Ummm... because their Master told them to?

 

[ownedsubgal]

As owned property why would a person even register to vote?









for ADR love ya dolly.

KC, perhaps because their Master told/wished them to register? the owner of a slave can in effect vote twice.

 

[Kajira Callista]

KC, perhaps because their Master told/wished them to register? the owner of a slave can in effect vote twice.

and that is illegal isnt it?

 

[shy slave]

I think lots of dumb people wote, just as lots of intelligent people don't bother~and vic versa.

The outcome of the US vote has never seemed to cause such an interest amongst non-political people in the UK as it does at the moment.

It appears its because the US outcome is tied up with our current Prime Minister and the Gulf War.

I have no idea how He votes nor has he asked me.

Although we have not been together during a UK election so it will be interesting when that comes around
(I will have to bookmark this thread to resurrect at that time)

Voting is private, unlike 99.9% of actvities.

As TigerClaw said:
What stops a sub\Slave from changing their vote in the Private voting booth other then their desire to please?

No one would know the difference.

Trust & guilt could be strong motivational factors that would stop them.

I am curious to know if anyone has actually done as TigerClaw suggests.

If someone has voted differently or deliberaelty ruined the voting paper havwe they ever 'owned up' to theri PYL

Now an about face question:
Several people on here have said they are loved (as a pyl) or love their pyl for their mind as well as everything else.
If a pyl was politically informed and had a compeeling arguement for their political views has a PYL ever been persuaded by such discussions to vote contrary to what they may have doen. If so have they told the pyl of this change of mind?

 

[A Desert Rose]

Shy... this is no reflection on you or your previous post but here goes...

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[Justina123]

There's nothing illegal about trying to get another person to vote the way you say. It is called campaigning.

When push comes to shove, each person enters the voting booth solo, so isn't it a matter of consience if a sub or slave votes the way their Dom or Master tells them to?

justina

 

[ownedsubgal]

and that is illegal isnt it?

no, last time i checked it was perfectly legal for two people to vote alike. stop reaching.

 

[Kajira Callista]

no, last time i checked it was perfectly legal for two people to vote alike. stop reaching.

reaching for what sweetpea...you posted the comment not i.

 

[sunfox]

There's nothing illegal about trying to get another person to vote the way you say. It is called campaigning.

When push comes to shove, each person enters the voting booth solo, so isn't it a matter of consience if a sub or slave votes the way their Dom or Master tells them to?

justina

It's true that there's nothing illegal about trying to -convince- someone to vote the way you'd like.

That's entirely different from ordering/compelling/forcing someone to vote your way. That's called blackmail. Or voter fraud.

 

[TigerClaw]

Now an about face question:
Several people on here have said they are loved (as a pyl) or love their pyl for their mind as well as everything else.
If a pyl was politically informed and had a compeeling arguement for their political views has a PYL ever been persuaded by such discussions to vote contrary to what they may have doen. If so have they told the pyl of this change of mind? I would love such a debate with a sub or anyone else for that matter. I knew one lady who was very submissive. Not a sub mind you. Though Id love to try now that i am available. She could banter back and forth. Whether it was false opposition or her true thoughts. It was very intriguing. I had a conversation last week with a coworker who almost had me pursuaded to change my vote. I took the time to read up on some of the things he said and other things I felt were important. It solidified my vote for who I wanted. Had that been my sub and not a male coworker I would have enjoyed the thought provoking conversation very much. Guess this proves I go for the Analytical sub, eh?

 

[TigerClaw]

no, last time i checked it was perfectly legal for two people to vote alike. stop reaching.

Yes, it is illegal to change someones vote. By telling someone to vote and having retribution if they dont vote that way is tanpering.

It is not illegal to convince, debate, talk, pursuade someone to vote your way.

Now, how does that apply to D/s and M/s. D/s I have stated my views on. As for M/s, well that is up to those that follow that path. Is my turning a blind eye to a M telling a S to vote a certain way and the s doing it illegal?

Interesting, huh?

 

[s'lara]

Ok, I was thinking about this while I was running errands today. The voting season is coming up. I personally am going to do what I always do, vote how K tells me to. So, to those of you who are attached, do you vote how your PYL tells you? Or is that something that you maintain your independance on?

In unions where complete ownership of another is assumed and accepted, then the actions of that property may also governed by the Owner. While the Owner may not choose to control the political opinions/choices of their property, it is certainly within their rights to do so in the type of union i described.

i don't believe i could be happy with having control extend to my political viewpoint, but that's me. i also don't believe that being owned obviates the sub's ability to have an opinion on politics nor should it remove the sub's responsibility to make an informed vote when the time comes. To have no personal rights does not naturally equate to the removal of independent thought. In addition, to have independnt thought does not lessen or contradict the submissive trait.

Whatever the case, the type of control which extends to the influence/alteration of political choices is entirely up to the parties involved, legalities aside.

lara

 

[Netzach]

I live in the fucking U S of A. People died over this one. Lots of people.

I may believe in D/s but I'm sorry I also believe in the principles of democracy, one person one vote their business.

Because I happen to be fucking that person, because I happen to be in love with that person, because that person serves me, we're still dealing with that same mindset, I didn't take a boat to fantasy island simply because I wear the pants.

AND after all this, I am on the coast 2 days before election (death in the family) with no hope of getting an absentee ballot in time....goddamn it! I'd *like* to be able to make my slave boy vote for me again!

Our politics are similar, I'm more informed and I rail and rant about issues, I probably do influence his vote, but ordain it? No.

 

[sunfox]

Excellent post, Netzach.

Condolences on the loss in the family.

 

[Netzach]

OT reply

thank you, I am moving on from the first stage of grief to the oh fuck I am trapped in an apartment with my extended family stage, they don't list that in the grief books.

lit fix is a good mental outing.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

My sympathies as well, Netzach. I hope that knowing you have friends here who feel for and understand your loss in some small way helps you to bear it.

 

[fyrehardt]

Ok....now...i don't really know how my arrangement compares to most peoples'...but i can't imagine Sir telling me who to vote for at all...simply because, although He does have Dominance over me, He does not have Control over me....very rarely do i do anything without discussing it with Him first, and if He has a reason for me to do or not do something, He will bring up His reasons and concerns...and usually His reasoning is sound...i am not a child who is told things "Because I said so"....as far as i can recall W/we haven't even discussed the upcoming election in any more than a "*sigh* another year, another round of bullshit" sense...He would not tell me whether to vote or not because that is a decision that does not impact U/us in any specific way....

*shrugs* just my 2 cents on the topic...

 

[catalina_francisco]

Re: OT reply

thank you, I am moving on from the first stage of grief to the oh fuck I am trapped in an apartment with my extended family stage, they don't list that in the grief books.

lit fix is a good mental outing.

Condolences Netzach....and yes, Lit is good for tuning out of that particular situation even if just for awhile.

Catalina

 

[TigerClaw]

I am sorry for your loss. Cherish the good times you had together.

 

[pandoravampire]

Hello all.
Ive been bouncing and colliding around my journey as ive struggled to make sense of me.
Ive just started a real life relationship that is D/s. I would dearly like to join a forum specifically for submissives. My first thought is that i know so little and have so far to go.
Does anyone know of a good site, that can help with questions, information, and sharing from others?
I do not want chat rooms, porn etc, and this is the calibre of what i have found so far.
I also do not feel comfortable entering a site run by a Dom called Lord up my own arse or something.
And secondly, journals i wish to do this, but on line. How have others set this up. Im not the most pc literate of persons, but manage ok-ish. Though having to get better rather rapidly i find

I would much appreciate any suggestions. As i struggle a little with coming to terms with who i seem to be. I mean that with no disrespect at all.